hello anne, noted urianger script scholar: do you know if urianger ever really uses "ye" as a second person plural pronoun? there's some possibility it might have happened in arr (when the tone was less consistent), but i don't know if i recall it happening shb onwards...
I'm deeply touched by that descriptor and shall do my best to live up to it. š³ So, with the caveat, of course, that there's so much dialogue in this game that it's really difficult to search comprehensively, and "ye" is a particularly difficult word to CTRL+F and get any kind of useful results, especially when a lot of other side characters (particularly Limsans) use "ye" as singular "you"...
To the best of my knowledge (and I'm always interested to see canon I've missed!), the simple answer is no. When Urianger does use second person plural (which is surprisingly little, as so much of his dialogue is one-on-one even after he takes a more active role in the plot), he seems to use "you."
One example is in "Keeping the Flame Alive," when the WoL returns to the Waking Sands with Alphinaud after rescuing Raubahn, and Urianger exclaims, "My dearest friends! Praise be unto the Twelve for delivering you from the clutches of treachery," where he's speaking to both the WoL and Alphinaud.
There's also this neato bit of "Pre-Calamity Dialogue" on the GamerEscape wiki which I can only assume is from a scene in 1.0 where he's doing his doomsayer routine in a public place, which also seems to use plural you: "Hear my words if you are in search of truth..."
So far, I haven't found any examples of him using "ye" in ARR, the inconsistencies therein being more in the vein of the writers slipping into modern English verb forms by mistake, and not knowing the correct usage of "thine."
There is one place I can think of that plural "ye" does appear in Urianger's dialogue and it's in those lines of prophecy he quotes on the docks as the Scions are setting forth for Kugane:
Look ye where the sun doth rise, see crimson embers, dark'ning skies...
Look ye where the sun doth fall, see azure lost amidst the squall.
These are of course not his own words (he says it's a prophecy "of Far Eastern origin" and in-universe I'll presume it's a translation at that), but it's interesting in its own right as it indicates that there is some era of Eorzean language that may be represented in English as using plural "ye"--just not the era Urianger favors. Do with that what you will!
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okay now i am desperately curious to know your canon on what happened in between xforce annual 1999 and xfi #43!! your brain is massive and good
YES okay sorry this took me so long I was gathering my thoughts.Ā so I recently have been giving this a lot of thought but I havenāt really got a concrete Sequence of Events. anyways so annual 1999 isnāt chronologically the last time we see him before xfi #43 because (I am fairly sure) it takes place before xforce #76 (which is the one whereĀ āstar and domino fight in madripoor while rictor is held hostage). it doesnāt REALLY matter though. the next time you see shatterstar is in the x-force shatterstar miniseries (2005) which is followed chronologically by x-force volume 2 (2004). then after that you donāt see him until xfi #43 (2009).
as before do me a favor and donāt reblog thanks. here we go:
**technically he shows up in civil war: xmen (2006) and I think 1 issue of cable and deadpool (?) but its really not relevant to the plot.
so the way I see it is hereās what happened: rictor and shatterstar left xforce in xforce #70 and went to mexico to take down the richter family arms dealing operation. they also wanted to get some space from xforce to figure their shit out. which, I have to say, going on a crusade against a whole bunch of arms dealers is not the ideal setting for working out your relationship but hey, what do I know. this goes on for a bit, and things actually go pretty well which can be seen by the fact that they shared a bed in xforce annual 1999 :)
I actually think a fairly significant amount of time passes and its not just nonstop fight guys destroy guns like they have some really nice, almost normal time together, and this is the time where their relationship develops the most!
until eventually the thing goes down in oaxaca where rictor gets captured and arcade takes shatterstar to madripoor to fight against domino (this is in xforce #76). after this they carry on for a bit but it starts to get hard because A) rictor feels like a liability (Classic. I love him so much you know I just wish he loved himself some more) and B) ric is worried āstar is only still with him because itās all he (āstar) knows and it makes ric doubt whether their relationship is real or just a product of being stuck together through so much shit.
eventually ric is basically likeĀ āyou gotta leave me and figure out who you are beyond meā but (ric doesnāt realize this) shatterstar kind of already did after that the first time ric left in xforce #45 (and this is something Iāve actually given A LOT of thought to). like he kind of had to because of the whole ben russell stuff, doubting his identity gave him the space to think about what it means to have an identity in the first place. like after the initial āwhat the fuckā of it all its like coming to accept that whether his life on mojoworld was real or not, he is still a whole person with possibly a whole future and he gets to decide how it goes.
unfortunately 'star doesnāt really have the skills to communicate this in a way rictor will understand. like he canāt explain how he really HASĀ become his own person because he still kind of doesnāt understand the whole benjamin deal and also lacks the proper words to explain how it is for him to be who he is, so they have this whole argument and rictor is likeĀ āyou donāt care about me you've just learned what it looks like to care about someone and youāre imitating it with me because I am the only thing thatās familiar to youā and long story short they go their separate ways. Pain.
shatterstar ends up drifting for awhile and then going back to madripoor voluntarily because xforce is all people he doesnt know (this is at the end of v1 when the team gets completely different) and hes like well I guess I can fight. and a LOT happens here I havenāt expanded much but he spends a while just doing fights and stuff and the only sort of concrete event I have is that He eventually loses in a hair match (like in wrestling) and they shave his head. which is why he has short hair in xfi because I REFUSE to believe he would do that voluntarily.
also at some point here the whole shit goes down with the fuckin uhhh blade of whatever in the xforce shatterstar miniseries and also he goes to the alternate universe where spiral has taken over. this is xforce volume 2 which is genuinely a garbage comic. even by rob liefeld standards, it fucking sucks. the xforce shatterstar mini has some redeeming qualities like theĀ ālight pierces my eyes and Iāve returned to the coliseumā bit as well asĀ āi force my body to yield, to ignore every impulse, demanding that I bury my sword within this mans chest. ending his life in the most violent way possibleā which is a really good illustration of A) how far heās come and B) how much heās going through it right now.
I also do want to bring up one thing about xforce volume 2. thereās a bit where he says āif I am to be such a failure as a man, then let me succeed as a weapon of mass destructionā and later he saysĀ ā...as much of a posturing fool as I amā and I have read every shatterstar comic multiple times and this is literally the only example I know of where he talks about himself in such a self-deprecating way. this is why I think things were seriously fucked for him between annual 1999 and xfi 43. I think he and rictor definitely had some kind of falling out or breakup and itās largely because the way he is in the 2005 mini and xforce v2 are soooooooo .... itās like he regresses back to the way he was in very early xforce but with added edgelord moments. like he talks about failing to learn to be human and failing to be more than a weapon and yes this can be explained easily by the fact that these are liefeld books but. I choose to interpret meaning where there likely is none. that post about skateboarding up a flight of stairs, you know?
anyways, some more time passes, he ends up with domino somehow and they do some shit in the civil war: xmen mini and then after that I havenāt really figured it out but eventually he gets cortexād and then you have xfactor #43. I do think that since cortex is a madrox dupe and madrox knew about rictor and shatterstarās relationship it is likely that cortex soughtĀ āstar out specifically to Get rictor in that storyline. but idk.
yeah thatās.... thats it. thatās all I got for now.
picked a track i thought jean-luc would appreciate and got to recording. all credit to @plounce for the og text i just made a few changes so it would fit the track i chose & additions for fun. please excuse the malinois noises in the back & the shitty recording quality & honestly all of it
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(spoken)
number one!
letās go.
engage!
come a little closer to my star trek bed
pull down my starfleet issue pants to give me head
pussy bald and wise, like jean-luc picard
this moral quandary is kinda hard
pussy gloopy, just like odo
in my space polycule iām never solo
pussy straaapped, like jadzia
targeted political terrorism? major kira
we be fuckin so // space nine
i like your wormhole, wanna see mine?
thanks for bangin to this star trek rap
feel free to take a nap
or i could put on, like, an episode of deep space nine and we could make din-
oh. you donāt like deep space nine? okay, um, maybe it is best that you just...