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the concept of lorenzo musetti loss in turin handing carlos the world no. 1 status & a lorenzo musetti retirement in ao handing novak the opportunity to battle it out with jannik on fresh wheels... he may have never won a set against jannik but he was the conductor in the orchestra of his despair
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lowkey musinner thesisđź’€
Part of the musinner thesis has to be that Jannik sees Musetti's beautiful visage and beautiful tennis and rationally recognizes that according to Italian societal and tennis standards he's supposed to want/admire that, but he viscerally rejects it because of all the mess that goes along with it. Genuinely do not think that man would want to spend a day in Musetti's shoes because of the psychological ick (the "he's found stability" or whatever it was remark was so telling). And Musetti, who's so used to being admired, probably knows this in some way.
you're implying that the musinner relationship is somewhat personal (jannik's ick, lorenzo's hurt about the lack of admiration from jannik) but what if i tell you… it probably isn't? we don't know what goes on in their mind or heart, but for what we can see, they seem to get along just fine. they are not friends, sure, but there is no apparent animosity between them. even lorenzo's coldness about jannik's results after indian wells, or his remarks on jannik's luck at wimbledon 2025, sound to me as the results of a frustration directed not towards jannik per se, rather towards the imposing shadow of his aura, his results and real-time legacy, his inescapable certainty. which for lorenzo translate into a judgement on his own inconsistency, his (relatively) lack of big results, his legacy still under construction. imo it has very much to do with lorenzo's personality and the high regard he has of himself, that he can't see the perks of being n.2. paolo bertolucci, who spent his entire career under the shadow of adriano panatta, observed matter-of-factly that jannik's success actually protects lorenzo from the pressure of delivering immediate results. and i agree with him. imagine a world where berrettini is on the verge of retirement and the last slam final with an italian man in it is still wimbledon 2021. and italian's best in men's tennis is strong enough to be a top-10 contender and slam semifinalist, but weak enough to still be going out of a tournament on his favourite surface in r16 against lehecka. there'd be much more tomatoes thrown against lorenzo's beautiful face, for sure. and speaking of beauty…
there's certainly some kernel of truth about jannik knowing he's not the kind of hero italy wanted or expected. however, i feel that this has been somewhat exhaggerated by italian media, which somehow acts both as a pushback and a mirror of the sinnermania that has swept italy during the last two and a half years. in his home country, jannik is a bigger star than any footballer right now. when he played rome last year after the suspension, he was acclaimed like he had returned from war. in italian cities, you can see his face everywhere on ads plastered by the streets. he's courted by some of italy's biggest tv shows, which he has almost always declined to attend. and not enough has been said about italian moms' adoration for him. all of this without him having the kind of physical beauty or charisma usually associated with the sports' personalities that have transcended their sports and became idols for the masses. everybody knows who he is, not only tennis fans. the same cannot be said for musetti. i find it telling that the last article of the thriving genre «sinner is great, but he doesn't represent italianness», published on a daily newspaper, uses berrettini, not musetti, as the prototype of the true italian player. if we have to guess if there's an italian tennis player whose physical beauty jannik admired/wanted for himself, his friend matteo would be the one. he even jokingly implied it in an old interview they did together.
the thing is… if we talk about beautiful visage and beautiful tennis jannik would think he should aspire to, someone already came first in his opinion well before lorenzo. matteo was there first, with his personality and his heart (an italianate trait both jannik and lorenzo don't share). matteo, whose heart is so big it secures jannik's participation to the second consecutive davis cup victory. for beautiful tennis, it's carlos, of course. and how it can be different. years before the media frenzy surrounding sincaraz, there was the alicante challenger where jannik loses his string of victories against a 15-years-old. a beating so resounding he still talked about it in italian interviews more than a year later, when nobody knew who carlos was. a month after alicante, musetti and sinner play against each other in a pre-qualifying match for a wildcard in rome. lorenzo takes the only set he's ever taken against jannik to this day, and then loses the match. he doesn't have, for now, the kind of tennis that can seriously make jannik doubt of himself. make him reconsider his choices, his style of play. make him try to change: “i have to be less predictable” and all that, whatever it means. i don't see jannik, who is clearly focused on tuning off the external noise when it comes to become the best version possible of himself, stopping to think: oh, i should admire lorenzo's style. this doesn't mean he doesn't like it or that he despises it, or lorenzo. (his remarks on lorenzo's newfound stability are not exactly unthreaded ground: lore's struggles on tennis courts were very visible and publicly dissected at the time. otoh, if we go to see what jannik was saying in interviews to glossy magazines, spouse and kids as a necessary grounding force in the life of a professional athlete seem more of a projection of his own convictions than anything else.) but he doesn't think about lorenzo that way imo, because he doesn't need to. on an international level, it's carlos game that he's being unfavorably compared to, and he knows that. whenever carlos is not at a tournament, we see him giving apologies for not expressing the kind of brilliant tennis and exciting showmanship people pay their tickets to look at. and then of course there are the trophies. four grand slams, some defeats at carlos' hands that were heralded as masterpieces. while lorenzo still clings to the olympic (bronze) medal to his name as if it were a lifeline. so. does it hurt for lorenzo to not be seen as a real threat by italy's (and occasionally world's) n.1? i'd say he's more haunted by his own vanity, and by the scrutiny of others' eyes that his vanity makes him acutely aware of. but in the end, musinner's perceived clash is ultimately due to the external circumstances of them being both italians, not by their tennis or by their personalities. to gauge whether if and when it'll become a proper rivalry (tennis-wise and/or personality-wise), i recommend reading user @ radelulu's l'estasi dell'oro as a prophecy disguised in fate's divertissement.
Virtually Musinner Monte Carlo 2026 R2 / US Open 2025 QF
We still haven't gotten a new musinner match in 2026 but we've had a new musinner mirroring moment anyway.
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i know that the concept of a Third™ being introduced into the sincaraz dynamic is kinda silly and there's no reason to think that it will materialize in an even similar configuration to novak/fedal (or at all really) but i do like to roll around in my brain the way that each of them would react to a new guy gaining prominence, and i was wondering if you have any thoughts on that hypothetical? like would one of them be nicer to him than the other? would they unite against him? would it maybe be a relief to some extent?
no caveats necessary, this is a choice inner mind theater scenario at castle alacants. my opinion has generally been that jannik would be just as happy for the narrative burden of biggest rivalry in modern tennis to be shifted to someone else's shoulders so he can get back to the business of winning constantly without having to deal with #sincaraz. i mean this is the guy who JUST said he felt safe on the open sea. trying hard to come up with an alternative scenario and it would have to be like, someone actively murders matteo and drags his body by the heels three times around the foro italico. then maybe jannik would resent them.
carlos on the other hand. carlos likes being challenged and is also a people person, so on the face of it you would think he'd also be down for this. but carlos is also ALL about storytelling, and he knows exactly what story he's in. maybe he would be on board with a plot twist orrrr maybe he would resent the authorial (tennis gods) meddling with a perfectly good narrative.
running joke in chat is joao fonseca (or whoever, but fonseca is a good placeholder) becoming the actual new rafa nadal, aka a clay-court monster, and carlos hating his living guts. low-key bitchiness, which doesn't get enough play in fic (i am also guilty of this), showing up in more and more flashes, however most tennis watchers are just like, wow, carlitos is so intense about this h2h! joao himself is lapping it up, wow senpai takes me sooooo seriously what an awesome rivalry we have. <3 the only people who are paying close enough attention to notice the truth are the extremely online brazilian joao stans who rightly clock that carlos wants their guy to fall off the face of the earth and are therefore thisclose to showing up outside his house with torches. fonsecaraz play like four consecutive roland garros finals and carlos is pissed off every time. everyone else is like, clay rivalry of all time. amazing. jannik is pleased, cat-like, with the legendary pokemon that he himself spotted in the field at base form and encouraged to drop out of school. good job. :]
fonseca was the initial pick bc he seems like the sort of heart-warm-head-empty Lad that jannik would befriend, a la jack draper. however from a different perspective. it would actually be funnier if this were lorenzo musetti. exponentially funnier. lorenzo i want to be number one in italy, no, the WORLD. and now i'm here at the final of roland garros and carlos and i will show the unbelievers the true beauty and truth of tennis as it was meant to be transcendentally experienced. and no one, not even Some People, will be able to deny it. not that i care if they're watching. jannik like, ok 🤷 forza italia 🇮🇹 carlos pulling a full rafa nadal. yes of course this final will be complicated although not like my final with JANNIK which was the best roland garros match of ALL TIME. haha.
musinner @ uso25 qs analysis
some historical importance, italy is originally not much of a tennis country and has its root in the clay court. bcs hard court lasts longer than most surfaces, their federation decided to focus on hard court and here comes jannik sinner (their actual torchbearer of Italtennis) and lorenzo musetti (who is the idealised tennis player for italians). this is the first ever majors qf btw 2 italians.
strategy
as for the match, jannik's game plan was very obvious: whenever lore hits a backhand slice, he is going to run around his backhand, time it nicely, and hit his inside-out forehand so aggressively. this has been the constant theme of the match.
why does he do that, you ask?
bcs if he doesnt, and use his usual bh, the ball will go back to lore and he can either hit a dangerous fh or knife another bh slice.
as the match drags into the 3rd set, lore stayed deep and pinned to that bh corner, pinned to the baseline and he didnt take that bh down the line so often. it was an unused shot in his repertoire today and perhaps in the next match, he could try to utilise that.
let's say that lore did unleash a bh dtl and it's a very good shot, that will endanger jannik's running forehand which can be vulnerable and was exposed when faced against novak (wimby 22 23) and alcaraz (in paris).
however, you bait the south tyrolean dragon and maybe they'll tear your throat apart. such as the running fh below. gill gross laughed at this point lmao and according to him, the reason sinner is so dangerous on his running fh when he steps across w his left foot is bcs he often nukes it for a winner so the recovery doenst matter.
jannik breadsticked lore in the first set cool w his impeccable control of the baseline exchange. he also lost like 9 points in that set. cool. bt as the 2nd set rolled, lorenzo's first serve grew w the momentum and due to that, he got to dictate the point. at one point, when i checked the website, lore's first serve % in reached a whopping 90%. he was getting used to sinner's supersonic missiles and imposing himself in the rallies.
however, that percentage is unsustainable and jannik took care of it w his superior return.
by set 3, lore realised he just cant use his usual strategy against sinner. he played dangerous w his fh, he chose lower margin shots and remember- a cornered dog is the most dangerous of them all- and as such, successfully cranked up on anther level. he cant be passive.
this is why to me, this win against lorenzo is more impressive than that win against bublik is bcs even though he didnt triple breadsticked bublik, lore was the only one of his opponents to successfully crank up a half level.
anyways, jannik realised he's being hunted and was bored w playing w his food so he broke lore to serve for the match. sinner won game bcs he has repeatability- not always beautiful points (like musetti)- bt he has his way w winning games on a consistent process. doesnt help that lore is also 0/7 on break points.
i'm sure this has been posted already back during vienna but i was on a tumblr break so i didn't see it. but i think about this 24/7 so let me post it w translation.
jannik being asked about a possible final against lorenzo musetti before muso's semifinal match in vienna:
"it's going to be a difficult final, you know, they [lorenzo & that guy] both deserve... we deserve to be in the final... [he makes a bit of a funny face] lorenzo is playing right now so let's hope for the best. it'd be a very nice thing... [takes a deep breath] to play a final... erm... here in vienna against... erm... against l—lorenzo but you know, erm... [starts fidgeting with his jacket zipper] erm... at the end of the day, you know... we both try to write our own path, our own story, so we're obviously happy for all of italy. [he says this last bit while blinking twice in quick succession and in his usual Interview Tone, after struggling til that moment]"
