#transformers joke

in IDW1 Arcee is 12 million years old, making her older than most of the cast, around not long after the end of peaceful free utopian transformer society due to the God War that almost everyone lost memory of. She grew up as a gladiator (not by choice) alongside her twin brother Galvatron in Protohex, during the squabbling authoritarian primacies that fought each other until the alliance of the Thirteen formed from multiple factions, Megatronus's army having freed her and her brother and the two having joined that military and stayed on as warriors of the Thirteen until Arcee couldn't bear the colonial conquests anymore (her brother was not of the same opinion).

Ratchet in the Aligned hardcover text variation of Alpha Trions The Covenant of Primus is presented as a bot who, iirc, was scrawling out geometry on the ground and lived in a cave at the dawn of time in a period of relative equality, back before the Quintessons colonized Cybertron and introduced the carceral state, police forces, and a bioessentialist hierarchy of alt modes