ah yes, so the time to do the discussion about symphony!leo has arrived at last
as many of you know, i am big on death of the author. the text of symphony stands on its own. your interpretation of the fic is what it is, and anything i say outside of its bounds are my intent but only that. i also write in a limited third person point of view and this fic heavily leans on the idea of an unreliable narrator.
symphony!leoās feelings towards viola-chan are meant to be misunderstood. the first part of the fic plays on expectations, then subverts them when he explicitly shares what's going on his head when he has the conversation with viola-chan in chapter 22. then in chapter 41, once again thereās a jarring shift in your expectations for his feelings. finally, in chapter 44, thereās another one.
i highly recommend this breakdown my dear friend cleric did back when chapter 22 dropped. she does a spectacular job of dissecting the breadcrumbs i left behind for you to find on a second reading, so i won't do that labor a second time here.
what are symphony!leoās feelings for viola-chan? i have left the ācanonā answer to this ambiguous on purpose.
THAT BEING SAID. i Do have my word of god answer to this, and now that the fic is at last finished, i am willing to divulge it. i'm also happy to go into my thoughts and intentions with symphony!leoās character and mindset. iāll put it beneath a cut for those who are interested in the meta of the fic, and so people who want to maintain that mystery as intended donāt have to have the WOG opinion spoil that.
prior to chapter 22, itās intentionally written for leo to come across as romantically interested in viola-chan. viola-chan, who is second only to leo when it comes to reading nonverbal cues, actually does a pretty good job of sussing out that this isnāt really the case. other people (donnie, april, etc) think that leo has a crush, but viola-chan is pretty adamant that no, theyāre just friends.
then, in chapter 22, we have the reveal that actually, all those actions were leo weaponizing donnieās feelings for viola-chan in an attempt to bridge the gap between him and his brother. leo had been hiding his true feelings for viola-chan, which were hatred and envy. (i point again to clericās breakdown above for those moments as she captured them quite well.)
over time, as he got to know viola-chan, however, those feelings faded. it wasnāt perfect; he probably would have gotten to a more genuine relationship with her had he not smelled where donna was scenting viola-chan at the end of chapter 10, something that is erotic and requires a lot of touching. the beginning of that conversation were, in truth, leo being truly affectionate with her. seeing the way she ached for them over krang had him feeling genuine, and he probably would have had his full heel-face-turn at that point were it not for that hug.
this is when his inner conflict really begins. he recognizes that viola-chan is a good person who helps him selflessly, who loves him, who loves his family the way he loves his family. she is a hamato. but also she is an outsider, an interloper, and he canāt stand it. the two feelings battle, and we see moments where heās distant and moments where he feels genuine. in chapter 16, we even have him admitting to viola-chan that heās avoiding her to ādecide what it is he wants.ā this is written so on a first reading you think itās him warring with romantic feelings for her; it is in fact him warring over the fact that he doesnāt really hate her as much as he wishes he did. does he want her to go away? or does he want her to stay in his life? what is it he wants?
the answer comes for him in chapter 20, when viola-chan comes to him after the revelation with donnie. he sees the way sheās hurt, and itās at that moment that his feelings resolve. it hurts seeing her in pain, and in fact he takes viola-chanās side throughout the entire incident. he doesnāt go comfort donnie; he goes to comfort viola-chan. he doesnāt blame viola-chan for seeing something that wasnāt there; he blames donnie for not seeing what clearly was there.
at the time of chapter 22, i got a lot of people saying that leo could have ākept that shit to himselfā and never hurt viola-chan by telling her how he hated her in the beginning. but i said then and still hold today that no, that absolutely had to happen. viola-chan told leo that her number one expectation for a good relationship was honesty, and the way he manipulated her for so long was an albatross that would have haunted him forever. as such, even though he would have rather carry that to his grave and pretend he was always team viola, we see the events of chapter 22.
the rest of the fic until 41 shows leo and viola-chan becoming real friends. he learns how to respect her boundaries, she learns to forgive and let herself heal from such a painful emotional wound.
and then chapter 41 happens, and we have the reveal that bad future symphony!leo not only had romantic feelings for his viola-chan, but he acted on them in a way that led to her death. you will notice that i used the exact same words in chapter 41 (leading to the eventual reveal that bfs!leo had romantic feelings for viola-chan) as the ones in chapter 20 (leading to the reveal that s!leo had negative feelings for viola-chan). i did this on purpose; by invoking the same words, i purposefully planted the seed of doubt, both in viola-chanās mind and in yours. bsf!leo and s!leo said the exact same thing. are their feelings the same? then again in chapter 41 and chapter 44 i do it again. (āYou keep me grounded. Always do. It feels nice.ā)
bfs!leo 100% had romantic feelings for viola-chan. in fact, i think he fell for her very early on, but he didnāt act on those feelings because of the time not quite being right, and later because he could see that she was melting through bfs!donnieās cold shell. he only kissed her in a moment of desperation and lapsed judgment, smelling the pregnancy, feeling like she was slipping out of his grasp. i think he felt a little like she was his, as i imagine he was the one that brought her into the resistance, the one who got her on her feet, the one who drank tea with her and listened to music with her and had vulnerable conversations with her. she was something to him that nobody else was, and he hated the way he couldnāt be that for her.
as for s!leoā¦. i think he does have romantic feelings for viola-chan. i look at chapter 20 as the moment where things changed for him, perhaps with him realizing that the angry rage in his chest at his brother wasnāt just because he hurt his friendās feeling, but because he had what leo wanted and threw it away. that part of the reason he couldnāt keep hating viola-chan was because, little by little, he was developing feelings for her. slowly, against his will, but veritably. in my mind, he really accepts this in chapter 29, when he has the conversation with viola-chan after hugging donnie here:
ā¦in my mind, when he presses his forehead to viola-chanās, he thinks about it. leaning in and kissing her, putting those romantic feelings forward. but also, he knows donnie loves viola-chan, and he knows viola-chan loves donnie. he says here that heād wait for her friendship forever. in my ear, i hear him saying he would wait for her forever.
so yeah, at the end of the fic, i think symphony!leo is very much in love with viola-chan. but nothing will ever come of it, because he would never act on it in a way to interfere with donnie/viola-chan, and with that relationship resolved they are 100% end game, grow old together levels of devoted. i think leo probably thinks about it, sometimes, when heās alone in his room, and he never, ever refers to viola-chan as his sisterājust āfamily.ā but heās also satisfied with how things are and he doesnāt resent or envy anymore, and is content.
but you know, none of this is canon, and totally up to interpretation, so keep that in mind!
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in Chapter 15 of Symphony, a yokai at the Fourth of July party is flirting with Viola-chan and Donnie gets jealous. Given that at this time Donnie was unaware of his romantic feelings, what did he think compelled him to finger fuck Viola-chan in his room? š i imagine he did not identify this feeling as jealousy, so was he like "hm I wonder what that was about" or did he just not really think about it at the time?
hehehe, well actually, the other yokai is not why donnie got jealous. there's a non-zero chance i'll write a b-side of this, but just in case it never happens, i'm happy to let you in on a little secret ;)
it is true that donnie gets mildly annoyed by the yokai who is flirting with viola-chan. but it's kind of in a mild manner, because viola-chan is very clearly not interested, and donnie's like. yeah this fucker's not in her league, i ain't worried.
however. that's not the only thing that happens in this chapter.
remember this? specifically at this point, leo knows that donnie is watching you from the sideline. to try and make his brother jealous, he flutters his fingers against you--something that a red-eared slider does when they're indicating a willingness to mate. donnie knows this. leo knows donnie knows this. donnie knows leo knows that donnie knows this. i think in his mind, leo was trying to get donnie to come over and do something. the "gonna kill him" donnie says later is about leo, not the other yokai.
also, by this point in the evening, donnie is no longer sober. he wasn't thinking straight. jealousy and alcohol made him act without really being logical about it. immediately afterwards he expresses shock that he did something "like that" and it's viola-chan who convinces him it's okay.
also also, this is around the time when donnie is picking up that something is different about viola-chan. in the next chapter, we see him pouring over spreadsheets, and then immediately when he sees viola-chan he says "oh i was just thinking about you." on a second read, you're meant to think "oh shit those are The Spreadsheets." the fridge logic here of course being that hm. donnie fingers viola-chan while drunk. sobers up. then spends the next day going. oh. that was. out of character. why did i do that? (why did i do that? why did i do that? i wanted to. why? why? i want to do it again. no one else can do that to her. just me. is it something i want to do with someone else? no. why?)
see, here's the thing. someone once made a comment about viola-chan falling first, and donnie harder. and i responded "who said she fell first?" we see later in the fic where donnie tells viola-chan this:
he knew later what he didn't in the moment. that he was jealous because his brother was signaling he wanted to fuck his crush. he grabbed viola-chan and had his way with her in the bedroom because he wanted her to smell only of him and to make sure those fluttering fingers didn't mean anything. he says that he should start moving on to touching other people, but he wants to keep touching viola-chan. he has romantic feelings, he just didn't have the words for it, partially because of his neurodivergence, partially because this was his first romantic relationship, partially because of intoxication. you're his. he knows he feels that way. he just... doesn't really know what that means yet.
something we see later that frustrates him a lot, because, holy shit, how did he not know.
i'll just add a little personal note here, because i modeled donnie's autism off of my own. as someone who has been on dates and had people get upset with me later because i didn't reciprocate in an expected manner because i didn't really pick up on what was happening, it really sucks--for both people. and you do look back on it and think "wow holy shit how did you not know that was a romantic thing. how did you not see that this was obviously someone feeling blah." in the moment you just. don't see it that way. only hindsight and a lot of introspection gets you to the place where you're like. lmao you really are a fucking idiot huh. it's an awful feeling that makes you want to withdraw and just. not try again.
so in a way, i guess symphony!donnie is my way of giving myself a little bit of grace. yeah, it was super obvious to us that donnie is totally in love with viola-chan, and finger-fucking her in a jealous rage because his twin is making googoo eyes feels like something that should be a neon sign. we know the tropes, we know this is a fanfic where the relationship is tagged and it says "happy ending" and we know what that means. but he doesn't know that, he doesn't know he's in a romance story, he doesn't know that he's doing these things because he feels that way, and it's okay. he isn't doomed by this failure. the narrative forgives him, viola-chan forgives him, he finds ways to communicate with the people who matter, the world keeps turning.
AHHH ! The new chapter was⦠CHEF KISS. The perfect mix of wholesome and yearning and carnal desire. I loved it!!!
Based on your tags for the notification, I had a question!! What were the three scenes you were really looking forward to write and why? :)
uwahhh iām delighted you enjoyed it!!! these chapters with the push and pull are always So fun to write
yes!! i shall tuck them under a cut for people who want to avoid spoilers:
1. the nape scene
in my veeeeeery first author note(ch. 1) i mentioned that viola-chan canonically has hair long enough that it needs to be tied up. this goes against my usual policy of not mentioning what kind of hair a reader character has to expand inclusivity, but i changed it for viola-chan because i had a vision of donnie coming up behind you while youre putting your hair up and whispering into your nape that every time you did this, it haunted him and made him feel funny. that scene is in this chapter!!
2. āyou have soft handsā
throughout the fic, donnie has always told you he loves the feeling of your hands on him. this is because he has always loved them. how soft they are, how they move, how they make him feel. the āsoft handsā from the summary is a metaphorical thing (a post for later if the people want), but itās also a literal thing. ive been wanting a fic where he caresses your hands and tells you since before a word of this fic existed!
3. hashtag official
ive thought long about how donnie would label the relationship when it came to it. and i settled back in like. chapter five or so. that it would just be easy for him. so easy he wouldnt even think about it. getting to the point if a category switch is hard, but once he makes it, once you are āgirlfriendā in his head, thereās no awkward transition where he stutters over it. it is simply the category to which you belong. we see it when he isnt embarrassed to admit he wants you to come to he halloween party, and he seems surprised that you are surprised he wants to come to your concert. but it is concretely shown in the scene with dachshund-dakota, who sees donnie and is like HEY YOU SMELL LIKE FRIEND and when the grandson is confused donnieās like yeah she probably smells my girlfriend on me and they had a good week together. like??? vine boom for viola-chan, who has been wondering if sheās crazy for wanting to do this because what if sheās misreading the cues again andābut no. donnie clears up his intentions with a single word. ahhhhh that scene. chin hands
I find it so incredibly impressive how you use juxtaposition to really emphasize why viola-chan has fallen for Donnie.
The beginning of the chapter demonstrates men who pretend to look out for her, put on a show to impress.
But the reason she chooses - continues to choose Donnie, is because there is no show. His words and actions continue to match his intentions, and itās almost intrinsic for him to protect her. Itās not a question, but a prerogative to look out for her.
Itās the reason I think that Donnie chooses her as well. Without fail she stands to protect him and his family. Without fail she turns in kind to do her best to make him feel safe in return.
Donnie has always listened with an intention to fix the situation, something I think Viola-chan also did until her own attempts to help/fix things ended rather disastrously. Now thoughā¦. now they both listen to eachother to support and understand. To be there, truly, for one another.
Itās why Donnie lets Leo go with nothing more than a well-deserved punch. Itās why he was able to be talked down by her.
They donāt see anything to fix for one another anymore. Donnie and viola-chan are partners in every sense of the word, and itās not so much a need to hold on to each other as it is to ensure the other truly feels safe.
All hypotheses of course, I love how youāve put the very definition of āprotectionā under examination with this chapter. Absolutely wonderful work.
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I have a question that I haven't really been able to work well for it to make sense.
Here goes
Were Leo's one-sided feelings always going to be a thing? Or was it something that came by developing him during the story? Do you think is just something that happens when you write for Leo, that it somehow ends on his feelings being always a bit more romantic lean? Or do you think, if it had been Leo centric symphony, while writing Donnie in Leo's position, it would've also turned to be on that one-sideness? Is it Leo's personality or just the position he is in-in the story?
Does any of this makes sense.
i think i understand what youre asking? i will answer what i interpret and you can follow up if needed!
putting this under a spoiler cut šš
first, a clarification: when you refer to āleoās one-sided feelingsā being romantic in the fic it depends on which leo youre talking about.
bad future symphony!leo canonically was in love with his viola-chan.
symphony!leo is not canonically in love with his viola-chan.
s!leoās canon feelings for viola-chan are that of envy (up until about chapter 19), then friendship (chapter 20+). his feelings being romantic in nature or not are intentionally left ambiguous. whether thereās more to it or not is for interpretation, and iāve put breadcrumbs throughout for both a platonic and a romantic read of the text. have fun and debate that shit to the ground!
both of these were my plan from the beginning. if you look at early discussions with casey, he is explicitly uncomfortable with the idea of viola-chan getting ātoo closeā to leo. this is because he knows how future!viola-chan died, and how bfs!leo felt about his viola-chan. he also kind of drops the ball and mentions bfs!leoās feelings a bit (which was done for two reasons: one, to act as a red herring and make you think s!leo feels romantic feelings for viola-chan, and two, to reveal that bfs!leo did indeed have those feelings). i also use dialogue from the early part of the fic to set up parallel conversations. bfs!leo and s!leo say the same thingsā¦ā¦ but also not. they come from a different place, both literally and figuratively.
i personally think that s!leo is in love with viola-chan, but again, thatās not explicit in the text and therefore not canon. there wonāt be a canon b-sides of leo pining. i may write it for fun, but that would be a separate thing.
hopefully that clears that up. as for the question of me always writing a romantic leo, that certainly isnāt the case. i actually donāt really like love triangles! if it is a donnie only fic, it will have donnie having feelings and no one else, and vice versa for leo fics. iām a hopeless romantic who wants the pining to be reciprocated and resolved at the end.
that said, occasionally i will write what i call a āblurpleā fic, which is where an insert-chan might be in a poly relationship dating both leo and donnie at the same time. those are fun, but truth be told i usually prefer monogamous fics because i am a super sucker for otp happily ever after type romance stories.
Iāve been thinking about this question a lot recently and was wondering if you could answer it yet? A while ago you said you couldnāt cause spoilers but now that Donnie has confessed again and obviously realized his feelings, maybe it can be answered? If you still canāt thatās okay, I can wait longer!!
yeah i think i can discuss this now!
symphony spoilers slash meta discussion slash discussion of blurple symphony au(s) aka non-canon events under the cut for those who wish to avoid:
so i'm not sure if you're asking specifically about the blurple symphony au or symphony itself. i'll point to both just in case.
for the symphony canon, i kind of already talked about the moment in this ask here. donnie going through old recordings, noting that something's up, and then attaching the word to it once he hears it from you. there's... more to it than that, which will be specifically discussed in the next couple of chapters, but that's the gist of it.
"the" blurple symphony au as it happened in the first half of the fic (the one you're probably talking about) is something that is so different from the rest of the canon fic that it's kind of hard to think of it as the same entity at this point. things would happen very differently, to the point that i haven't really thought about it. i think donnie would get really jealous as you and leo get together, but he isn't sure if it's because you get to touch leo (something he really wants) or because leo gets to touch you (something he really wants). i think it would be a lot more of a slow burn, because he doesn't have that same. hm. freedom to have the "oh shit" moment that we see with the spoon scene in symphony canon. or if he does, at this point he's like. well you're dating leo, he missed his moment, so, too bad. eventually you and leo would notice that something's up, have a discussion, and i think after a looooot of conversation he would finally admit it and then it would work itself out.
any blurple symphony au moments that i conceive of at this point i think would be their own individual spin offs, kind of like. hmm. the blurple symphony multiverse, LMAO. for example, in chapter 29, in the leo make up scene, for shits and giggles i wrote a few paragraphs where leo kisses you instead of pressing his forehead to yours. boom, a blurple symphony au was born where that was the beginning of the relationship. then again in chapter 30, i wrote a little blurb just for fun where leo fucks you on the couch. another blurple multiverse born.
at this point, i think it's just kind of fun for me to be like, "haha, what if," and so i indulge myself for a few paragraphs then delete it because it isn't canon. something something putting leo in the jar and shaking it. but the, uh. canon-ness of any blurple symphony au is always just that: an alternate universe that isn't related to the canon.
I've re-read a few chapters, the ones when shit hit the fan, just to see if I catch something new after the latest chapter.
āDo you have any conditions?ā
āNone,ā he says. You frown.
āAre you sure? Maybe you should think aboutāā
āNone,ā he repeats. āHowever youāll let me have you.ā
It is so clear that Donnie is in love with Vi. It was so clear to everyone but himself.
Having read the last chapter, when Dee finally realises that yes, he is in love with Vi, it is a bit crazy to read those chapters.
"What did you do to her" the ANGER
He records everything! He probably is going to want to have some sense of control after this revelation, right? I think he is going to listen to the recordings again to find how, when. I wonder how is he going to feel listening to the conversation when Vi clarifies she was in love with him, now knowing that he was in love himself also. My bet is he's going to feel stupid as fuck (poor dude š), maybe freak out a little? Or a LOT. Spoons.
ARG I LOVE HIM
I'm so excited for the next chapter. A cliff hanger? Giving us the signals for danger in the last moment? Malicious. Mischievous. Evil, even.
Great work as always, Sam. I hope you are proud of your work because you rewire my brain everytime and I would cry if you weren't hiper mega proud of your talent.
-tc! šµš»āāļø<3
it's actually canon that donnie has been going through his old recordings!
the poor boy just didn't have a word for [gestures at all the huge and all-encompassing emotions he's been feeling] until he heard viola-chan literally word-for-word describing it, and then all at once he got hit with a brick that had OH written on it in a leaky paint pen. then viola-chan is over here in her own little world trying to get over him at the same time so she's purposefully Not seeing any signs and ignoring ALL the gut feelings telling her HEY MAYBE HE'S ACTUALLY INTO YOU AFTER ALL bc she got burned so badly doing that in the beginning
and as a result of these two clowns we (you, me, the rest of the hamato clan) are all sitting here watching this shit show like