asoiaf fandom: Rhaegar was sooo horrible to Elia and her children. To be pro-Martell is to be anti-Targaryen
Martells in the books: "Vengeance, Justice, Fire and Blood." Hold Tywin and Robert culpable for the murders of Elia and her children (the actual child murderers) and have been trying to restore Rhaegar's brother and sister to the throne.
asoiaf fandom: The North deserves independence! No matter what, they should never kneel!
In the books:
Ned: Put the previous king on the throne, plotting to put Stannis on throne when he's killed
Robb: Was about to back Stannis until Greatjon proclaims him King
Greatjon: "It was the dragons we married and the dragons are dead, why shouldn't we rule ourselves?"
Jon: Happily supplying battleplans to Stannis and mentally supporting him
Sansa & Arya & Bran: never once think of northern independence, are forming/formed close connections with people from the south
House of Undying: Shows Robb's fight for independence as one another thing tearing westeros apart, no more morally good than the others
asoiaf fandom: Everyone must hate Rhaegar for being the worst person ever!
In the books:
Ned: Would Rhaegar have gone to brothels like Robert? I don't think so
Oberyn: *doesn't speak a single bad word against Rhaegar, goes to sign a pact agreeing to marry his niece to Rhaegar's brother*
#Northman 1 Jorah: You saved those women from being raped, Khaleesi? You are just like your brother Rhaegar
#Northman 2 Manderly speaking on Rhaegar Frey (derogatory): That smirking worm that wears a dragon's name!
Cersei & Jon Con & Ser Barristan & Jaime in chorus: We love Rhaegar. The wrong man came back from the Trident.
asoiaf fandom: Lyanna was an innocent victim preyed on and assaulted. Even if she loved Rhaegar in the beginning, she'd grown to hate him by the end!
In the books:
Ned: Lyanna had wolfblood, it led her to an early grave
Ned: Lyanna had clutched the blue rose petals until the very last moment until she died
Le Jon being conceived half a year upwards after Brandon and Rickard's deaths (he looks similar in age to Robb and Robb was conceived after their deaths, Ned going to north getting banners raised, then going down to riverrun)
asoiaf fandom: No matter what the truth is, Jon will always be Ned's son, he will always be a Stark! He will reject his Targ identity and only be Ned's son!
In the books:
Ned: If it came to that, the life of some child I did not know, against Robb and Sansa and Arya and Bran and Rickon, what would I do? *crickets on Jon*
Also Ned in KL: Ohh look at that, that tall lad looks about Robb's age, Loras Tyrell looks Robb's age, I wish I could be back in Winterfell hearing Bran's laugh, going hawking with Robb, watch Rickon play (again crickets on Jon except for shameful guilty thoughts)
Sansa & Arya & Bran: Jon is our brother but he isn't one of us, he isn't a Stark
Summer on Ghost: There were five of us and one other (meaning Ghost)
Stark Kings in Winterfell crypts yelling at Jon: Go away! You have no place here, you are not a Stark!!
asoiaf fandom: Jon is going to hate Targaryens, he is nothing like the Targs, all his qualities solely come from Ned and the Starks!
In the books:
Jon: My hero has always been Daeron the young dragon!
Maester Aemon to Jon *stroking his cheek*: You remind me of my brother, Aegon V
Jon: loves maester aemon dearly as his own grandpa, Bloodraven sidequesting as a raven to watch over his great-nephew Jon, Daenerys on her way to come give Jon a dragon and be his big damned love
Moqorro: I see dragons, true and false (Jon and Aegon)
Ser Barristan on Rhaegar: "Able, that above all. Determined, deliberate, dutiful, single-minded." (if this doesn't exactly describe ADWD!Jon I don't know what does. Especially single-minded, oh boy is he)
asoiaf fandom: Nobody wants Dany in Westeros or Essos! She should stay away!
In the books:
Sam & Maester Aemon & Maester Marwyn: We need to bring Dany to Westeros asap
Other Maesters of Citadel: We need to send a Maester to Dany asap!
Ironborn: We need to bring Dany here asap
Martells: We need to bring Dany here asap
Tyrion: We need to bring Dany to Westeros asap
Melisandre, Stannis and his whole group: Wish we had the power to wake dragons out of stone! If only there was someone who could do just that
Slaves of Old Volantis: Tell the dragon queen to come soon, tell her we are waiting
Jon on the Wall: Would that we had dragons here
