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Hi, I love your work. I'm struggling to word this question properly, but do you think that when Tywin committed atrocities like what happened at Castamere, he saw that as a way to win approval from Joanna?
I donāt think Tywin committed atrocities as a way to win Joannaās approval exactly, but I think Joanna approved. I think Tywin committed atrocities because thatās who he is, because thatās what he felt needed to be done. Joanna liking it is more of a bonus, less of a motivator imo.
Hey, I'm that video editor that asked for your Tywin-Joanna fancast and I'm working on an edit with Regbo and Wilde now. (By the way, thank you so much for the help.) Anyways, it's going quite well but I've tried five different songs by now and still don't think any of them really fit Tywin and Joanna. Do you know any songs that might suit them? Sorry for bothering you but I really do consider you the captain of this ship: )
Hi, good to hear from you again, Iām happy to help! Please, youāre not a bother! Iām excited for this project!
I have to say that Iām not very good at picking out songs tho!Ā
I am the walking embodiment of that popular text post,Ā āEvery song is an OTP song if youāre trying hard enough.āĀ
For example, one of the songs Iāve been listening to recently isĀ āIn the Silenceā by JP Cooper, and the lyrics donāt fit perfectlyĀ but I like it:
And though I never said it with wordsThere was love in the silenceEven now after all of these yearsYouāre the light in my darknessDarling please, listen close and youāll hearThereās still love in the silenceEven nowā¦
I donāt think that Tywin is the kind of person who would constantly be saying ILU, I think Tywin is more likely to express love by actions. Giving Jaime swords, giving Cersei a crown, giving Joanna the hope diamond and a pile of dead bodies. That kind of thing. Which I think can become frustrating if youāre on the receiving end.Ā
One of the songs that I really like right now for Tywin/Joanna is Leonard Cohenās If I Didnāt Have Your Love
If the sun would lose its lightAnd we lived an endless nightAnd there was nothing leftThat you could feelIf the sea were sand aloneAnd the flowers made of stoneAnd no one that you hurtCould ever healWell thatās how broken I would beWhat my life would seem to meIf I didnāt have your loveTo make it real
But I donāt know if that song is going to match the images in your video? Like, what mood are you going for? What scene or scenes are you trying to show?Ā
I have a tag for Tywin/Joanna fanmixes, if that might help?Ā
http://joannalannister.tumblr.com/tagged/tjfanmix
Maybe one of the songs here might fit your video?Ā
Iām sorry, I donāt know if Iām being very helpful :((((( Itās just hard for me to say without seeing the video.Ā
If other people have song recs, maybe they could add them in the notes to this post for the anon?
(2/2) so here's a question i've been curious about: if you had to pick your top three favorite qualities of tywin and joanna, what would they be? (i know choosing just three is hard!!! but i'm certainly interested in your answers!) hope you're having a nice weekend! xoxo
FATHER Vincent, you... were not... born... like other children You... you... ripped your way out of your mother's body. Ā There was nothing I could do... (weeping) Dear God, there was nothing I could do...
63. INT. - FATHER'S CHAMBER Father and Vincent stand inches apart. FATHER Do you think it was easy for me? You can't know the price I paid... [...] Vincent rips free of Father [...]. Each word is a body blow. FATHER For years afterward, I could see her face... sometimes, when I pass through the Chamber of the Winds, I can hear it still... the screaming, and the... the sound you made as you... tore your way into the world. Vincent's [...] sick with horror. VINCENT Stop it! Ā Stop it! FATHER You have to hear.
āGeorge R.R. Martin, Beauty and the Beast (1987), 2x21: āCeremony of Innocenceā
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Hi! Idk if you ve answered this before, but how long were J/T married?. & how old was Tywin when Joanna died?
Tywin and Joanna were married for about 10 years. (Itās unclear whether they had already celebrated their 10th wedding anniversary before Joannaās death, but I like to think they did.)Ā
Tywin was about 31. He may have only been 30, depending on whether heād already celebrated his birthday or not, but anyways, Tywin turned 31 in 273, the year Tyrion was born. tbh I like to imagine Tywin celebrated his 31st birthday alone; thatās a very young age to face the rest of your life alone. Joanna was no older than 28, btw, and may have been younger :(
hi!! sorry to bother you, but is Elizabeth of York / Henry VII supposed to represent Tywin / Joanna? thank you for your time!
Hello! Are you asking, did GRRM deliberately set up a parallel between Elizabeth of York / Henry VII? Not to my knowledge.Ā
Based on his responses to interview questions in 2012, I donāt believe GRRM had given much thought to Tywin & Joanna at all prior to The World of Ice and Fire. GRRM describes himself as aĀ āgardenerā type of writer rather than anĀ āarchitectā type of writer, so, paraphrasing his own words, he doesnāt name a mountain range until he crosses it.Ā
I donāt think GRRM thought very much about Tywin & Joannaās relationship until he got to it in the World Book, and even then, the bookās emphasis on male characters means itās all mostly about Tywin, with very little information about Joanna. I donāt think you could make a strong case that Joanna Lannister in the text parallels any particular historical figure because GRRM hasnāt really bothered to write Joanna in the text. Much of the discussion about Joanna Lannister is fanon, aside from whether or not she was raped (thank you so much,Ā GRRM). Itās fanon that I will literally fight people to the death over, but itās still ~80% fanon.Ā
The story of Manās Beloved Wife Dies, Man Becomes Hard(er) And Cruel(er) isnāt exactly rare. That describes Henry VII in this post, Tywin Lannister, the origin story for the beast in La Belle et La Bete (2014), and the origin story for Dracula in Dracula Untold.Ā
So no, I donāt think GRRM meant for Tywinās relationship with his wife to parallel any famous historical relationship. Not when GRRM didnāt bother to fully flesh out half the relationship. (I would be more than happy to be proven wrong here, Mr. Martin!)
But were you asking instead, does Elizabeth of York / Henry Tudor remind me, personally, of Tywin/Joanna?Ā
Because my answer to that is, sort of? Not really?Ā
Both men obviously loved their wives very much, and I imagine there are similarities in how Henry VII and Tywin reacted to their wives deaths (click here), but their stories are very different. I donāt think Henry Tudor murdered two whole Houses at 19, for example. And I donāt think Joanna Lannister was a nice person, whereas this postĀ describes Elizabeth of York as a good and kind person.Ā
Joanna is the late wife and cousin of Lord Tywin Lannister -- and a woman he dearly loved. As a maiden, she served as a companion to Princess Rhaella, and there became acquainted with the future Princess of Dorne. According to Ser Barristan Selmy, Aerys Targaryen was quite taken with Joanna in his youth. At her marriage to Tywin, he became drunk and remarked that it was a pity the lord's right to first night had been abolished, then proceeded to take certain liberties with Joanna during the bedding ceremony. It's said she ruled Lord Tywin as he ruled the realm as Hand, and he greatly mourned her when she died while delivering Tyrion Lannister.
A World of Ice and FireĀ app
Some things to note:
"As a maiden, she served as a companion to Princess Rhaella": if you think Aerys had sex with child!Joanna, you're kidding yourself.
"acquainted with the future Princess of Dorne": the Unnamed Princess of Dorne was not yet the ruler of Dorne during the War of the Ninepenny Kings.Ā