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What are your thoughts on the idea of Ruby being a boring character?

Dude, this is like the opposite of an invasive question, don't worry so much 😉

Anyway, Ruby being a boring character isn't a new take, people've been opining that since volume one, and it's as dumb now as it was then.

Like, the child prodigy with no social skills who nevertheless constantly attracts new friends by virtue of her optimism and endearing spirit, who is nevertheless hiding deep-seated insecurity, grief, and self-doubt is boring?

She's a classic fairytale heroine in a setting that wants to grind that sort of hero into the dirt, she's an inspiration to people who are older than her because they see her being what they always wanted to be, and yet because she holds herself to that same standard she carries all her grief and isolation and stress alone. There's a deep tragedy to her character, but despite that, her optimism and innocence aren't a facade, they're who she truly is. She's selfless to a fault, and this is her best trait, and her most self-destructive one.

I know when you move away from all of the in-depth character analysis stuff, there's just so many fun quotes about her personality. Her love of weapons, her Gothic sense of fashion despite her youthful optimism. The fact that she's got the loudest personality of the main cast, and yet is essentially a nerdy introvert when left to her own devices. The girl is like a puppy dog in human form, but she's not dumb, just a bit silly and out of her depth sometimes (this is mostly in the early volumes, but you can see it later as well sometimes). She'll form an incredibly deep friendship with someone, genuinely, within days of meeting them, because she always sees the best in people. But then, conversely, one push comes to shove and she's faced with someone evil, she is utterly ruthless in combating them.

Out of the main cast, she simultaneously has the most to grow and learn, but is also the Paragon that the others are held up to, and that's really neat.

Weiss being aggressive with Whitley does make sense because, while yeah he had a shit upbringing just like Weiss: No one really spared any tears for Weiss when she was being bitchy and aggressive in V1-3. At most, we get Yang saying her name to attempt to comfort her after revealing her abusive childhood but that immediately gets undercut by Weiss going back on the offensive against Blake. We're generally supposed to see her as unlikeable and humorous when she's humiliated. So when it happens with Whitley, who's acting very similar, it's kind of hard to see it as unfair.

No, the issue is Weiss isn't being aggressive enough. She isn't getting on Whitley's case like she did Ruby or god forbid Blake. She isn't being snobby and entitled around him. She isn't reacting with her persecution complex from Beacon. Before Whitley started portraying himself as antagonistic, the most we get is her being suspicious and Whitley saying she was avoiding him. Which is like, a .5 on the Weiss Spice scale. Yeah, I get she's cooled off from when she started but we need some time to see Whitley as being wronged by Weiss. Weiss needed to act like she did in V1 so we can see Whitley reacting appropriately.

Or hell, just edit some lines. Cut his scene in V4 E8. Have him look sad after the scene as Weiss walks away. Give him a softer delivery when greeting Weiss in V4 E11. Have him give a more bitter tone in V7 E8 when mentioning Klein getting fired. Cut him blaming Weiss for Jacques' arrest and focus on the dire straits of the Schnee family in V8 E4.

Yeah, he technically checks on his sister when she's being locked up and mentions Klein being fired...in a manner similar to Jacques saying he doesn't mistreat the Fanaus. Basic double meaning stuff.

Yeah, he gets upset when Weiss doesn't greet him...but when Whitley is being played like a little sleazeball, portrayed as a little sleazeball and is given a scene where he supposedly stabs Weiss in the back: you're not gonna see his side. It's like saying to take pity on Jacques because his business is logically failing.

Just...something unambiguously Weiss' fault.

If I may boil what your saying down a little- from my perspective your argument seems to be pointing at a problem with Weiss's characterization, which I can agree on.

I don't personally like or hate Whitely but that's because I haven't gotten the chance to fully digest the series (need to get back to that dear god) so most I can say is that when it comes to Weiss and how she treats Whitely I do believe that yeah she should have acted more defensive around him or just outright be antagonistic to an extent, showing she hasn't fully grown out of her worst habits yet.

Which would logistically make sense and be in line with writing her character, being an. Abusive household whether physically, emotionally, or psychologically, can sometimes cause those who grew up there to take on the bad habits they picked up to survive in there.

And when interacting with even someone from that household who the victim has a negative experience can also cause those bad habits.

But other than that most I can say is that Whitely kinda needs more moments where hes not just a sleazeball, he's a kid in a generally horrible household who adopts the worst traits from that household. He's not just Jacque 2.0.

He needs both scenes where he sucks to be around but also ones where he's allowed to be human, other wise he's just boring and one dimensional with no real reason to be a part of the story.

Or I'm talking out of my ass, I can't really say much on Whitely mainly cause I haven't really gotten the time to discuss him nor see the scenes he's in.

I feel like the connecting thread between Summer lying and Ruby realizing that everyone has flaws isn't too strong. I believe a line from the Blacksmith or Ruby directly addressing it would help.

Also I think the Blacksmith's exposition may have gone on a little too long for some people. Perhaps condensing it alittle would help.

These are good interjections

The OP blocked me so I didn't see your reply. Which, fair enough, if they don't want to get notified of our discussion. It was their post, we honestly should have moved off it earlier.

I switched because you literally said your problem was his arrogance. What, would you like me to ignore that and keep focusing on the word spite? It was what I was originally talking about, with most people either claiming one or the other or usually both at the same time, and then you clarified your position on the matter. So I switched. It's not hypocritical, my dude. It's how conversations work.

You don't get to talk about me sidestepping your challenge. My response was to tell you to actually watch his damn content because that's where you'll find it if you want to see it so badly and you ignored it and then shot back a challenge at me without acknowledging it. That's not how things work, my dude. Learn about how burden of proof works, please.

If you couldn't possibly bother to look up anything on Raymond's channel that's your own damn fault, like it would be my own damn fault if I saw... idk, one video of Unresolved Textual Tension's videos and complained about Maria's flippant recapping of the book she's reviewing. If I didn't watch any time they review a book she likes and she still reviews the book the exact same way meaning she isn't flippant out of hate, me bitching about how salty she is would mean I have egg on my face. There's plenty of examples in his reactions where he praises the show's writing that tell me you didn't even bother.

You don't get to make stuff up about how you perceive someone to be when you don't bother to do anything except watch (maybe, or maybe you don't, I don't know you, nor have I looked you up. I am just responding to you as you are right now) his Fixing videos and then claim he's arrogant because he said on his twitter one time that he thinks he's better than M&K.

And really, who cares? Having a writing job on a show doesn't inherently make you a good writer. It means that their works are public and up for critique, which anyone is free to do. Writers on other shows are called bad all the time. Stephen Moffat was called a bad writer all the time who should have stayed an episodic writer. Raymond has said that he doesn't think they're BAD writers, either. Just that, like Moffat, their strengths are with shorter, more contained stories. You'd know that if you watched his content, because he's said it multiple times. Point is, Raymond backs up his words with action while most people don't. Most people just sit and complain and say 'bad writer' and then move on with their lives. Raymond is a writer and is doing FRWBY and his own content outside of Fixing RWBY.

Anyway, I do believe I didn't fully take a look at what you were saying and respond to it, you're right, so I'll correct that.

Prove it. And not by saying "this thing sucks". Actually explain in detail why certain things you take issue with are a problem and taking into account the changes Fixing RWBY has made into context. It should be easy for you to do, since you claim he didn't do a single thing better. Not a single aspect is done well. Nothing at all. So you should have plenty of material to choose one thing.

Keep in mind that I may actually agree with you on something. I don't think Fixing is perfect, but just because I don't think that something is the way that I would have done it means that it's bad necessarily. You have to look at more than one aspect before you determine the difference between it not being for you and it being actively bad. Stepping away from your personal preferences to look at something objectively, I can understand the decisions made.

Mupa and I talked about how it would have been easy to make Ren or Jaune Ozpin's host. Ren has the green theme, same as Ozpin. He can also pull off the wiser-than-he-seems aspect. Jaune is meant to be Joan of Arc. Hearing voices in his head is RIGHT THERE. Missed opportunity, if you ask me lol

Though I've said it before, I actually chewed Raymond out in vc once for replacing Oscar because I was looking forward to seeing his interpretation of Oscar. I also pointed out that the point of Fixing is to stick to canon as close as possible.

Thing about spiteful passion is that you quickly get burned out by it. It wears you down if you keep it up for long periods of time. Raymond has been working on Fixing RWBY for YEARS. Because he loves the show. He's said he loves the show multiple times on his channel. Doing a big project on something you love also wears you down, but you are rejuvenated in the end by the end product. Things made out of spite are only effective in the short term, not the long.

You're making a lot of assumptions here, bud.

That a fan, who has less power than the creators, cannot or should not have the ability to insult the writing. He doesn't insult the writers, at least as far as I remember. He doesn't say 'fuck Miles/Kerry the piece of shit' or anything like that, he says he's a bad writer. Oh. How terrible. He's made jokes before about burning idols of Miles in his backyard, sure, but that's not an insult. It's comedy. You don't have to find it funny, but it's not meant to be taken seriously, it's not a threat; the guy jokes around a lot.

That as a fan he should be held up to the same standards as the professional writers, who are held to a professional standard and judged accordingly. Keep in mind: a lot of fanfic authors out there do believe themselves better than the writers of the fandom they write for. Or unrelated professional authors. There's a reason 'I've read/written better fanfic than this' is a common insult.

He does less and risks less of himself than the original creators. What does this even mean? How do you know how much work Raymond does or does not do to make Fixing RWBY? Creating a base world like RWBY is easy. It can be done in mere hours. Or any story meant for younger audiences, not to talk about RWBY specifically. Sailor Moon is a very simplistic story whose premise and characters can be created in a few hours. Spice and Wolf is a premise that is very simplistic world building. And I've seen plenty of authors who have put blood, sweat and tears into writing fanfic, or rewriting something. Making sure the lore is correct, or references something, the characters are fundamentally the same, expanding on things, adding things that don't contradict, and if you are changing aspects of the canon lore, making sure it still is within the boundaries of what the canon is. My own fanfic is an example I've put a lot of thought and effort into with it being an AU pseudo-rewrite based on my gripes with my own main fandom, so I have to constantly cross-reference to make sure I get characterization right despite the alternate scenario and build up new character arcs from scratch despite a lot of the work already being done for me. To say that because he's building off something already established so he doesn't work hard is an insult to all fanfic writers.

This is just reiterating the point you've already tried to make. He's a fan who is not making money selling Fixing RWBY. Thinking that you should criticize a fan making a fan project is a dick move in any fandom that I know of. It's a nonsense question and just makes you look more like a bully. It's a power dynamics thing. Raymond has no real power over RWBY. He's "punching up" as they say. Anyone claiming that they should have the right to criticize a fan and say things about them because "they're doing it too" is being petty and acting like a child.

For the record: didn't Miles literally say he hates people who criticize just to be spiteful or to be mean? He called out people who do that because it's inappropriate. So why do you feel it's okay to do it when the person you're supposedly defending doesn't condone your behaviour?

Raymond loves criticism, actually. He looks forward to any time someone can give him honest critique of the show. He actively says at the end of his Fixing videos to leave comments and criticisms in the comments section. He addresses them. He's acknowledged mistakes that he's made, and strives to do better.

Not all criticism is written equal, though. Saying 'I think this thing is weak/poorly executed because of xyz reasons' is different from 'ew you did zyx how dare' or 'how dare you change [literally anything] you're a hack writer'.

One is a genuine critique talking in detail about the flaws and why they view it as a problem. The middle is saying they don't like a concept. Okay? Noted, I guess. The other is straight up being a troll or a petulant child.

Raymond takes into consideration the first, sometimes the second and laughs at the third. But he's also allowed to defend himself.

Skipped to here in your next post because I already addressed what you said above.

It's subjective. Also, you're being the second person in the example above. What else am I supposed to say here? 'Nuh uh.'

If you don't explain why, there's nothing to talk about. I do not agree it doesn't improve shit. I don't agree it bloats anything and I don't agree that the project is overworked.

Like I said, get up off your lazy ass and look at his reactions for yourself. They're right there. He talks about what he likes and what he doesn't like and everyone usually says he's consistently the nicer one of the group (to RWBY) apart from Dashie. It's not my job to make you drink, I will just point in the direction of water. If you haven't watched his reviews and caught when he compliments the show, that's on you. If you haven't seen when he says directly that he loves the show, that's on you.

But here, scroll through this guy's post. If the videos are still up then watch them. Now you can't say I didn't show you where. Because they're right there.

Eat your words.

Back to your current reply.

It literally doesn't matter, friendo.

Also you claim to know how much his book has been seen now? How many people bought his book? Since you know so much, please tell me, I'm curious. His video views on his announcement aren't indicative of that, I hope you know. The Artificer has been reviewed by at least one other youtuber, a booktuber, so it's out there. It might get picked up by more. Not everyone who casually reads books leaves reviews, either. I know I'm one of those people, because I have nothing substantial to say, or I just don't feel like it even if I do.

I ask why the hell do you care about his other works and whether they're popular. But if we're comparing here, you have a company of at least 300 people by the time of volume 2 compared to a single man. And you think a company with a budget of any kind, no matter how small it may be for marketing and merchandise is really comparable to one man? Like frig. Bigger youtubers than him don't even compare to Company money. Shadiversity for instance, for all his popularity, doesn't compare to Company money.

It's disingenuous of you to act like they are.

I'm not lying lol

Saying you're a better writer than X doesn't make you spiteful gtfo with that stupid argument lol

You're so caught up with that one little thing. Is that your main gripe with him? Would you actually think not a whole lot is wrong with Fixing RWBY if he didn't say that one singular thing you don't like? Are you basically trying to give him a taste of his own medicine? If not, then what the hell does it matter? He said something you don't like. Do you go around disliking and talking shit about everyone who has said something you don't like ever? Or do you move on because in the end it doesn't matter?

You think he's not proving himself better. Say how and why. Popularity doesn't matter, my dude. There's plenty of quality shit out there that's obscure. Look at all the things out there that bombed at the box office but became cult classics. Doing numbers is not indicative of quality.

You perceive him to be arrogant. Doesn't make him so. I think you just have a stick up your ass because he insulted someone you have attachment to and admire and you view him as a bad guy meanie head for it.

I don't think he owes Miles or Kerry anything. He doesn't need to be nice to them. It's ridiculous to think that just because his channel makes money off RWBY content that means he has to be grateful to the writers of the show and thus not say anything derogatory about them.

It's also none of your business, nor do I understand why you whiteknight (not meant to be an insult, it's just late and I can't think of synonyms) for them so much when you don't even know them personally as people. They're professionals. They're big boys with big boy pants who take criticism a lot better than you have. It's the professional world. They're not the only writers who have had mean things said about them, and they're not the last. They probably have learned to let the criticism roll off their backs and pick out what is harsh, but fair criticism and what is just people frothing at the mouth.

He's not fucking MysteriousMrEnter where he used to fly into such a rage calling them names and wishing death upon them he caused other people to harass the writers of Spongebob on twitter. He said the writing was bad. You can criticize someone's work without insulting them as people. You can criticize someone's work without thinking the writers are bad people. Raymond has shot ME down when I said they were bad writers and explained to me where he thinks their strengths are. I've said it many times. If you haven't seen him say it when he has multiple times, that's on you.

He HAS said things in a fit of rage and he regrets it. Terrible thing owning up to his mistakes and trying to be better. What an asshole.

Nah. It's because after I replied to you the first time I learned you're a known issue in the community and I had little faith in you that you would actually be honest. Plus, I'm busy; leads to inaccurate reading, for whatever that's worth. I'm making up for it with this by giving you the proper attention. If I was actually like Lilith Fairen I would have blocked you the moment you replied to me and then kept talking about you behind the block, laughing at how pathetic you were for being a rwby stan who thinks it's okay to harass small creators and blah blah despite that not being the reason you were talking to me.

I avoid "[x] critical" discourse like the plague, even for stories I don't like, so my only real frames of reference are the Hbomberguy video (which doesn't substantively cover anything after volume 3) and whatever bits and pieces I've gleaned from fans I happen to follow. As such, I don't really know much about Volume 4 onward other than the fact that there's two timeskips and everything looks a bit more polished beginning with that volume

it’s weird because pointing out bigotry in the fandom that a lot of us have experienced isn’t name calling, & is really rich from someone who’s suibaited multiple people & acted just like lilith himself.

& looking at his other posts filled with vitriol towards rwde folks, it doesn’t surprise me that he’s now misrepresenting us getting queerphobic, racist, misogynistic or ableist bullshit over & over again while pointing out what could be socially or narratively wrong with rwby as a show. p.s kob, that’s victim blaming you gadjo weirdo. ✨

one that caught my eye was his recent jaune post. he's completely misunderstood the point most rwde people have from what i've seen which is completely understandable when you have the brain & literary compentancy of a walnut but still.

no one has said jaune had "too much time" in v7&8, in fact a lot of us praised that he was remaining a supporting character in lieu of rwby leading the way as it should've been from the beginning. the only issue arose when it was jaune who killed penny & then fell into a lead role with the girls yet again by falling into the void with them.

now people are rightfully worried that jaune is yet again going to leech more screen time from the girls in a volume they already have to share with neo as their villain & whatever new superfluous characters are introduced for this volume. & the worry isn't unfounded because it's been this way since the beginning of the show; jaune ousting one of the girls so unnecessary focus is given to whatever plotline he has — the bullying arc, his stuff with pyrrha, his fight against cinder / semblance awakening, etc. considering he's now done something as momentous as killing a beloved fan favourite in an assisted suicide, the worry that his arc will overtake ruby's emotional beats yet again is to be expected.

Not really ‘fallen out’ per se. I still enjoy watching the show and talking about it, even if I sometimes have negative things to say about it and haven’t really kept up much with the Fairytales anthology that’s come out recently.

RWBY’s a show I enjoy most ‘in the moment,’ if that makes sense. It’s genuinely a fun way to burn through my Saturday morning and shitpost my thoughts. I suppose if you want to call this a ‘falling out,’ it’s more or less because the longer off-season has left me with little new material to really talk about.

I still find Ironwood’s fall interesting to watch in Volume 7, even if I feel that it’s follow-through in the next season was a dud. A lot of the characters are still fun, and looking deeper into what the show may ‘really’ be communicating can be entertaining. RWBY often promises a lot more than it’s really capable of delivering, but even with that, I still have fun watching where it’s story is going to go next.

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

How is it that we can see so little of Adam in vol 1-3, and yet people are so certain that he was a completely different character than what he ended up as? It's not like he tried to blow up a train without caring about the innocent people on board,

It's not Blake, in volume 2, told us about how Adam had changed and began to justify his terrible actions more and more to her

Just because he didn't side with Cinder at first because he didn't want to cooperate with humans doesn't mean he was still a golden hearted freedom fighter, you noodles.