As someone thats still super new to fl and just played the es, what do you mean by mr wines is a judgement? @@
Hi! tbh Iâm not sure if youâre asking the right person (literally), since Iâm one of the few excited people who hasnât mentioned Wines being a Judgement. Someone like @dreamlordmorpheus might explain it better. But Iâve attempted to explain. Please feel free to hmu again if you need clarification. :DÂ
The below information used to be Deep Lore, so it isnât easy to find in Fallen London itself. But itâs now less spoilery thanks to the basic premise of Sunless Skies.Â
In the FL universe, stars are called Judgements. Judgements are at the top of the Great Chain of Being, which is similar to the real-world historical concept. They rule over the lower levels of the Chain (i.e. everyone else). So theyâre like uncaring gods. Sunlight enforces the Judgementsâ âLawsâ, empirical concepts like time, mortality, physics, etc.Â
The Masters are Curators, a batlike merchant-and-hunter species usually serving the Judgements. We didnât know much about Curators until Sunless Skies. The Masters are pariahs among Curators for several reasons; thatâs why theyâre in London now. In-universe, thereâs a book about the Mastersâ indiscretions. If you Google âa secret about the Masters fallen londonâ and click the first result, youâll learn more about it.Â
The fandom is still struggling to match each taboo activity to the appropriate Master. But before this ES, it was widely accepted that Wines corresponds to âfailure and defeat; a fall from king to beggarâ. This was because Winesâ sceptre was a reward from a seasonal event, and Winesâ second Fate-locked Christmas gift is a crown. The text for acquiring these items implied that he wants to leave his past behind. We didnât know if âkingâ was literal (beggar doesnât seem to be) or, if it was literal, what he ruled over.Â
Now weâve seen All That Dramatic Stuff About Wines in the new ES. It revealed exactly how powerful he once was. This is where it gets a bit complicated:
Based on some Sunless Sea and FL content, itâs possible for individuals to ascend/descend the Great Chain by changing form or species. In Sunless Sea, a Judgement descended. (âŚKind of.)Â
On Tumblr, itâs a fairly popular theory that a missing Master, Mr Eaten, was a Judgement who descended to become a Curator. I canât say much about that, because details about Mr Eaten are major spoilers. So this new ES is a big deal - itâs not about the same Master, but it confirms that the old theory is reasonable and it opens up exciting new possibilities for other Mastersâ backstories.Â
However, outside the Tumblr fandom, less people think any Masters were Judgements. Some people totally reject the conclusion that Wines is a Judgement because the ES doesnât explicitly say so and there are unclear or dubious parts. For example, maybe a Judgementâs word canât be âbrokenâ, because anything a Judgement says is âLawâ. Wines was definitely a king, but they think he was a Curator king who brokered deals for Judgements instead of an actual Judgement.Â
Personally, Iâm not 100% convinced Wines is a Judgement, but I donât dismiss it. imo it isnât debunked just because some parts vaguely clash with existing lore or subjectively sound âoffâ. And even if âWines is a Judgementâ turns out to be non-canon, I donât think thereâs any harm in headcanons, especially compared to past misconceptions spread by fanon about other topics.Â
Anyway, unless you already love the Masters, donât worry about it while youâre still at the start of FL! Some parts of the lore are deliberately confusing, and familiarity with the Masters isnât essential to understanding other parts of the setting. The Mastersâ species didnât even have a name until FBG started writing Sunless Skies. I think most of the Mastersâ characterisation predates worldbuilding about Curators. So for now, you probably wonât see much more of this particular lore in Fallen London besides future seasonal events or Exceptional Stories.Â
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Colors - i fucking love BLUE babey!!! CRAYON CERULEAN!!!, indigo, prussian, sapphire, cyan, zaffre, COLBALT???? i go fuckin crazy for that shit
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Last Movie - Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2Â Â :)Â
Last Book - If you donât count all my fucking textbooks the last book i finished was Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson by Jeff Guin and iâm currently working on Common Ground: A Turbulent Decade in the Lives of Three American Families by J. Anthony Lukas (Shout out to my social science teach for letting me borrow her books)
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murder meme // @amaranthinepride2. face stab! ouch
Ivan knows it is not a fight he can win, he has realized by now that this ability user (if what this person does can even be called an ability) outranks him by an immeasurable gulf.
But, consider: a losing fight cannot mean anything to a man who is incapable of valuing his own health over the protection of his [House] and the sanctity of his lord.
So Ivan fights on regardless, and when he finds an opening it is with glee that he takes advantage of it. Putrescent smile curving over countenance as a crack ripples over the ability-shield. Ivan doesnât know why, aside from that all humans (or all entities, demons, whatever this man is) make mistakes. Ivan is here to take advantage of mistakes he has pressed and pressed Leon to make. Ability is too clunky to pierce (all humans make mistakes just as they get tired, and beautifully refined forms are too much a waste of energy at this point), but:
an important lesson, friends, always carry a knife.
Polished blade sinks through the shield and slices skin on Leonâs cheek. (It is so refreshing to see that he does, indeed, bleed. He is not so inhuman as to lose the ability to be cut. The beautiful colour of spilt blood! Drops like roses.)
The surprise, the fact heâs injured, gives pause. Knife darts back and Ivan presses forward again to tear the blade into Leon a second time, a third--
And heâs cackling as Leon grabs his wrist and stops Ivan; even if his wrist is broken in this move, at least Ivan gets the personal satisfaction of seeing blood and fury fall down Leonâs face.
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4th wall who?!?!?! - amaranthinepride and primordialerebus
@amaranthinepride
(with my mouth touching the microphone)whats up bitch, whatâs good. No you didnât do anything to me I jsut wanted to call you a bitch. Please donât end me.Â
@primordialerebus
Babe, if you need someone to value you, I will. Iâm on it. You befriended my sweet bean Kavya and treated them nicely so I shall return the favour. And I am, of course, biased towards shadowy cryptids.
Hey I'm so sorry but I remember you mentioning a netflix show that gave off major mag arc vibes? I was just wondering what the name of it was again! Thank you!
oh dont apologize its all good
it could be one of two things because i honest;;;; dont remember;;;
Castlevania or Haunting on Hill HouseÂ
theyâre both pretty good just radically different in like every way. haunting on hill house is a live action horror with family/drama elements with so many good good psychological themes and castlevania is an animated horror with family/adventure elements and so many good good religious themes and i think if you like tma youâll like both