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Severus also genuinely cared About Voldemort, probably even vice versa to a certain extent, (as much as Voldemort is capable there of)

See, that’s the thing I actually always wonder about. Without any second thought Severus went to Dumbledore, fully expecting he may be killed at the spot (DH, chapter 33, the scene and the hill top), and yet he clearly didn’t trust Voldemort to keep Lily alive. This is what always baffles me about the claims of his being 100% loyal back then, up to the point Lily’s life was threatened. A loyal DE would act like Bellatrix, when she tried to reason with Narcissa, and put their hopes in the Dark Lord, not went to some other wizard to look for help. It would not occur to them even to think about looking for help elsewhere. And yet, Severus not only thought about it, but actually did it. This is why I do wonder how much invested he was in the whole DE business and when his doubts started and why.

And here we have the main question. Did he really care about Voldemort? Ever? Or did he perhaps care about the cause? There is nothing in the books that points to him caring about Voldemort per se. He joined DE in search for power and hopes of making his life better, to which his general story points and comments made by JKR in the interviews. Just like she said once he would have never joined DE if he had been given the choice again. I would rather say he wanted power, and not necessarily fully supported the ideal that DE may have had, but he didn’t care about others enough to think about the consequences that DE actions may have had for others. The expected benefits exceeded what he thought to be the cost, so he didn’t even look into the whole matter that much to find out what the cost really was. A very foolish thing to do, IMO. I never made it a secret that I see joining DE as signing down a pact with the devil with your own blood - of course what you get from it is not what you expect it to be. A very bad life choice, indeed. Even if his main motivation wasn’t the prejudice.

i think its more just correlation as opposed to causation. i don’t think it’s a symptom or byproduct of having those disorders, but i think it’s just that there’s naturally a certain amount of overlap between “people with lifelong mental illness struggles” and “people who prefer a ‘darker’ vibe.” 

ive met plenty of other cluster b’s who aren’t into that kind of aesthetic and plenty of people who are that don’t have any pd’s

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@raelis1 I do not know if Rowling said that about Dumbledore (and would love to see a link if possible), but if she did...

What happened ? And even if I do not know what happened this situation made me quite angry. I mean why do the people throw offenses at you( or others)? What is their point ? Anyways if I had a wookie cookie I would give you one now :)

Ahahah, thanks XD

I got one myself to go with coffee right now XD

It was quite the usual, really. Someone I follow for good Snape content reblogged an anti nonsense post with their rebuttal, the OP had some bits than enraged me, I added my two cents (half mad, half rolling on the floor with bitter laugh, must add) and went on my merry way. 

Today I get up, check around for a bit and find the initial poster has made a new post “calling out” the “disgusting snape apologists” that disagreed with their dismissive nonsense. If a had a bingo for strawman argument, change of topic, double standards, moral purity and holier than you... boi. 

The point, as I guess, you cannot understand where a bitter, angry and hurt character is coming from, no matter how much you disagree with many of their actions. You have to condamn them for the trash they are, and it doesn’t matter how they came to be or how much they suffered. At the opposite, you better dismiss it, because fandom darling pain is much more, is more important, and once errors are made they’re unforgivable and if you don’t condamn them you are an “apologist” (sure, sure). 

IF your name is Severus Snape or Albus Dumbledore.

If you’re called Lucius or Narcissa Malfoy, then loving your son will erase everything you’ve ever done, including leading muggle-hunts raids or being a key figure in your cousin death. 

If you’re called Draco Malfoy... oh, don’t get me even start. He can be more like Riddle than Snape at school, spat slurs at 12 while in a privilegied position, be glad about Voldy’s coming back, join the Death Eaters... and be excused of everything because he was “young” and “raised that way”. 

what I see in General is that severus is trying to make his students to think on their own, but fails

I would like to think that in the moment when it was obvious to him he was stuck with teaching, no matter what his feelings about the matter were, he went all like “I’ll show you now how it’s done!” only to realise that some things are easier said than done. He simply underestimated er... the resentment some students may feel toward acquiring new knowledge. So in turn he was forced to bring his expectations down.

I also think it is more complex than old and new world order, because of how Arthur Weasley behaves and how Tonks comments on her own Dad (Are the muggles all so tidy? ) etc.

as for care for Voldemort, I think they were Partners in bad life as the Russians would say, People who lived through abuse and came out damaged, they had common interests (potions, dark magic) and common Problems (shitty fathers (well Voldemort is more complicated but from his Point of view this was the case) and all. Out of all death eaters at some Point severus was one of the most valued and I do wonder if there was something aside of his skills that made him such

The problem I have with seeing it, is that it would require for Voldemort to share his whole past with his DE or at least a few of them, which goes against what Albus Dumbledore said about him in HBP - when Tom Marvolo Riddle came back, he came back with a new name and so changed that hardly anyone could recognise in him the man he once was. In other words he cut himself from his past to the point where most people were unaware of the fact that Voldemort was Tom Marvolo Riddle once. I would risk the statement that even his Hogwarts classmates didn’t know everything about him, but some carefully crafted version of his life.This is why I personally doubt in any sense of real camaraderie between Voldemort and Severus.

Yes, Severus may have been valued in some way, but only after Voldemort’s second comeback or should I rather say afer he killed Dumbledore. Sadly, the way I see Voldemort valuing him is not dissimilar to valuing a favourite tool or possession. Like seriously, Nagini had more Voldemort’s respect that any DE of his ever had, save for Bellatrix perhaps. All was well as long they were useful to him. So no, I see no closeness here.

i used to think that all it would take to make severus’ life better was to change one thing. change his parents, change his house, change swm, change his future as a death eater. now i’m thinking that it’s way more complicated. 

severus is very ambitious in everything he does. he wants to be better than everyone in his preferred subjects, he wants to have both lily and his pureblood allies, he wants to be rich and powerful, etc. ambition is at the very core of who he is. for severus to join ravenclaw, he would have to be a very different person from his background to his personality.

still it’s possible in a world where severus values knowledge over power that he would join ravenclaw. a few things would become better. his relationship with lily would be one but that would still lead to james targeting him. remember sirius lied when he said they hated severus for his love of dark arts and the people he hung out with. flitwick might be better than slughorn but then again luna’s bullied a lot and you don’t see flitwick stepping in.