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Marcone to Hendricks (chp. 1)

Mu by melannen (AO3) Dresden Files – General #Transformation #Service #Philosophy

This is interesting because in my memory of the debate, there was a lot of a) Austen fandom, with a long tradition of original Regencies as fanfic; tabletop/sdf fandom, where the line between "this is a fanfic of a dnd campaign" and "this is my novel" never existed, and also the tradition of Lovecraft et al; history rpf, where if you're not writing tropey slash the line is super thin.

Aaaand you have detected what I meant with that oblique “People came up with other evidence.”

Austen fandom is often a big question mark to people not in it. Just think of all those times P&P ended up in yuletide, people complained it was non-rare, and everyone else was like: “But I don’t see it on the sites I’m on!”

Basically, all that stuff you mention was yet a different fandom divide, but one that was less fraught and one that had nothing to do with anime vs. western fandom stuff. It’s also not all m/m, which was one of the sticking points in early conversations.

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Do you have cites on the “loosely woven”? I mostly know early medieval Europe, but what I’ve learned looking at actual stitch counts is that preindustrial cloth was often more *tightly* woven (and with better yarn) because if you’re putting that much time in, you might as well do it to last. It’s often hard to sew medieval reproductions with cheap modern cloth because the medieval cloth was so un-ravelley it *didn’t need hems*.

In Greece, which is what the original post was talking about, excavated Bronze Age textiles range from 5/10 to 16/40 threads/cm (warp/weft), with most hovering around 10-18 threads/cm. Extant textiles from the Classical era are more uniform, mostly 14/26 threads/cm. The preponderance of the extant textile fragments from Greece are balanced tabbies in linen, although whether we find plant fiber fabric or animal fiber fabric tends to have more to do with preservation conditions than with what was actually worn. We know from the written record that Greeks wore quite a bit of wool. What little wool fabric we have from Greece tends to be a bit finer and more commonly a twill weave (this is consistent across Europe -- starting in the Bronze Age, bast fibers get woven as tabbies, wool as twills).

A linen fabric at 14/26 threads/cm is not losely woven, but it’s not tightly woven either. From my own weavings I can tell you that you will definitely struggle with ravelling when you cut it. It does not handle like a modern shirting cotton. You would have less trouble with ravelling if it’s wool, because wool is grippy, but smooth bast fibers will slip.

A lot of what I weave is reproductions of textiles from Scandinavia, late Bronze Age on. Almost all of what we have from Scandinavia is wool (due to the preservation conditions; they definitely wore bast fibers as well), and at least once we hit the Iron Age, it tends to be denser than what is found farther south, presumably for warmth. A lot of it is in the high 20s/low 30s per cm. It still ravels a bit when I cut it if I haven’t fulled it, but not worse than modern fabrics (modern wools range from high 10s to mid 30s per cm, or at least that’s what I count with a ruler and my fabric stash).

But one thing to remember when it comes to pre-industrial wool cloth was that it was very commonly fulled, which is a finishing processes that leaves the fabric slightly felted. A densely woven fulled woolen fabric will absolutely not ravel, and will wear a lot longer and harder than any modern fabric. However, you can’t full bast fibers, so the chitons and such of the Mediterranean, which were almost always linen, not going to behave the same way as an early Medeival dress from Northern Europe.

I just posted a 16-song playlist for turnchetta steal! But it also has over 800 words of liner notes outlining the plot of the hypothetical musical it's the soundtrack to, and we fanmixers were wondering if long liner notes could count on top of the fanmix points - maybe .1 for 200 words for that kind of not!fic?

Thanks for reaching out! We're happy to include that proposed points exchange as part of the steal system!

For any fanmixes posted so far and going forward: Earn 0.1% per 200 words of liner notes. This information will be added to the original Poll stealing post as well.

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…I got three paragraphs in before I realized this was not turning into a gender metaphor!

Also I agree with all of this, and it's something zoologists have also been dealing with for a long time - what is a "fish"? what is a "dinosaur"?

Wait, did you count all "AU - high school" tags as if they're about high school teachers? Because the vast, vast majority are about high school students.