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The Homestuck rules of Time Travel and Retcons

I tried, based on everything up to and including the Homestuck Epilogues, to come up with an internally consistent framework for Time Travel & Retcons in the Homestuck universe.

It can probably still have some very large holes, though.

The Homestuck rules of Time Travel

Time travel is possible except across the canon event horizon

Communication across time lines is possible

Spacetime travel is not possible (no simultaneous time travel and teleporting)

Breaking time loops dooms your existence and timeline. This may include not time traveling when the time jump is the subject of an important Choice.

Closing time loops validates your existence and target timeline if they weren’t doomed. (Schrödinger's Doomed Self)

The Homestuck rules of Retcons

Retcons are possible inside the canon event horizon

Communication across time lines is possible

Communication across the canon boundary is possible

Spacetime travel is possible (simultaneous time travel and teleporting)

Being retconned dooms your existence and timeline. This may include not performing a retcon when the retcon is the subject of an important Choice.

Performing a retcon validates your existence and target timeline if they haven’t yet been retconned by someone else.

By these rules, Meat Earth C was doomed by John when he left, but revalidated when he returned.

By these rules, Candy Earth C was doomed by John’s decision to stay and not perform a retcon at that time. He still retconned Gamzee’s survival post-Collide, but that doesn’t change the fact he was still doomed himself.

Similarly, all the past Johns which John himself retconned were doomed as well, their potential future adventures not being part of the “alpha” timeline, interesting though they might have been.

Likewise, post-retcon John and Roxy were doomed retroactively by John and Roxy traveling to their timeline from the Game Over timeline.

Candy Earth C crossed the canon event horizon with the death of Dirk.

Alt Calliope’s inter-canon wormhole is neither time travel nor retcons and follows different rules.

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So, is John going to zap to the next plot point now, or will it switch back to Earth C?

I wonder, if it's the latter, whether we might see something from an antagonist, or a less important character, like Jack Noir or GCATavrosprite. And if the former, I wonder if John will venture further into (a retconned version of) the Game Over timeline, or not?

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JOHN: DISSOLVE [ok to tag as kin/me/etc]

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#john egbert #describe homestuck #i'm not sure if i'm a very big fan of the experience?#homestuck #retjohn

you know, everyone’s talked about how the retcon meant that alpha vriska didn’t really get character development and how tragic it is for her to either be alive or happy, but no one really talks about how tavros kinda got the short end of the stick too. John basically created a new alpha tavros who never fused with vriska and never got to do the whole “tavros gets to have a meaningful character arc” thing. This tavros is still terrorized by vriska and has basically no self esteem and I just. why do all these poor children need to die to actually become happy healthy individuals.

#homestuck #tavros nitram #retjohn #idk it just makes me sad

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Since Homestuck’s started back up again, I’ve been thinking about what it would be like to be an archival reader. Since I started reading in January 2012, I’ve been around for almost all of Act 6 and for over half the comic in terms of pagecount and of time.

SPOILERS FROM HERE ON OUT

The most emotional moment of the comic for me, and the climax of Act 5 Act 2 (I consider Cascade to be the climax of Act 5 as a whole) is Vriska’s death at the hands of Terezi. It was something that had to be done for the sake of survival and to eliminate Vriska as a source of future problems. It was obviously something that Terezi regretted, even though it was necessary (see her conversation with Aranea). We get a hint of some closure with [S] Remem8er, and I really hope this whole remembering thing goes somewhere. Even though today’s update has Terezi acting all fine after she remem8ered??? whatever.

Anyway, all that changed with the retjohn. And the worst part is that the sense of inevitability of Vriska’s death is gone, specifically on this page. This is the last page before Vriska’s death, and it also happens to be the last page with a mysterious “[???????].” For the archival reader, Vriska’s death is no loner inevitable or certain. The “[???????]” link provides a glimpse of a third option that neither Terezi or mspa readers had before the retjohn. If I were reading the comic now, this would really lessen the impact for me. Until the moment it was revealed, I’d be wondering what that “[???????]” was for, and how it tied in to that pivotal moment.

#homestuck #retjohn #vriska #remem8er #terezi

Homestuck Retcon

I’m kind of tired of people knocking the retcon, so I’m going to voice my thoughts about this.

First of all, I can’t stand Vriska. No matter which Vriska, I can’t stand her. I’ve had too many people in my life be the exact fucking same. The gaslighting, the bullying... It’s way too close to home.

But here’s the thing.

#homestuck #retjohn #homestuck retcon #upd8 #rant #I'm actually upset by the end of this whoops I wasn't planning that

Retjohn Changes

Here’s my list of the status quo post-Retjohn (so far). Note that many canon events whose original triggers (e.g. Vriska dying) have been removed may, in the Retjohn continuity, have been triggered by different events.

Overall:

Game cartridge de-glittered by windy powers

Therefore a lot of obscured events will be visible (and possibly changed).

Meteor:

Vriska not dead Therefore:

5X Showdown Combo can’t have happened as shown (Vriska’s dead body clearly shown in background).

Gamzee and Karkat don’t become moirails as a consequence of 5X Showdown Combo.

Terezi doesn’t date Gamzee from grief over dead Vriska; therefore potentially Dave and Terezi don’t break up because of Terezi’s kismesis. (On the other hand, Terezi may well kismes with Vriska.) Other consequences: Terezi doesn’t become Faygo addict; Terezi remains blind. And, of course, Terezi doesn’t set up the password system to force John to Retjohn, but blah blah alpha timeline.

Gamzee can’t use Vriska’s corpse to prototype a sprite.

Terezi and Rose not drunk

Shown in post-Retjohn panel where meteor survivors encounter Jade. This means both Seers have time and opportunity to actively plan post-meteor shenanigans.

Battleship:

John is killed early by explosion on his planet

Explosion on John’s planet kills Davesprite, therefore Jade and Davesprite never date and break up, therefore Jade’s next encounter with Dave doesn’t have residual bitterness from Davesprite breakup.

Jade is alone for 3 years ... but apparently still becomes grimbark on arriving.

And, of course,

GAME OVER cannot happen as shown. Whee!

Have you got other changes?

#homestuck #retjohn #where are we now