Honey, if you are coming in 17th, trans women competing in sports is the least of your problems.
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Honey, if you are coming in 17th, trans women competing in sports is the least of your problems.

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The spawn and I did a museum hop in London today - a summer tradition for us. Our final stop was Queer Britain, and...
Which one of you freaks did this? Hm?
certain sports should absolutely be based on biological sex and not gender identity. nothing hateful or strange about that. but oh no, the horror of it all!!! how ever will you cope?! yall are such a joke đđđ
A)Hormone therapy and surgery significantly change 'biologically' male and female bodies, which in turn affects the athletic capabilities of those bodies in ways both positive and detrimental to athletic performance.
B)Gender based divisions in sports are based on politics and social perception of men and women's capabilities as much, if not more, than actual performance differences.
C)Lia Thomas had the courage to compete as an openly trans women, enduring the vitriol and contempt our society has for trans women. You don't even have the guts to attach your internet pseudonym to your dogshit opinion. Coward.
someone on in my reblogs said lia thomas(the only trans swimmer anyone knows, apparently) hasnt gone through hrt and therefor shouldnt compete with women. um. i dont know how to break this to you.
she was on hormones for two years before competing in womens sports. guys. do some reading before you go off on the internet.
Could you be persuaded to say something you knew not to be true?
By: Douglas Murray
Published:Â Sep 4, 2025
Could you be persuaded to say something you knew not to be true?
Most of us would probably say âAbsolutely not. Never.â But the evidence is that even a small amount of social pressure can make grown adults say things they know to be untrue.
Take the case of Malcolm Gladwell. The Canadian-born author has had most of the good fortune that life can bring. His received opinions have gained him lucrative positions at liberal publications. His books have become international bestsellers. In fact, many authors might look in envy at the fact that some airport bookshops seem to have a whole Malcolm Gladwell section.
His schtick might be to say banal things in ways that appear spicy and new. But he has made a very good career of it and been lauded by his peers.
Yet this week, he admitted that he is a coward.
Appearing on a podcast called âThe Real Science of Sport,â Gladwell referred to the vexing question of born males competing in womenâs sports.
For most of us, this was always a no-brainer. It was obvious that someone who has been born a male, gone through male puberty and has all the physical advantages of being a man should be kept well clear of womenâs sports. Otherwise womenâs sports cease to be womenâs sports, thousands of young female athletes would train hard for no reason and womenâs sports would simply become a division of menâs sports for men who canât succeed against their male peers.
Gladwell says he finds the arguments for men competing in womenâs sports to be unconvincing.
But at a panel in 2022, he said that men should indeed be allowed to compete in womenâs sports.
To his credit, he admits why he said what he said just three years ago. He says that he felt âcowedâ at the time. Now he is âashamed of my performanceâ on the panel in question. He also admitted that he approached the discussion âin a dishonest way.â
Having debated Gladwell in the past, about the same time as his now-recanted panel, I can say that Iâm pleased to hear his admission. Iâm also not remotely surprised that Gladwell would approach a debate with dishonesty. His performances are generally filled with group-think and laced with condescension toward anyone he finds disagreeing with him.
In fact, in all the decades I have debated my own views in public, I donât think Iâve often come across someone so willing and indeed eager to debate in bad faith.
But his admission helps us to understand something about the incentive structures in our own society.
Parents across America who said what Gladwell now says were slandered for years for saying it. High school and college athletes a third of Gladwellâs age who dared to say what was true were hounded by mobs. They had their reputations and sometimes their careers wrecked.
And for what? For saying something that should have required no courage to say and which should never have been controversial.
Consider the price that other people paid for similar heresies.
This week, the comedy writer Graham Linehan returned to the UK after a visit to America. On arrival at Heathrow airport, the 57-year-old was met by five armed police officers. They promptly detained Linehan and took him in for questioning. He has been arrested and faces trial.
In recent years, Linehan has been one of the very few people in the entertainment industry to speak out against the gender ideology madness that flowed through Western societies. He refused to accept that a man can become a woman and stood up to the online and offline bullies who said otherwise.
For this he was dropped by all the mainstream figures who had once worked with him.
Despite producing masterpieces like the sitcom âFather Ted,â Linehan was treated like a pariah. He has struggled to find work. What writing he has done â including a book â has been carefully ignored by most of the media. You would be hard-pressed to find a âGraham Linehan sectionâ in any airport bookshop.
And now on top of all this, Linehan has been arrested. By armed British police who donât normally carry guns and rarely if ever bother to investigate actual crimes. Most people in the orbit of London will never have any follow-up from the police if their phone or bicycle is stolen. Many will struggle to get the police to visit their house if they have suffered a home burglary.
But those same police show up with guns to detain a comedy writer who has been guilty of âwrong-thinkâ on a social issue?
When put together, the cases of Gladwell and Linehan should remind us of a deep and important truth about our culture.
If there is a punishment for telling the truth, then many people will tell lies. If telling lies is incentivized, then many people will tell lies. And if you allow mobs of people online or off to intimidate people and donât stand up to them, then many people will be intimidated. And they will change what they say accordingly.
There has been a price for Graham Linehan for telling the truth. Whereas there were only ever rewards for Malcolm Gladwell for saying things that even he now admits to have known at the time to be untrue.
The debate on men in womenâs sports is gradually reaching some kind of sensible place. But that isnât because of the simple weight of truth. It is because a small number of famous people and a much larger number of people with no public profile refused to take part in a culture of lies.
A healthy society needs brave people. And a healthy society should celebrate those people. It should also express mockery and contempt for all those people in positions of power who now admit to putting their own personal comfort before any concern for truth.
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When you can coerce people to lie for you out of fear, you're not "oppressed" or "marginalized," you're the totalitarian tyrants that need to be overthrown.

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TERFs are all super pressed about Lia Thomas and are cheering that she canât compete yet we have a literal fucking rapist competing in the Olympics and I havenât seen a single on of them blast anyone or any organization for it.
Itâs almost like you guys donât care about women and are a fucking hate movement against trans women.
The swimmer tied a trans woman for fifth. The MAGA industrial complex took care of the rest.
Madison Pauly at Mother Jones:
At a White House ceremony last February, before President Donald Trump signed an executive order to defund schools if they permit transgender girls to play girlsâ sports, he turned and looked over his shoulder. Behind him stood former college swimmer Riley Gaines, wearing suffragette white in a crowd of young female athletes and conservative activists. âYouâve been waiting a long time for this,â Trump told the 24-year-old. Almost three years, to be exact. Since tying for fifth place in a March 2022 championship race against transgender swimmer Lia Thomas, Gaines has used the story of their matchup to leap to the vanguard of the anti-trans movement, campaigning not just to ban trans women from womenâs sports, but to end public acceptance of transgender people.
Gaines joined the political fray just as 14 states had already enacted restrictions on trans athletes and four more were on the verge of doing the same. With backing from GOP donors like the Amway billionaire DeVos family, she has crisscrossed the country with a simple message: Womenâs sports need âsavingâ from âmenââthat is, transgender girls and women. No matter that the NCAA president said in 2024 that less than 0.002 percent of college athletes at the time were openly transgender (the percentage of Olympians is about the same). Gaines and her allies argue that trans athletes are stealing opportunities from every woman and girl who competes with them. Alongside other athletes, she filed a federal lawsuit against the NCAA seeking to ban trans girls from girlsâ school sports nationwide, arguing that trans-inclusive policies are a form of discrimination against women.
[...]
Thanks in large part to Gaines, trans athletes became the reddest of red meat issues during the 2024 presidential election, with the Trump campaign pouring money into a brutally effective attack ad declaring, âKamala is for they/them. President Trump is for you.â During the executive order signing ceremony, Trump declared, âThis was one of the big reasons that we all won.â He added later, âI want to thank Riley. She really has been in the forefront.â
Interviews with former teammates and competitors at the fateful 2022 championship, as well as a review of Gainesâ public statements, legal documents, nonprofit filings, and other records, reveal how she transformed herself from captain of a deeply troubled swim team to one of the leading conservative activists of her generation.
Today, Gaines serves as a real-life Regina George figure in the MAGA universe, with her online dustups receiving celebrity coverage in the right-wing press. A Fox News darling and social media bomb-thrower affiliated with some of the countryâs most influential right-wing advocacy groups, she broadcasts the pictures and names of trans middle and high schoolers to her 1.6 million followers on X, encouraging younger athletes to boycott and shun trans competitors. For her, this cause is âspiritual warfare.â Meanwhile, sheâs cashing in: Between recording sessions for her podcast, Gaines for Girls, she reps an anti-trans clothing line and slings a student debt refinancing plan, herbal supplements, and ivermectin. In 2024, she released a childrenâs book and a memoir. Her speaking fees run as high as $25,000.
By multiple measures, Gaines and her allies have largely prevailed in their original quest to rid womenâs sports of trans athletes. Twenty-nine states have now banned trans girls and women from participating on the school sports teams that match their gender identity (though some of those bans are blocked as they work their way through the courts). And after Trumpâs executive order, the NCAA and the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee both changed their policies to categorically exclude trans women. But Gaines, who did not respond to interview requests and questions for this story, shows no signs of stopping. After all, sports is just a stepping stone to a more sweeping goal. âThe gender ideology movement is a house of cards, and I believe itâs lying on that sports issue,â she told the New York Times last August. âThis will be the card that makes all of it crumble.â
Riley Gaines opens her 2024 memoir, Swimming Against the Current, with a formative experience from her childhood. When she was 8, she writes, her father, Brad, led her to the edge of an outdoor pool in the middle of winter and told her to jump in. âNo shaking or chattering,â he commanded. She needed to learn âmental toughness.â As she grew up in a conservative Christian family in the suburbs of Nashville, the daughter of two college athletes, her fatherâs lesson served her well. Especially when she was recruited to swim at the University of Kentucky, a Division I school with a womenâs swim team rising in the national rankings under a mercurial head coach, Lars Jorgensen.
Gaines was a repeat Tennessee state champion and had qualified for the Olympic trials at age 15. Despite such accomplishments, during her recruiting trip to campus, Jorgensen told her she was âokayâ and âwalk-on material,â sheâd later tell a local sports reporter. She committed to UK anyway. âYou could look at his comments as hurtful and mean, but I know it was just tough love,â she said. âHe would trash talk you, but that was part of what makes this special for me.â During her first year, she writes, Jorgensen often called her a LOFTâfor âlack of fucking talent.â But she was not offended. âHe didnât actually think I was a LOFT,â she explains in her book. âThis was just his way of seeing how we liked to be motivated.â
Jorgensen âdefinitely had this cult of persona around him,â recalls Trinity Ward, a teammate one year behind Gaines. âWhen he was singing your praises, at least for me, it felt like you were on top of the world. And when it felt like you were disappointing him, that felt horrible.â Ward, as well as two more of Gainesâ teammatesâwho requested anonymity to avoid backlash from Gainesâ fans and followersâare speaking publicly for the first time. They say Jorgensen often screamed at swimmers, told them they werenât worth coaching, and tried to force them to swim when sick or injured. According to a 2023 investigation by UKâs athletic compliance office obtained through a public records request, swimmers reported that âvoluntaryâ practices werenât really optional and that Jorgensen imposed grueling extra swims for transgressions. âWe had a punishment where we had to swim with our snorkels for two hours and we werenât allowed to stop,â one of Gainesâ teammates remembers. The NCAA eventually suspended Jorgensen for violating limits on practice hours.
[...]
Ward maintained a friendship with Gaines, who she says was generous with her car and could party hard. Even when Ward, who is queer, started dating a woman, Gaines was âfriendly and respectful.â Once, as they drove together to a team retreat, they chatted about their respective experiences of being raised in religious conservative families. It was the summer of 2021, Trump had recently left office, and Ward remembers Gaines saying she didnât like Trump. âItâs been really weird to see [her] completely transform,â Ward says now. âIf you told me four years ago that Riley Gaines was going to be the spokesperson for the anti-trans movement, be speaking with Trump at CPAC, Iâd be like, âYouâre crazy.ââ Gaines, who was seen as one of Jorgensenâs favorites, seemed to weather the pressure on the team better than most. âI never saw Riley cry because of something Lars said,â Ward recalls. âI never saw her have like a mental breakdown or show that any of this was getting to her.â In her book, Gaines writes that, despite his âutter savagery,â Jorgensen âbecame, and still is, one of my best friends.â
[...] Thomas had competed on the menâs team at Penn for three years, winning three silver medals at the 2019 Ivy League Championships. Sheâd come out as transgender to her family and a friend after her first year of college but delayed her medical transition until after she completed her sophomore season. âI did HRT [hormone replacement therapy] knowing and accepting I might not swim again,â she told Sports Illustrated.
But when she returned to school after taking a year off during the Covid pandemic, she was eligible for the womenâs team under NCAA policy, which at the time allowed transgender women to compete after 12 months of testosterone suppression. There was just one problem: She was winning. Her race times, though slower than before her transition, qualified her among the countryâs best female swimmers that season.
[...] The next day, members of the UK team stood on the pool deck to cheer as Gaines lined up for the 200 freestyle. It was one of the teamâs best shots at an NCAA title. But when the results appeared on the scoreboard, Gaines and Thomas had tied for fifth, at 1:43.40âa full 2.28 seconds slower than the first-place finisher. [...] The story of what happened next appeared five days later in the conservative Daily Wire. After tying her race, Gaines and the other swimmers went behind a curtain, preparing to take the podium. There, an NCAA official informed her that he had already given the fifth-place trophy to Thomas, Gaines recounted to the reporter. Her own fifth-place trophy would come in the mail. In the meantime, she could pose with the sixth-place trophy.
Gaines was indignant. âI told the guy, âI donât think thatâs right, and I donât think thatâs fair,ââ she said. But the official insisted. âThe more I thought about it, the more it fired me up,â she remembered. âWho are we trying to protect here?â Sharing the podium with Thomas, âaghast that no one was standing up for female swimmers,â changed the trajectory of Gainesâ life, she writes in her memoir. âI decided I was no longer willing to cower and lie.â In an interview years later, sheâd say, âI thought of it as a tragedy. I thought to myself, no one, no girl, no woman should ever have to faceâ that âlevel of humiliation.â The Daily Wire article catapulted her into the feverish world of right-wing media. On March 28, 10 days after her race with Thomas, she appeared on the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show; on April 1, Tennessee Sen. Marsha Blackburn hosted Gaines on her podcast; on April 6 she was a guest on Tucker Carlson Tonight, where Carlson lauded her for âbravery.â âIâm just fortunate enough to where I have such an amazing support system at the University of Kentucky, whether that be from the athletic director all the way down to my head coach, Lars Jorgensen,â she told him.
As she made more media appearances, Gainesâ rhetoric grew sharper. In her initial Daily Wire interview, sheâd said of Thomas: âI am in full support of her and full support of her transition and her swimming career and everything like that, because thereâs no doubt that she works hard too, but sheâs just abiding by the rules that the NCAA put in place, and thatâs the issue.â Yet by the following spring any empathy she once had for Thomas had vanished: âHe is an arrogant, cheat who STOLE a national title from a hardworking, deserving woman,â she tweeted.
Soon the locker room became a central theme, as she accused the NCAA of having âforcedâ the swimmers to change with Thomas and allowing âany manâ to walk inâthough both the menâs and womenâs locker rooms had been opened to the competitors at the womenâs championship. âIf you walked in and saw Lia and you didnât want to be in there, you could walk next door to the other locker room, or go in the stall,â says one of Gainesâ teammates. Though a handful of swimmers at the meet also went public to say that Thomasâ presence in the locker room made them uncomfortable, Gainesâ version of the story was more lurid: âWe turned around and thereâs a 6-foot-4 biological man dropping his pants and watching us undress, and we were exposed to male genitalia,â she told Fox News. âNot even probably a year, two years ago, this would have been considered some form of sexual assault, voyeurism.â
[...]
Gaines fit seamlessly with a right-wing strategy that dated back to 2015, when the Supreme Court recognized the right to same-sex marriage and when Christian conservatives, fearing they were losing the culture wars, began searching for issues to fire up their political base. âWe knew we needed to find an issue that the Âcandidates were comfortable talking about,â Terry Schilling, the president of the socially conservative American Principles Project, later told the New York Times. His group polled voters on a range of messages and found that trans people in womenâs sports struck a nerve, including among conservative Democrats and independents. Thus began an effort to transform the debate about trans athletes into a political lightning rod.
Then Gaines came along. Within weeks of the NCAAs, she started collaborating with the Independent Womenâs Forum, a conservative group that would later bring her aboard as a spokeswoman. Its savvy operators helped her âunderstand the logistics of the political sphere as well as tools to increase my effectiveness in spreading my message,â she writes in her memoir. The month after the championship, she appeared in the Kentucky Legislature as the guest of a Republican state representative, successfully urging lawmakers to pass a trans sports ban over the governorâs veto. She would go on to testify for anti-trans bills in at least 10 statehouses and appear in ads for Republican candidates including Kristi Noem, Rand Paul, and Herschel Walker (as he fended off domestic violence allegations). Florida Gov. Ron DeSantisâ presidential campaign paid her, at one point, for âpolitical strategy consulting.â
Online, she started to toe the line between earnest advocate and troll. She stirred up conflict with prominent female athletes who supported trans people in sports, including Megan Rapinoe and Brittney Griner, then reveled in the ensuing coverage. In speeches, she tried out a religious tone: âI feel like weâre in this battle of really spiritual warfare,â she said at the University of Pittsburgh in March 2023. âItâs no longer good or bad or right or wrong. This is like moral versus evil.â In July 2023, the Fox-owned sports website OutKick announced the launch of the weekly podcast Gaines for Girls, whose first episode promised to expose âthe truth about transgenders in womenâs sports.â She would interview not only fellow anti-trans athletes, but also powerful anti-LGBTQ Republican lawmakers and officials, including Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and former Oklahoma public education superintendent Ryan Walters.
[...]
By early 2024, Gaines was preparing to take her fight to the legal arena in partnership with the Independent Council on Womenâs Sports, a new nonprofit known as ICONS. Like Gainesâ activism, ICONS was born from the furor over Lia Thomas. Its foundersâArizona backstroke champion Marshi Smith and swim mom Kim Jonesâhave said that they were first introduced by Gaines herself in the spring of 2022, not long after the NCAA championship.
[...] Gaines v. NCAA is even more sweeping than the current Supreme Court cases. Rather than arguing over whether states can ban trans athletes from teams matching their gender identity, the case argues that trans girls and women must be banned from womenâs sports, starting with the NCAA and Georgia. The case contends that âtrans inclusion is sex discrimination against cisgender women,â summarizes Jess Braverman, legal director at Gender Justice, a Minnesota nonprofit. In September, a judge dismissed the claims against the Georgia state university system but allowed Gainesâ Title IX case against the NCAA to continue.
[...] With Donald Trump back in office, Gainesâ political influence has reached new heights. She recounted a story recently that highlighted her access to the new administration. Right after Trumpâs inauguration, she contacted the incoming director of the US Citizenship and ÂImmigration Services, Joseph Edlow, with a complaint. Her husband, a British swimmer whom she had met at the University of Kentucky, had been unable to get a green card due to a requirement that he receive the Covid vaccine. Within a couple of days, Edlowâs office had dropped the requirement, which the immigration official confirmed personally while appearing as a guest on Gainesâ podcast. âIt would be an absolute privilege to swear him in personally to be a citizen,â Edlow gushed. Meanwhile, Trumpâs White House immediately started using its power to target trans athletes. Under President Joe Biden, the administration had interpreted Title IX to forbid discrimination based on gender identity or sexual orientation. Trump promptly reversed that policy. He signed his âKeeping Men Out of Womenâs Sportsâ executive order the day after ICONS filed its lawsuit against Penn. The day after that, the Education Department opened Title IX investigations into both Penn and San JosĂŠ State University, using the same arguments ICONS made in its legal cases. Soon, the administration announced it was withholding $175 million in federal funding for Penn over its trans athlete policy.
[...] As her clout within the MAGA universe grows, Gaines has expanded her repertoire beyond anti-trans advocacy. On her podcast, she now decries the gamut of right-wing bugaboos, from Planned Parenthood to the âdeep state.â Nor is she the only Gaines making her presence known in politics. Her dad, Brad, is running for Congress in Tennessee. As of last June, sheâd clocked 118 Fox News appearances since the NCAA championship, according to Media Matters. Sheâd appeared on the network nine times that month alone, amid an online skirmish with Olympic gymnast Simone Biles, who had slammed Gaines on X for misgendering a transgender high schooler. âYouâre truly sick,â Biles posted. âAll of this campaigning because you lost a race. Straight up sore loser.â In response, Gaines posted a video of Biles testifying that she was sexually abused by USA Gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar. âSimone Biles when she had to endure a predatory man Vs Simone Biles when other girls have to endure predatory men,â she quipped, equating trans women in sports to sexual abusers.
Mother Jones has a solid in-depth piece on how former University of Kentucky swimmer Riley Gaines turned her March 2022 5th place tie (and not being given such trophy in person) with trans swimmer Lia Thomas into a career of right-wing punditry, focusing primarily on anti-trans agitprop (with fighting trans sports inclusion in particular being her main focus).
Gaines hosts a weekly show, Gaines For Girls, on Outkick.
The Department of Education has given UPenn ten days to wipe out any records set by trans people, issue a formal apology, and agree to ban t
Ryan Adamczeski at The Advocate:
The Trump Administration has ordered the University of Pennsylvania to erase the records of transgender athletes after finding that the school supposedly violated Title IX by allowing a trans woman to compete on its womenâs swimming team. The Department of Educationâs Office for Civil Rights ruled Monday that the Philadelphia-based Ivy League university "denied women equal opportunities" by allowing trans athletes to compete in categories that align with their gender identity. It gave the college ten days to wipe out any records set by trans people, issue a formal apology, and agree to ban trans athletes going forward. The decision did not mention Lia Thomas by name, but was undoubtedly in reference to the out trans swimmer, who competed on the womenâs swimming team at UPenn. Thomas became the first known trans athlete to win a National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division I championship in 2022 when she won the 500-yard freestyle at the NCAA womenâs national competition. She has since graduated. The DOE ordered the NCAA to strip awards and records from trans athletes in February, which it has not yet agreed to do. The association did comply with Trump's order restricting trans athletes' participation, despite President Charlie Baker stating in December that he was aware of "fewer than ten" trans athletes out of 500,000 who compete in the NCAA.
The US Department of Education is trying to bully UPenn into erasing the records of trans athletes, in addition to issuing a formal apology, and agree to ban trans athletes going forward, as part of the Trump Regimeâs war on trans Americans.