#mcu talk

HOWEVER!

It truly astounds me the people that think they actually killed the Scarlet Witch off. Hey! If it is EVER out right confirmed she IS in FACT..DEAD, I will admit it in this post and any other where I said she was not dead.

But she's not dead, she just created another reality for herself where she slumbers.

Will we see her in Agatha All Along? At this point I think she'll be referenced at the most, but we'll see when the first 2 episodes premiere on September 18, 2024 on Disney+.

If we don't see her in Agatha All Along or don't learn anything to further her story. It's likely the next time she is seen in her own solo movie which has been HEAVILY rumored to come around the Avengers movies, Doomsday and Secret Wars. It's even been rumored her movie will take place between Secret Wars part I and II but it's been also heavily rumored that any films taking place between Doomsday and Secret Wars would be based in Battleworld.

SPOILER IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE!!

.......... there was a small easter egg of Scarlet Witch in a scene where her statue from Wundagore appears in a shot. There was no mention of her and if Wanda were in the void it could conflict with how Cassandra Nova did not know about her. And if she knew of Wanda and how powerful she was she wouldn't likely let her wander without being put in check.

Wanda COULD already be in the void somehow and that's how we can get our solo Scarlet Witch movie.

what people just don’t GET about the “no trust, liar” scene is that steve did nothing to keep the team together in civil war. this isn’t me hating on steve, or saying that the accords were good, or (god forbid) dredging up any of the old cw discourse. but the thing is, steve did not want to compromise in civil war (he had his reasons, etc. etc. this isn’t about the accords and i never wanna talk about those again). steve rejected compromise, steve rejected olive branches, he rejected meeting in the middle. steve didn’t see a way to keep the team together without these, so he let the team fall apart. because that’s steve -- committed to his ideals (and his loved ones, as bucky was an important motivation in civil war), hell or high water. one of tony’s crucial motivations in civil war, by contrast, was expressly to keep the team together: “i’m trying to keep you from tearing the avengers apart!” “i’m doing what has to be done to stave off something worse.” “we need you, cap.” 

there’s a reason for this, and the reason is that pivotal scene in age of ultron. “how were you planning on beating that?” “together.” and then, later, tony agrees: “like the old man said -- together.” tony rejects the idea of ultron after it failed and blew up spectacularly in his face, and he accepts steve’s alternative plan: we will deal with the threat of extraterrestrial calamity (that tony saw coming for miles) together, as a team. the avengers is all we have to do that. that’s why tony is desperate in civil war to keep the team together. there is no more ultron, there is no more anything except them, to defend the earth against thanos [tony doesn’t know the name at this stage, but he knows the concept -- existential threat to humanity from outer space]. tony rejects his own ideology, of ultron, because of the havoc it wrought, and accepts steve’s. “together.” he relies on this, because it’s all he has left. he relies on the fact that steve believes him, understands him, and understands what is coming -- and he accepts steve’s way of doing it after his own was a catastrophic failure. “like the old man said -- together.” tony listens -- doesn’t try anymore to win the war before it starts, doesn’t try to end the team, doesn’t pursue any ultron-like projects, but holds onto the fact that being together is all that they will have when calamity comes.

then civil war happens. tony is clinging to "together” like a lifeline (because it is, to him) and steve seemingly forgets about it, or at least prioritizes the more immediate concerns he has over the concerns raised by tony in age of ultron. no more avengers is fine with him given the circumstances that the accords put him in. meanwhile, tony is desperate for the avengers to not be torn apart. you can say that he was misguided in his attempts, and he could have done more (i wouldn’t probably agree with you, but that’s a whole other thing), or he could have done differently, or he shouldn’t have signed, and this that and the third -- but, regardless, there is no questioning one of his baseline motivations: the avengers need to stay together. by contrast, steve seems to have forgotten altogether about tony’s concerns re: extraterrestrial calamity in age of ultron -- or he has re-prioritized, where tony has not. natasha also articulates this point, directly to steve: “staying together is more important than how we stay together,” which is a thesis steve explicitly rejects in this scene. say what you want about the two sides, but there was one party much more interested in keeping the team together than another, and that’s just a fact.

then infinity war happens -- then, they lose. they weren’t together, and they lost. THIS is what steve lied about. the “liar” obviously has to do with their last scene together in cw, when tony finds out that steve lied to him about his parents for some time, but this is also obviously one of the connotations of “liar.” you said we would fight it off together, and you weren’t there. liar. this is why tony brings up his “vision” of calamity in the no-trust-liar scene, because steve either didn’t believe him or didn’t care to take it seriously enough, in tony’s view. he didn’t try to stay together, didn’t accept the olive branches and compromises, and then they were apart, and they lost everything. sure, tony could have tried mending fences (though, i don’t blame him for not trying), just as steve could have -- but what tony is saying, ultimately and not exactly incorrectly, is that the reason they were not together -- the reason that they were split in the first place -- when thanos came was because of steve. steve didn’t listen, steve didn’t trust tony, steve didn’t heed the warning, steve didn’t stay together when that was all that they could do to stop what tony saw coming. again, this isn’t me saying steve was definitively wrong and tony was definitively right in civil war (that’s another whole post, again), but only that steve did not care as much about the team staying together, and that’s why tony has no trust. that’s why he blames steve.

and, for everyone saying he could have called steve...he did. or, nearly did, until thanos’s crew showed up literally at his doorstep. he’s the one who said steve rogers would know where vision is, he had the phone with him and was prepared to call almost as soon as he found out what was coming from bruce. just because he didn’t make the call in the end doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have, because everything in that scene in infinity war suggests that he would have had he not had to immediately prioritize the safety of civilians against the black order.

he acquired bb Loki from recently conquered lands, then instead of telling him the truth about himself just constantly displayed bigotry vs the Jotunn which probably gave Loki a complex the size of Asgard upon REALIZING he was Jotunn

unless some bullshit masterminding is happening, Loki learns the truth under completely uncontrolled circumstances

after yeeting Thor to Earth (I don’t remember why he did this but I suspect it was easily-preventable bullshit) he decided to take his Big Nap and for apparently the first time just put Loki in charge of things. right after Thor was gone. Right after Loki interacted with Jotunn.

like literally every factor that cause the conflicts in the first Thor movie were Odin’s fault

because of what happens in Thor, Loki gets yoten off the space bridge and goes wheeling into the multiverse, where he gets picked up by Thanos, which means

the primary conflict of the Avengers can be directly traced to Odin’s Sleipnir-shit plans and/or incompetence

I haven’t seen the following Avengers movies but no doubt this plays heavily into so good fucking job Odin,

I honestly don’t remember much abt Thor 2 so I’m just gonna say Odin’s probably at fault for Frigga’s equally-Sleipnir-shit Fridging and move on

Hela. HELA. Odin literally fucking went “hey sweet kid, Imma turn her into a weapon” and then Sealed Evil In A Can the second he didn’t need her to nuke something. HE DIDN’T TELL THOR OR LOKI ABOUT HER. Hell, he had to have deliberately prevented Thor and Loki discovering anything about Hela, because surely there were plenty of people who knew about her still around!

The seal on Hela literally broke upon Odin’s death. What an absolutely enormous “fuck you” to everyone else. Her seal literally centered around her not being his problem. Jesus Christ.

Because you would think it would be relatable for Natasha having to be careful about what she says and even lie to a guy who may at any moment get too upset and turn into what is essentially a rage monster that would easily over power and probably kill her.

feel free to scream at me in my dms (I don’t want to clog up my sides blogs with too much other fandom stuff) but honestly CA:WS, Ragnarok, and Black Panther are the old good mcu movies, you can’t change my mind