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CAS: Of both Heaven and Earth, the nephilim answered to neither-- but their power was too great. They came to see themselves as...everything. Humans, angels, even God was beneath them. And so they rebelled-- they subjugated mankind... they took their war to the Gates of Heaven itself. Only God's intervention saved us.
12x19 script
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So humans and angels were regularly making with the bow chicka wow wow, huh?
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Hi! New fan here! Really love this story and it's now one of my top WIPs! So I've been reading through the thread in the forum and I'm just wondering who is Sarathiel and Hanael? Also, Gab can't have babies w/ Iain bc otherwise they would produce nephilim, right? And did Lucifer really loved Gab's other parent?
Welcome!
1. Sarethiel and Hanael are two of the other archangels. Sarethiel is a main character in a separate game that takes place concurrently as parts of SoS, so they will not be making much of an appearance. Using either of their names as tags should give you more on them, and if you find yourself with more questions, feel free to ask!
2. As an angel in good standing, any children would be considered Nephilim, yes. (Fallen is a different story. As for the shell, well, technicalities...)
3. Lucifer was certainly enamored with them. At one point he believed it to be love, though in retrospect he can’t differentiate between being in love with them or the idea of them and their child. He does not love them now, that he knows.
Theory as to why Cas couldn't heal the security guard. Other than angst related plot movement obviously.
We know that Jack, as an Nephil sired from an Archangel is stronger than angels, stronger in fact than Lucifer. Archangels are the most powerful supernatural creatures behind Chuck, Amara, the Empty & Death. We have seen snippets of their abilites over the seasons, probably some of the mosr impressive was the almost effortless reality-warping by Gabriel. So we can expect Jack to grow into powers of this range. But I think the most important reference to the power of an Archangel is an offhand comment by Castiel in season 4.18
Absolute.
Not limited, unrestrained, fixed, entire, irrevocable.
I believe this alludes to the fact that, being wholly different creatures from angels; Archangels channel the pure primordial energy of creation like Chuck. An angel, would be unable to reverse or modify in any way the power of an Archangel. Whether Jack's power cancels out Cas' or merely interferes with it, Cas would be unable to revive the guard.
Jack still has little control of his powers, it seems to be an innate reaction to stimulus and only slightly altered by his intent. It's easy to see how Jack could project a desire to stop the Ghoul which explodes as a wave of undirected, unfocused power. Even if he wanted to kill the Ghoul, he doesn't have the ability yes to target him. It took a large amount of effort for him to redirect the bullet which was aimed at Sam in the earlier episode.
So whether Jack wanted to stop or kill, his will essentially altered reality. Nothing short of another Archangel or Chuck could intere with this, presumably.
Jack ate the whole world?
I can't find a single one of my Jack+ cannibalism posts...stupid search function.
But if in 15x19 God!Jack did eat the entire world the same way he ate the Occultum ("to be in the Occultum, the Occultum must be in you"), then Belphagor and gods + eating was super foreshadowed in 15x03 The Rupture!
CASTIEL: He was using us-- he wanted to eat every last soul. To take over Hell, Earth. . . everything! That lands. But Dean digs his heels in--
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SPNwin had a nod to human-monster hybrids, too, about Ada's son: "Puppies grow into big bad wolves."
They eat everything.
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Endverse Cas and the Nephilim strategy
Based on later characterizations of Zachariah's powers, Endverse!Cas is probably Zachariah's fanfic.
Zachariah conceptualized this Castiel "mirror" as everything Dean hates in himself, of course.
But the orgies were Zach's assumption that Cas would become Master Strategician. In his mind, of course, Cas'd be trying to create Nephilim to win the war against Lucifer (and sadly, his grace is too damaged to inject).
Dean getting uncomfortable about the orgies was just an unexpected bonus (and quite illuminating).
EDIT: I do think Zachariah isn't that charitable though. He (a) thinks Cas is trash and (b) wants to scare the shit outta Dean by having Cas become what Dean thinks of himself*
The lore of this game is so interesting! Also how quickly do Nephilim grow up?
I’m glad you’re enjoying all the lore!
Nephilim physically mature in about five human years. It’s a matter of survival. They are capable of self-locomotion only a few hours after birth, and by the first year they are the equivalent of a seven year old child, for the most part. (Growth rate may vary).
Is there no way to help the Nephilm out of their madness and pain other than ending their existence?
Heaven sees them as rabid dogs. The only thing to do is put them down. They were never meant to be, and wherever they go, they leave destruction and death in their wake.
