hi!! sorry to bother you, but is Elizabeth of York / Henry VII supposed to represent Tywin / Joanna? thank you for your time!
Hello! Are you asking, did GRRM deliberately set up a parallel between Elizabeth of York / Henry VII? Not to my knowledge.Â
Based on his responses to interview questions in 2012, I donât believe GRRM had given much thought to Tywin & Joanna at all prior to The World of Ice and Fire. GRRM describes himself as a âgardenerâ type of writer rather than an âarchitectâ type of writer, so, paraphrasing his own words, he doesnât name a mountain range until he crosses it.Â
I donât think GRRM thought very much about Tywin & Joannaâs relationship until he got to it in the World Book, and even then, the bookâs emphasis on male characters means itâs all mostly about Tywin, with very little information about Joanna. I donât think you could make a strong case that Joanna Lannister in the text parallels any particular historical figure because GRRM hasnât really bothered to write Joanna in the text. Much of the discussion about Joanna Lannister is fanon, aside from whether or not she was raped (thank you so much, GRRM). Itâs fanon that I will literally fight people to the death over, but itâs still ~80% fanon.Â
The story of Manâs Beloved Wife Dies, Man Becomes Hard(er) And Cruel(er) isnât exactly rare. That describes Henry VII in this post, Tywin Lannister, the origin story for the beast in La Belle et La Bete (2014), and the origin story for Dracula in Dracula Untold.Â
So no, I donât think GRRM meant for Tywinâs relationship with his wife to parallel any famous historical relationship. Not when GRRM didnât bother to fully flesh out half the relationship. (I would be more than happy to be proven wrong here, Mr. Martin!)
But were you asking instead, does Elizabeth of York / Henry Tudor remind me, personally, of Tywin/Joanna?Â
Because my answer to that is, sort of? Not really?Â
Both men obviously loved their wives very much, and I imagine there are similarities in how Henry VII and Tywin reacted to their wives deaths (click here), but their stories are very different. I donât think Henry Tudor murdered two whole Houses at 19, for example. And I donât think Joanna Lannister was a nice person, whereas this post describes Elizabeth of York as a good and kind person.Â