Is it possible to watch the darker than black commentary because there’s always denied access
Hey! Yes, you can still watch the commentaries. I didn't realize that the links were out of date, but I did get the requests from some of you guys to watch them and approved those this morning. I'm going to update the links when I have a chance over the next few days, so hopefully you won't have to make a request next time :)
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What do you think the next day in school was like for all the characters including Vernon and Carl?
Well, here's my idea of what happened to the five kids on Monday.
As for Vernon, I assume he woke up that morning and, after spending the weekend pondering his behavior, he tried to clean up his act. However, only fifteen minutes after he arrived at school, he probably ended up yelling at some slacker kid. And he concluded, "My behavior is perfectly acceptable. There's nothing I need to change. It's these kids that need to change." But later in the day he might've spotted two of the kids walking together in the hallway. And that prompted him to realize, once and for all, that he truly needed to change.
As for Carl, he probably went about his day as usual. Maybe feeling a little more accomplished than usual. Maybe respecting the kids' privacy a little bit more... not to say he was all that nosy before. And maybe one of the kids exchanged a smile with him in the hallway - probably Bender.
Do you think the "I don't like Mondays" scratched graffiti means something? Like, reference to how much it hurt on Monday when they didn't stay The Breakfast Club? Or the nervous anticipation before they found out of they were still alright with each other on Monday? Is there some kind of significance there
I always assumed that it simply represented the aversion teenagers have to school. I never looked at it as a reference to the next Monday, but that's very observant! Technically, it stemmed from this:
"This refers to a school shooting in 1979 committed by 16-year-old Brenda Spencer. Brenda's father gave her a rifle for Christmas in 1978. On January 29th, 1979, she used her new rifle to shoot 10 children and staff at Clevelend Elementary School in San Diego, California. The school was across the street from her house, where she was during the incident. She killed the school's principal and one of the custodians, and injured 8 children. After 6 hours, she was apprehended by police. When asked why she did it, she said "I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day." As for selecting her targets, she said "I like red and blue jackets." As of April, 2009, she is serving a life sentence, and has been denied parole 4 times. At her 2005 parole hearing, she claimed that her father had sexually abused her as a child, and that she was drunk and on PCP at the time of the shooting. According to her, the authorities and her attorney conspired to hide the drug test results. As for remorse, she said at the time "I had no reason for it, and it was just a lot of fun", "It was just like shooting ducks in a pond", and "[The children] looked like a herd of cows standing around; it was really easy pickings." The incident and Spencer's lack of remorse also inspired the Boomtown Rats' hit "I Don't Like Mondays"."
Do you know why they titled it "the breakfast club, or what tbc means? I've always been curious
Yep! The son of a friend of John Hughes attended New Trier High School around the time of production and the son told Hughes that when a kid got morning detention at New Trier, he or she was deemed a member of "the breakfast club." The students probably got the name from America’s longest running radio broadcast show, which aired in Chicago (where the movie took place and where New Trier was located). Obviously, in the film, Hughes switched this to Saturday detention. And I don't know if you're asking what "TBC" means, but if you are, it's just the initials of The Breakfast Club! :)
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What do you think would have been the positives and negatives of each deleted scene ?
Oh wow! Okay, here goes.
I already know this will be an extremely long post, so I’ll put it under a read more.
1. After the kids sneak out of the library, they pass the faculty lounge. Mr. Vernon is at the coke machine. He loses his money and starts kicking the machine. The kids carefully walk past the open door unnoticed. Allison, however, pauses in the doorway. Claire says to the rest, “She’s nuts, but she’s cool."
Hm. Considering this happened before the confession scene, the relationship between Claire and Allison might’ve confused the audience. How can Claire go from hating Allison, to liking Allison, to hating Allison, to liking Allison? And I think it’s simply extra focus on Vernon that we don’t need. Plus, it gives the audience the idea, "Well, maybe Vernon is just having an off day; maybe he's not such a bad guy," when I believe that this is what he always acts like.
2. Before Allison and Andrew leave to get the sodas, they collect money from everyone. Brian hands over a couple dollars and Bender sticks his hand out for money from Brian. Brian laughs, but Bender stares at him stonily, and Brian shrugs and hands Andrew money for Bender. Claire pulls out a fifty and asks Mr. Vernon if he can break it.
They actually filmed this scene. I think removing it was a good call. It certainly didn’t ruin the movie, but it didn’t add anything either. It kind of came off as a filler scene. Plus, I think the characterization of each individual student was slightly too obvious and exaggerated.
3. Near the end, Allison says to Andrew, “I don’t want to be alone… anymore.” He responds, “You don’t have to be.” This can be seen in the trailer.
This is all right. It’s a sweet exchange between two kids who end up getting together anyway. I think it wouldn’t have wasted any time, considering it happens while Allison is revealing her makeover to Andrew, but it would’ve taken away a bit of mystery. I liked how neither Allison and Andrew nor Claire and Bender said anything about their future relationships, and John Hughes simply left it up to the viewers’ imagination.
4. Carl, the janitor, talks with Vernon about where the kids will be in thirty years. Bender will commit suicide, Claire will have “two boob jobs and a face lift,” Brian will become very successful but die of a heart attack due to the stress of a high paying job, Allison will be a great poet but no one will care, and Andrew will marry a gorgeous airline stewardess who will become fat after having kids.
I am extremely glad they removed this scene. First of all, these are rather negative predictions, and I don’t necessarily agree with any of them. There’s some truth there but I have other guesses that I think are much more likely to happen. And this scene practically turns Carl into a villain.
5. In a dream sequence, Allison imagines Andrew as a gluttonous Viking, Bender as a prisoner, Claire as a bride, Brian as an astronaut, and herself as a vampire. In an unfilmed alternative to this dream sequence, all five kids imagine random things, including cars, naked women, Godzilla, beer, and fighter planes. These things end up filling the room until Vernon interrupts.
This is interesting and it displays John Hughes’s understanding of the teenage mind - but it’s a little strange and it would’ve entirely changed the whole vibe of the movie.
6. Originally, John Bender was not going to walk to school. He was going to be driven by his dad in a rusty tow truck, and have a brief fight with him before his dad drives off. Bender is tossed a bagged lunch, his father saying, “You are a waste of lunch meat.”
This is fitting with the whole characterization of Bender but it gives away too much about his home life too early.
7. After Bender demonstrates life at Brian’s house, Brian stops him and corrects him with a much more pessimistic version of the skit. Claire then proceeds to act out her life before asking Bender to demonstrate his version. Bender’s routine changes here - after mimicking his mom, he stops and comments, “Then they make me work to pay off the dentist for the teeth he busts.”
The home life reenactment was one of my favorite ideas in the entire movie, but this scene would have overused it. And Bender’s reenactment was perfect. I’m glad nothing was added to it. Plus, it doesn’t really fit into Claire’s character.
8. In the lunch scene, Brian’s lunchbag contains a note from his mom, and Bender reads it.
There’s nothing negative about this scene but it wouldn’t have added anything. And actually, it would not have made much sense, considering how Brian’s mother acted early on the movie. I think the “balanced lunch from Mom” idea was more about how Brian’s parents wanted him to be perfect in every aspect of his life, not how they cared about him in a childlike way.
9. The scene where Andrew and Allison are walking to get the sodas is extended to the point where Allison pulls out a pack of cigarettes and smokes one.
Eh, this is rather pointless. Plus, Allison doesn’t seem like the kind of person who would smoke. And I think that would’ve forced the Allison and Andrew relationship into a gender swapped parallel of the Claire and Bender relationship.
10. After getting the sodas, Bender shakes one can violently and waits to see who gets the rigged one. Allison ends up with it, and when she opens the can, all the soda squirts directly into her mouth.
What they ended up with was almost the opposite. Bender tosses a can to Allison and she catches it smoothly. That almost demonstrated the ease of their relationship without even requiring a friendship. This kinda makes a joke out of Allison and pushes Bender too far into the class clown category.
11. After Vernon asks who has to use the lavatory, the five go to the bathroom. Vernon gives the boys two minutes and the girls three minutes. Claire catches Allison eating a bag of chips in a stall, repulsing her. Bender mocks Brian for sitting down to urinate instead of using a urinal.
This definitely fits into their characters but it’s fairly useless. Plus, it simply adds another location into the movie, and a highlight of the movie is the fact that they used a total of only five rooms.
12. When Allison says, “I can write with my toes,” she actually does so.
She would have to pull out paper, a pencil, and actually write with her toes… this seems like an extremely pointless addition to the confession scene. And it sort of ruins the flow of conversation.
13. A few staff members were cut out of the script before filming - Dr. Lange, a history teacher who dresses oddly; Andrew, a sociopathic film studies teacher; Brian, a neurotic gym teacher; Ed, a mute cafeteria worker; and Robin, a gym teacher. Robin helps Vernon on a few workout machines until Vernon injures his back, and she eventually visits the students while they are in their circle in the library.
One of the most incredible aspects of the movie is the very small cast. Removing these extra characters might’ve been the best decision John Hughes ever made. And the repeated names are kind of odd. Plus, how would a visit from a teacher fit into the whole confession scene? And the workout scene is just more attention on Vernon that we simply don’t need.
14. Bender and Claire’s kissing scene in the closet was cut because Hughes felt that “screen kissing wears thin very quickly.” Molly Ringwald described it as a “great kiss.”
I adore this scene (it can be found in the trailer). But I agree with John Hughes and I’m glad he cut it, yet still made it available to the public.
15. Hughes was pressured into writing a scene somehow involving sex, and what he came up with was eventually cut. Vernon watches some female faculty members in a swimming pool, and he even spies on one woman swimming nude.
Way, way too much focus on Vernon. And while Vernon is definitely a creep, this raises it to a whole new level.
16. During the smoking scene, Allison locks herself in a small room, hugs herself, and hums. In the same scene, Claire and Brian begin singing the Beatles’ All My Lovin’.
Very inconsequential. The Allison segment might’ve been a positive addition, considering Allison was sort of nowhere to be found in that whole smoking scene. And the Claire and Brian duet certainly wouldn’t have hurt. But it would also drag the smoking scene on a lot longer, and the movie did just fine without it.
None of my family like TBC but I like it this way because I can watch it on my own and I can really get into it and I can listen to it properly and I just really love it. My favourite character is probably John, just because of the way that he and because he is so blunt and straight up. The film had a really weird effect on me, I sort of wanted to be in the movie, I wanted to be a teen in the 1980s And this isn't even a question I just really needed to tell somebody how I felt about the movie.
I feel the exact same way! My family appreciates TBC and agrees that it’s a good movie but they all say they wouldn’t really rewatch it. I think 2% of the times I’ve watched TBC, I’ve watched it with someone else. Watching movies alone is much more enjoyable, don’t you agree? I’m glad you told me how you felt about the movie! I can definitely relate. :)
which kids do u thin k are smartest or have best grades?
Hm. Well, those are two very different things. I believe the best grades would have gone to:
Brian, of course.
Andrew, considering that athletes are required to keep their grades up, and he was certainly dedicated to both his sport and impressing his father.
Claire, due to process of elimination and the fact that her parents probably bribed her with money, clothes, or makeup to keep her grades up. Plus, they were probably eager to convince her teachers to raise her grades.
Allison. She probably ignored the assignments she saw as trivial or useless, and most of her original work was most likely misunderstood.
Bender. He simply didn’t seem to care very much about his performance in school.
And I think the smartest are…
Brian. I truly believe that in at least the technical meaning of the word, Brian is the smartest.
Allison. She is extremely observant, and artistic people are often intelligent.
Bender. He is ridiculously intuitive when it comes to analyzing the others, and his vocabulary is excellent, especially in his conversations with Mr. Vernon.
Claire. Simply because of process of elimination. However, she is certainly educated, as you can tell from her knowledge of advanced authors.
Andrew. I certainly don’t think he’s dumb in any sense of the word. I just think that with his focus on sports, he has most likely neglected the development of his intelligence.