anyways I'm thinking about how longshot has had his memory wiped so many times and in particular in longshot 1985 after he gets captured on mojoworld and separated from rita and I am almost certain if shatterstar were to tell him he's his son longshot's reaction would probably just be "Cool! :)" so shatterstar would tell alison first, even if he knew alison wasn't his mother. he would tell alison because he knows she loves longshot and understands what it is like to love him. and she would say "well, I guess that makes me your mother," and he would start to explain how no, actually but she would interrupt him. "that makes me me your mother."
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okay I think my final verdict on the whole parentage thing is that you guys are right ben russell is the biological child of rita and longshot he was born on mojoworld but transported to earth as part of a deal that involved rita volunteering herself to be turned into spiral but before he was transported to earth he was cloned by the mojoworld genetic engineers and one of those clones is shatterstar. sorry I can't get on board with the two of them not having identical (or near-identical) DNA
like specifically. okay this is going to be very rushed because I have zoom therapy in 9 minutes now and also its been a minute since I reread longshot (1985) so forgive me if the lore is slightly off but imagine if when rita was captured on mojoworld after she went there with longshot in longshot (1985) she found out she was pregnant while imprisoned (because if I remember correctly they don't immediately turn her into spiral, she's imprisoned for some amount of time) but longshot who is the father obviously had already forgotten who she was and she volunteered herself for modification and let them turn her into spiral in exchange for them saving her child. like. I haven't fully thought this through but imagine. I can't think about spiral for more than like 5 minutes at a time without absolutely losing my shit is the problem
okay now i am desperately curious to know your canon on what happened in between xforce annual 1999 and xfi #43!! your brain is massive and good
YES okay sorry this took me so long I was gathering my thoughts. so I recently have been giving this a lot of thought but I havenât really got a concrete Sequence of Events. anyways so annual 1999 isnât chronologically the last time we see him before xfi #43 because (I am fairly sure) it takes place before xforce #76 (which is the one where âstar and domino fight in madripoor while rictor is held hostage). it doesnât REALLY matter though. the next time you see shatterstar is in the x-force shatterstar miniseries (2005) which is followed chronologically by x-force volume 2 (2004). then after that you donât see him until xfi #43 (2009).
as before do me a favor and donât reblog thanks. here we go:
**technically he shows up in civil war: xmen (2006) and I think 1 issue of cable and deadpool (?) but its really not relevant to the plot.
so the way I see it is hereâs what happened: rictor and shatterstar left xforce in xforce #70 and went to mexico to take down the richter family arms dealing operation. they also wanted to get some space from xforce to figure their shit out. which, I have to say, going on a crusade against a whole bunch of arms dealers is not the ideal setting for working out your relationship but hey, what do I know. this goes on for a bit, and things actually go pretty well which can be seen by the fact that they shared a bed in xforce annual 1999 :)
I actually think a fairly significant amount of time passes and its not just nonstop fight guys destroy guns like they have some really nice, almost normal time together, and this is the time where their relationship develops the most!
until eventually the thing goes down in oaxaca where rictor gets captured and arcade takes shatterstar to madripoor to fight against domino (this is in xforce #76). after this they carry on for a bit but it starts to get hard because A) rictor feels like a liability (Classic. I love him so much you know I just wish he loved himself some more) and B) ric is worried âstar is only still with him because itâs all he (âstar) knows and it makes ric doubt whether their relationship is real or just a product of being stuck together through so much shit.
eventually ric is basically like âyou gotta leave me and figure out who you are beyond meâ but (ric doesnât realize this) shatterstar kind of already did after that the first time ric left in xforce #45 (and this is something Iâve actually given A LOT of thought to). like he kind of had to because of the whole ben russell stuff, doubting his identity gave him the space to think about what it means to have an identity in the first place. like after the initial âwhat the fuckâ of it all its like coming to accept that whether his life on mojoworld was real or not, he is still a whole person with possibly a whole future and he gets to decide how it goes.
unfortunately 'star doesnât really have the skills to communicate this in a way rictor will understand. like he canât explain how he really HAS become his own person because he still kind of doesnât understand the whole benjamin deal and also lacks the proper words to explain how it is for him to be who he is, so they have this whole argument and rictor is like âyou donât care about me you've just learned what it looks like to care about someone and youâre imitating it with me because I am the only thing thatâs familiar to youâ and long story short they go their separate ways. Pain.
shatterstar ends up drifting for awhile and then going back to madripoor voluntarily because xforce is all people he doesnt know (this is at the end of v1 when the team gets completely different) and hes like well I guess I can fight. and a LOT happens here I havenât expanded much but he spends a while just doing fights and stuff and the only sort of concrete event I have is that He eventually loses in a hair match (like in wrestling) and they shave his head. which is why he has short hair in xfi because I REFUSE to believe he would do that voluntarily.
also at some point here the whole shit goes down with the fuckin uhhh blade of whatever in the xforce shatterstar miniseries and also he goes to the alternate universe where spiral has taken over. this is xforce volume 2 which is genuinely a garbage comic. even by rob liefeld standards, it fucking sucks. the xforce shatterstar mini has some redeeming qualities like the âlight pierces my eyes and Iâve returned to the coliseumâ bit as well as âi force my body to yield, to ignore every impulse, demanding that I bury my sword within this mans chest. ending his life in the most violent way possibleâ which is a really good illustration of A) how far heâs come and B) how much heâs going through it right now.
I also do want to bring up one thing about xforce volume 2. thereâs a bit where he says âif I am to be such a failure as a man, then let me succeed as a weapon of mass destructionâ and later he says â...as much of a posturing fool as I amâ and I have read every shatterstar comic multiple times and this is literally the only example I know of where he talks about himself in such a self-deprecating way. this is why I think things were seriously fucked for him between annual 1999 and xfi 43. I think he and rictor definitely had some kind of falling out or breakup and itâs largely because the way he is in the 2005 mini and xforce v2 are soooooooo .... itâs like he regresses back to the way he was in very early xforce but with added edgelord moments. like he talks about failing to learn to be human and failing to be more than a weapon and yes this can be explained easily by the fact that these are liefeld books but. I choose to interpret meaning where there likely is none. that post about skateboarding up a flight of stairs, you know?
anyways, some more time passes, he ends up with domino somehow and they do some shit in the civil war: xmen mini and then after that I havenât really figured it out but eventually he gets cortexâd and then you have xfactor #43. I do think that since cortex is a madrox dupe and madrox knew about rictor and shatterstarâs relationship it is likely that cortex sought âstar out specifically to Get rictor in that storyline. but idk.
yeah thatâs.... thats it. thatâs all I got for now.
the part about his name and his eye looking like a star made me so emotional. no stars on mojoworld.... *crying cat gif*
I know...I think they pick those names the way car companies on earth pick car names--kind of at random and just trying to think up something that sounds vaguely cool, but it just happened to fit after he got the glowing eye and learned what the stars are (there ARE stars in the mojoverse just not many and you just cant see them unless you are far away from the network because of light pollution and he wouldnât have seen them until he escaped)
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I wish I could infodump about my xforce-era shatterstar lore to someone but it genuinely would take me like 2 hours at least to explain everything like it is that detailed
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