#tollien

Hear me out: what do we know of Isildur's end? From the Unfinished Tales we know he disappeared with the Elendilmir and the One Ring from an orc attack somewhere on the east side of the Anduin, his armour was found on the east shore and the Elendilmir in Isengard in a locked room. Aragorn deduces that he got rid of the armour to swim through the river, lost the ring, was - now visible - shot by orcs and his corps was then found and discarded of by Saruman. That's obviously speculation on Aragorn's part and I find it not very convincing. What do we know for certain of Gollum's origin? Absolutely nothing. The only thing we learn is what Gandalf tells us he deduced from what he tortured out of Gollum. The whole thing about Smeagol and Deagol, the birthday, and the matriach leading that group of pre-hobbits seem strange details for Gollum to share, or even remember, and I would rather be convinced that Gandalf made it all up for the fun of it, or Gollum made it all up in loneliness. Why did Gandalf even torture Gollum for this information? Other than Smeagol's name, nothing was ever relevant to the story, and none of this was information Gandalf needed to know. Why did he see himself forced to resort to torture? I'd rather believe that he wanted relevant information, basically got none, and then extrapolated a lot from whatever nonsense Gollum sprouted.

so i found my llord of the rings soundtrack.... by nebezial