Oh also, to hype up this app Smart Books even more (apparently its on app store as Parallel translations of books. Which. Yeah thats literally what it is and it's great:
Reading books in any language.Translation by clicking on a word or selected text
So in this app, it shows book statistics. Which I'm always fascinated by. Here's my current stats for Guardian:
It shows how fast I'm reading in words per minute, how often I'm looking up words (caveat here that I keep clicking some words I know reading wise for pinyin pronunciation), shows my progress (4% is pathetic but also impressive considering I restarted today and the book is over 100 chapters). It shows how long I have read total and I'm happy to say the timer does NOT count when you minimize the app or switch to other apps with it still open, making the time read quite accurate (and really calling out my ADHD for taking a break from reading every 5-20 minutes ToT). And it shows estimated time to finish the book. Which is a feature I love in any reading app. And I have to say, personally? I am VERY motivated to see the estimated time go DOWN. So when I see it, it motivates me to kick up my reading speed, and remember fucking words so I don't slow down to look them up again. I like motivation, so I love the estimated reading time. And a fun fact about Guardian, the audiobook is around 55 hours if I remember correctly. So the closer I get to seeing that estimated remaining time go down to 55 hours, the closer I'm getting to spoken reading speed! I've already improved a lot as when I started reading it estimated 98 hours, now after a bit of reading its estimating 72 hours. Huge improvement. (And yes, if you load a Chinese novel in this app you'll be hit by the reality a fuck ton of Chinese web novels are from 20 hours for SHORT SHORT ones to 100+ hours to read... for a fast reader). For comparison, I'm also reading 坏小孩 which is only 124k words compared to Guardian at 304k words... and 坏孩子 is estimating ill finish reading it in 28 hours (I think it's audiobook is 20 hours so that's at spoken reading speed).
And Guardian word statistics:
This fun word statistics area lists the words by order of how often they appear, so its great for if you want to pre-study vocabulary for a book. Or if you want to review common words in it. Or if you're curious how MANY fucking unique words are in a book. Fun fact, 坏小孩 has around 8000 unique words, compared to Guardian's 16,740 unique words. Despite this, I find 坏小孩 harder cause apparently of my lexicon of Chinese words I know how to read, it's mostly words priest uses. And the 坏小孩 author uses a word I am not familiar with about every 20 words ;-; to be fair, Guardian leans heavier into case investigatkom stories/supernatural which is the bulk of Other novels I've read too. Whereas 坏小孩 has many more every day words for card games, school, building descriptions, orphanages, which I do not read about as much.
Anyway my point is: this app is free and pretty dang useful if you're trying to read a language you're learning. It generates parallel texts!
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Using this tool to determine unique amount of words in a text (and generating a vocabulary list). Since it can’t handle a huge amount of input I’m just going to do maybe a chapter or half a chapter of each story and see the result: http://www.zhtoolkit.com/apps/wordlist/create-list.cgi
This tool is useful for figuring out how difficult a text is compared to something else you’ve read, and it generates word lists! So you have something to study from (if you aren’t using Pleco, want like a Graded Reader experience with intensive reading word lists, etc). You can think of meanU as the “easiness rating” - the higher it is the easier the text is to read.
**This list gets long below the cut, but will hopefully help serve as a reference. For a rough estimate I’d say anything from 1.9+ seems to be manageable for someone who knows HSK 4 words and is using a click-dictionary (like Pleco, Zhongwen Chrome Extension, Mandarinspot.com Annotator Bookmarklet, eReader dictionary, etc). Some ~1.9 ones are easier or harder depending on genre familiarity. For example I think 论如何错误地套路一个魔教教主 is extremely easy if you’re used to wuxia genre as its very simple for the genre, versus something like 魔道祖师, also if wuxia vocab isn’t an issue for you then priest novels like 天涯客 tend to be easier than 镇魂). For ease’s sake, ones 2+ seem to be the most ‘doable’ for actual extensive reading though. Again, this depends on which genres you’re more familiar with - but in general the ones scored 2+ below are novels I had more success reading without dictionary lookup in general.
Anything marked *** I would recommend as ‘easier,’ and anything as ** I would recommend as possibly easier depending on your genre familiarity.
Update: I have gone through this list and now most text samples analyzed were generally between 1900-2100 words, so now the scores should be more comparable. While a 1.9 may or may not be easy based on your level, in general if something is scored lower it will still be harder and if scored higher will still be ‘easier’ than a 1.9. Your genre familiarity will also affect things. So when looking for “similar difficulty” material and “slightly” harder or easier, these scores should hopefully be a bit more useful now.
* Unique unknown is the count of the Chinese words not in the public common word filter, nor in your user known word list
* meanU is the average frequency of all words. Here, it is the average of the log(10) frequencies. It is a very rough measure of text difficulty. A value of ~1.9 is somewhat difficult, and ~2.6 is probably easier. (Ref: [http://www.soc.cornell.edu/hayes-lexical-analysis/])
First, novels I’ve heard recommended as ‘easier’ to read:
***小王子
Characters:3196
Word Count:2192
Unique Words:744 (33.9%)
Unique unknown*:608 (81.7%)
meanU(log10)*:2.004
**So it’s ease rating is 2, fairly easy! That makes sense, at least based on my experience reading it right now.
***地图 by 倪匡
Characters:3005
Word Count:2094
Unique Words:681 (32.5%)
Unique unknown*:551 (80.9%)
meanU(log10)*:2.072
**This author was recommended as very approachable on chinese learning forums, sci-fi short stories (around 100 pages per story) for people who know HSK 4+. (Also again shout out to this text analyzer tool because the vocabulary lists it generates are super useful for looking through ahead of a reading to help prepare).
***他们的故事 by 一根黄瓜丝儿
Characters:3085
Word Count:2172
Unique Words:730 (33.6%)
Unique unknown*:613 (84.0%)
meanU(log10)*:2.008
**Score of 2 makes sense, it was the first webnovel I was able to read (with the help of Pleco Reader click-definitions). It’s definitely on the easier side. If there’s unknown words in this, a huge portion of them are very common daily life words or simple novel description words so they were worth learning for me.
***论如何错误地套路一个魔教教主
Characters:2403
Word Count:1766
Unique Words:691 (39.1%)
Unique unknown*:565 (81.8%)
meanU(log10)*:1.962
**This is The Wrong Way To A Demon Sect Leader and I recommend it hands down as an intro wuxia or bl novel. The reading is actually fairly easy, and if its not then learning any of the words here are pretty basic wuxia genre words you will keep using. (Also its a great listening reading method novel to do since its audiobook matches perfectly to the text, and it’s english translation is pretty literal).
我和我的四个伴舞 by 娜可露露
Characters:3587
Word Count:2547
Unique Words:978 (38.4%)
Unique unknown*:840 (85.9%)
meanU(log10)*:1.899
**Harder rating than I expected it to be given it was recommended to me lol.
魔尊总是要抱抱 by 杨乔萝
Characters:2633
Word Count:1861
Unique Words:845 (45.4%)
Unique unknown*:718 (85.0%)
meanU(log10)*:1.901
**I had a hard time figuring out if this is the novel Demon Wants a Hug manhua is based on, or if its another novel. ToT I’d personally rate this as an ‘easier’ read, because after ttwtadsl, I remember this novel’s chapter 1 was doable without a dictionary.
迪奥先生 by 绿野千鹤
Characters:2564
Word Count:1784
Unique Words:851 (47.7%)
Unique unknown*:732 (86.0%)
meanU(log10)*:1.835
**Recommended to me as “easy.” On the upside, its ease rating is better than hanshe.
碎玉投珠 by 北南
Characters:2896
Word Count:2164
Unique Words:879 (40.6%)
Unique unknown*:752 (85.6%)
meanU(log10)*:1.874
**This was recommended to me as “easy.”
寒舍 by 夏灬安兰
Characters:2988
Word Count:2027
Unique Words:895 (44.2%)
Unique unknown*:777 (86.8%)
meanU(log10)*:1.833
**I find it interesting this is marked as a 1.8. I found it easier to read than any priest novels. I am currently reading it with a click-dictionary (Pleco Reader). At first chapters took me 1.5 hours to read, and now they take me 20 minutes. Part of what makes hanshe ‘easier’ than it should be, is it has sets of chapters all focusing in one main setting each - so the vocabulary can get specialized but then its repeated frequently and learned fairly easily with context over time.
Comparing some well known novels:
镇魂
Characters:3159
Word Count:2081
Unique Words:954 (45.8%)
Unique unknown*:815 (85.4%)
meanU(log10)*:1.911
**Scored as theoretically a little easier than hanshe. Almost the same score as Demon Wants A Hug - but I’d argue zhenhun is a lot more difficult than that novel. So these scores aren’t perfect lol. I think hanshe is a little easier than zhenhun - but I do think hanshe was good prep reading for zhenhun.
默读
Characters:2963
Word Count:2056
Unique Words:1016 (49.4%)
Unique unknown*:881 (86.7%)
meanU(log10)*:1.784
**Marked as a bit harder than zhenhun (chapter 1 anyway). I feel they’re more similar in difficulty. For me they feel similar to read - but modu sometimes has more descriptions (although if you’re less familiar with crime genre novels, this will probably be more challenging - whereas zhenhun is harder if you’re less familiar with supernatural genre).
破云
Characters:2943
Word Count:2068
Unique Words:998 (48.3%)
Unique unknown*:862 (86.4%)
meanU(log10)*:1.835
**I have tried to read the first chapter of Poyun and found it a bit harder than hanshe.
**天涯客
Characters:2920
Word Count:2095
Unique Words:874 (41.7%)
Unique unknown*:744 (85.1%)
meanU(log10)*:1.878
**I personally found tian ya ke a bit harder than hanshe, and a bit easier than guardian and modu. If you’re going to read a priest novel, this is one of the easier ones.
魔道祖师 (MDZS)
Characters:3020
Word Count:2158
Unique Words:952 (44.1%)
Unique unknown*:811 (85.2%)
meanU(log10)*:1.827
***人渣反派自救系统 (SVSSS)
Characters:2552
Word Count:1796
Unique Words:905 (50.4%)
Unique unknown*:765 (84.5%)
meanU(log10)*:1.900
**I’ve read a few chapters and I would say yes 1.9 is a fair estimate. I found it a bit harder than ttwtadsl, but easier than mdzs. If you plan to read this genre more, this is pretty approachable for the genre (as far as xianxia terms, I found this easier to follow than mdzs for example).
一受封疆 by 殿前欢
Characters:2871
Word Count:2119
Unique Words:989 (46.7%)
Unique unknown*:855 (86.5%)
meanU(log10)*:1.863
残次品
Characters:2743
Word Count:1776
Unique Words:940 (52.9%)
Unique unknown*:805 (85.6%)
meanU(log10)*:1.811
**Can Ci Pin is likely harder than this estimate, since its a sci fi with futuristic words.
***SCI谜案集第一部
Characters:2855
Word Count:1986
Unique Words:773 (38.9%)
Unique unknown*:645 (83.4%)
meanU(log10)*:1.973
**I haven’t read any of this, but I’d recommend it as potentially easier - like ttwtadsl it has a ton of really short chapters, which I think makes each individual section feel a bit easier.
***盗墓笔记1
Characters:2954
Word Count:2149
Unique Words:756 (35.2%)
Unique unknown*:635 (84.0%)
meanU(log10)*:1.992
**Keep in mind the more words I put into the tool, the higher the difficulty gets period. I’d say dmbj is an easier read like svsss - its somewhat challenging but not like priest novels.
**活着
Characters:2866
Word Count:2056
Unique Words:815 (39.6%)
Unique unknown*:690 (84.7%)
meanU(log10)*:1.895
**Considered one of the “easiest” books for people to read starting out in chinese, it did not get the easiest score (compared to the 2+ ones). I have not tried to read it. That said, it is only around ten chapters so its a much more approachable choice than some longer texts.
***许三观卖血记
Characters:2741
Word Count:2123
Unique Words:499 (23.5%)
Unique unknown*:391 (78.4%)
meanU(log10)*:2.132
**This is by the same author as above 余华. I’m recommending this one over the other one though, for two reasons. First, this scored MUCH higher on reading ‘ease.’ Second, I just read the first chapter and it IS incredibly easy to read - it felt like the next step after a graded reader, very few unknown words. Pretty much anything on this list above a 2 is probably going to be the easiest.
***一级律师[星际] by 木苏里
Characters:2558
Word Count:1729
Unique Words:760 (44.0%)
Unique unknown*:639 (84.1%)
meanU(log10)*:1.956
**This was highly recommended to me, along with modu and poyun as good mystery stories.
**(瓶邪同人)所谓一切发生在网配+番外 (dmbj fanfic)
Characters:2729
Word Count:1910
Unique Words:808 (42.3%)
Unique unknown*:679 (84.0%)
meanU(log10)*:1.947
夜半衣寒 by 夏灬安兰
Characters:3085
Word Count:2122
Unique Words:832 (39.2%)
Unique unknown*:716 (86.1%)
meanU(log10)*:1.875
***他来了, 请闭眼 by 丁墨
Characters:2270
Word Count:1615
Unique Words:744 (46.1%)
Unique unknown*:614 (82.5%)
meanU(log10)*:1.962
**I am happy to report this one has a pretty high ‘ease’ score, and this is an author I was highly recommended so maybe I’ll check out their novels for a while.
**如果蜗牛有爱情 by 丁墨
Characters:2766
Word Count:1968
Unique Words:896 (45.5%)
Unique unknown*:762 (85.0%)
meanU(log10)*:1.927
美人为馅 by 丁墨
Characters:3175
Word Count:2201
Unique Words:1018 (46.3%)
Unique unknown*:891 (87.5%)
meanU(log10)*:1.808
**女将军和长公主
Characters:4428
Word Count:3090
Unique Words:645 (20.9%)
Unique unknown*:522 (80.9%)
meanU(log10)*:1.984
**I haven’t read any of Female General and Eldest Princess, but this is a pretty high ease rating, and its the only gl novel I put on the list. So definitely worth checking out if you feel like reading! Also I imagine a lot of hard words will be common ones for the genre since its rating of ease is ‘higher’ so they’re probably worth learning.
**全職高手 (The King’s Avatar)
Characters:3067
Word Count:2171
Unique Words:772 (35.6%)
Unique unknown*:637 (82.5%)
meanU(log10)*:1.989
桃花债 (Peach Blossom Debt)
Characters:2828
Word Count:2114
Unique Words:920 (43.5%)
Unique unknown*:786 (85.4%)
meanU(log10)*:1.858
**I did not expect this one to score as ‘difficult’ tbh. When I’ve read pieces of it, its somewhat manageable without a dictionary.
**琉璃美人煞 (The Glass Maiden, Love and Redemption novel)
Characters:2752
Word Count:2004
Unique Words:810 (40.4%)
Unique unknown*:678 (83.7%)
meanU(log10)*:1.929
**As far as xianxia go, this is the only one I’ve read a bit of, and I did not find it too difficult - not easy, but manageable especially if you use a click-dictionary. (Also for listening reading method, the english translation is pretty literal, the audiobook matches to the text well - it just doesn’t match the chapter endings).
圈子圈套
Characters:2909
Word Count:2082
Unique Words:761 (36.6%)
Unique unknown*:641 (84.2%)
meanU(log10)*:1.977
**Generally considered one of the ‘easier’ novels to read along with huozhe. When I lowered the word sample it was close to 2, when I increased the word sample it was 1.7.
***笑猫日记: 会唱歌的猫
Characters:2551
Word Count:1816
Unique Words:587 (32.3%)
Unique unknown*:474 (80.7%)
meanU(log10)*:2.035
**First: recommending this for easier material - its one of the only other ones to score above 2. I read 3 chapters this week, and it is definitely easier reading material - it feels a little bit easier than 小王子 and decently easier than 他们的故事 (bl novel not gl manhua). This is one of the novels on this list that truly feels like a ‘next step’ after graded readers. So I highly recommend this one. Also like 他们的故事, a lot of its words are daily life words one would find useful about growing up, families, park and nature words, people/objects/places in cities. And its more specific words while a bit niche about animals and plants, so far I have all found very applicable - poodle, parrot, minya bird (which pops up in several cdramas I’ve seen), mouse, cat, gingko tree (one of the few trees I know the name of in english too).
Second: How many words you put in definitely affects the tool’s scoring - when I put in around 2000 words this was scored as 2, when I put in 3000 it was scored as 1.9.
***流星·蝴蝶·剑 by Gu Long
Characters:2954
Word Count:2188
Unique Words:755 (34.5%)
Unique unknown*:629 (83.3%)
meanU(log10)*:2.015
**Also highly recommending this as easier material if you want to get into wuxia - I read one chapter of this last night without a dictionary.
***那些年我們一起追的女孩
Characters:2645
Word Count:1844
Unique Words:803 (43.5%)
Unique unknown*:660 (82.2%)
meanU(log10)*:1.955
**I’d highly recommend this as easier material - it was one of the readings in a mandarin book club I was a part of, is genuinely SHORT, and is genuinely lower on the difficulty scale.
***一个钢镚儿
Characters:1965
Word Count:1361
Unique Words:580 (42.6%)
Unique unknown*:474 (81.7%)
meanU(log10)*:2.030
**I haven’t read this but marking it as a great choice, it easily scored above 2.
***撒野
Characters:2911
Word Count:2072
Unique Words:701 (33.8%)
Unique unknown*:583 (83.2%)
meanU(log10)*:1.980
**I will probably try this one as its scored pretty easy.
那些風花雪月
Characters:2409
Word Count:1673
Unique Words:735 (43.9%)
Unique unknown*:615 (83.7%)
meanU(log10)*:1.885
**This one I wanted to run for fun lol. this was once recced as one of the “easiest” novels to read. Well I found it to be extremely hard to read - looks like it wasn’t just me. Even at a low word count of text sample, its rating is 1.8.
**叛逆者
Characters:2821
Word Count:1952
Unique Words:849 (43.5%)
Unique unknown*:718 (84.6%)
meanU(log10)*:1.898
Adding The Rebel because Zhu Yilong’s about to star in the show based on it, and an english translation already exists. While its ranked as a bit harder at 1.9ish, this novel is very short (13 chapters I believe). So the time commitment is much shorter (compared to hanshe’s 155 chapters).
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This tool’s score seems HIGHLY dependent on how many words you put in. I’d say aim around the same word amount for each sample if you want to compare the results better - I clearly did Not do that and I think that’s part of why there’s so much variance between 1.7-1.9 between some materials I think the difficulty would be different on. Based on that, I’d say ones where I put high amounts of text samples in and STILL scored high are probably some of the easiest! And ones with high amounts of text samples that slid down into 1.7~1.8 may not actually be quite as difficult. (EDIT: I have just gone through this and taken ~1900-2100 word length samples of each to try and make the ‘ease’ ratings more comparable).
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I am a bit sad by how few novels actually got a score of 2 or above. Does anyone have any “easier” webnovel/novel recommendations I can look into? I could do an analysis for a few more.
hey anyone learning japanese - do you have any recommendations for Reader tools?
As in tools where you can click for word definitions, for txt documents, webnovels (websites), pdfs? For the computer, or for the phone? Any Reader apps?
I primarily read on my phone or on paper, so I’m mainly looking for apps or web browser tools that will work on a phone web browser. Though I don’t know of ANY japanese reader tools so please if you know of computer ones let me know. (I know of LingQ app but I do not want to use it if possible, since its definitions were iffy for chinese and I imagine the same is true for japanese, also it cost $12 a month).
I know of https://www.japanese.io/ but I have never used it, and I’m not sure how much you can do with the free version.
I know of Idiom app - but it only works with websites, and its definitions can sometimes be iffy (great alternative to LingQ though since I find the quality of definitions is similar, but this app is free)
I can use imiwa dictionary app to copy/paste in text, and get an annotation of the definition of words below it. That’s not the same as a quick click-definition for just unknown words though.
Also any recommended sites to find novels TO access and read? I know about https://www.aozora.gr.jp/ for novels, and http://aozoraroudoku.jp/ thanks to @yue-muffin. But not of any others, like modern webnovels etc.
reddit post: Free Books, TV Channels, and YT Vids W/ Transcripts For Most Languages
youtube videos with transcripts (i went in and there’s a ton of cdramas - its under audio-visual tools): zerotohero.ca
zerotohero also has some book links with audio (under reading tools you can either paste your own text, or click Library) https://www.zerotohero.ca/en/zh/reader
openlibrary.org - Internet Archive > Books > Books by Language
specific shows/novels
*the tool seems to be the same as using “Learn Languages with Netflix” or using some click-dictionary on your web browser while viewing the youtube show transcript (which you can do in youtube website) so it depends on your preference
The Long Night ep 1 (bai yu): https://www.zerotohero.ca/en/zh/youtube/view/HqODiKTH8a4/
The Sleuth of Ming Dynasty: https://www.zerotohero.ca/en/zh/youtube/view/YkPi-wHM8SY/
The Untamed: https://www.zerotohero.ca/en/zh/youtube/view/BfKhREVFLkQ/
Princess! You have five husbands! https://www.zerotohero.ca/en/zh/youtube/view/qzSGZ4r9qlk/
Ancient Detective: https://www.zerotohero.ca/en/zh/youtube/view/FNigIiQRC0g/
I am going to again mention Mandarinspot.com because it is so useful, and free.
I use their Annotation Bookmarklet on my phone - it allows you to click words for definitions when on your phone browser. It is not an installed app, its just a bookmark you save. Then when on a chinese page you want to read, you click the Annotation Bookmarklet bookmark link, and then the tool works on the page and you can start clicking any chinese word for a translation.
It works on any web browser - any phone, any tablet, any computer. It’s free and its not a download. While I like Pleco Reader more for bookmarking pages/saving words/audio dictation, MandarinSpot’s free Annotation Bookmarklet is great for when I am on a device without Pleco and I don’t want to download something (Zhongwen Chrome Extension also can do click-definitions but requires me to use chrome AND download... and I prefer not to download things when possible).
I just tried the Annotation Bookmarklet on the computer, because I haven’t before. And not only does it still provide click-definitions, it also provides pinyin or zhuyin (you pick) above each word! Which is nice for checking I’m remembering word pronunciations correctly, or for learning the pinyin for new words. On the phone, at least last time I used it, it only showed pinyin when you clicked definitions (which is also fine for learning new words/double checking pronunciation).
The fact computer version gives full pinyin over everything just means way less steep of a learning curve for beginners who might want to break into reading!
MandarinSpot also has an on-its-website tool you can copy and paste text into for dictionary annotation with pinyin, if you prefer to copy and paste instead of use a bookmark: https://mandarinspot.com/annotate
Their copy-paste tool has a lot of options. (It’s show chinese only, where you click and it will show definition and pinyin for individual words, is how the mobile Annotation Bookmarklet works)
Mandarinspot also has a LINKS page to other resources (some nice and some out of date): https://mandarinspot.com/links
Notable is Chinese Reading Practice - a site with free reading material graded to various reading levels. It has some story and vocabulary notes, popup dictionary for all words, pinyin can be turned on and off, and english translation can be hidden or viewed next to the chinese. I’ve used this site before and it was great. http://chinesereadingpractice.com/
Also, Slow Chinese Podcast. A podcast spoken in slow chinese, aimed at learners. I’ve also used this before and it was nice. The current place it is hosted is a mirror site, as the original no longer works: https://kitchenknif.github.io/SlowChinese/menu/about.html
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