#jainism

A Jain bowing at the feet of a statue of the saint Gommatesvara

@this-is-ableism @this-is-saneism

This is kinmisia and ableism, specifically saneism. And perhaps speciesism too?

Your argument mentions past lives so I'm assuming this argument is mostly directed towards spiritualkin and will answer with that in mind.

Now let's get into it

(PT: Now let's get into it)

Thinking you’re an object is really weird…I can understand therians and thinking you have a past life as an animal, but an object??

Bro has never heard of animism and it shows. Animism is the belief that everything has a soul - even plants and inanimate objects. At the very least, animists believe that everything has the POTENTIAL to have a soul.

Here are some resources:

Animism by Wikipedia

Animism by the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

Animism: The First Religion? by ReligionForBreakfast

ANIMISM: The Oldest Spiritual Belief in Human History by History Store

Approaching Spirit Work - An Animist's Perspective by Chaotic Witch Aunt

Objects aren’t living, how could you be an object?? Even if it’s a plant, that’s weird.

And here is a reminder to everyone that "it's weird" has never and will never be a good or valid argument on any level whatsoever. Either bring SOURCES or kindly keep quiet about subjects you have no knowledge on.

Even if it’s a plant, that’s weird. Plants don’t have a brain and can’t think like an animal or human does???

Okay... and? Are you saying that it's weird/not valid to identify as a plant because they're somehow "lesser" than fauna? Because that's what it's sounding like you're saying and that's a bit fucked up, to be honest.

Also you mentioned past lives. I don't know why you're trying to get scientific now. Yes spirituality and science overlap in many ways but you brought up reincarnation and I'd like to take this chance to remind you that we have absolutely no scientific evidence for a soul, so I don't know why you brought up past lives and then tried to get scientific with it.

Would also like to say that scientists are pretty up in the air about plant intelligence and sentience. While spiritually speaking, many religions and paths believe in plant sentience. From the dryads of Hellenism to the Fae and nature spirits of Druidry. From Jains respecting plants as sensing creatures to even Native American spiritualists that work with the spirits and wisdom that plants and even object can give us.

You aren’t an object or a plant, that’s just being delusional?? I genuinely don’t understand how that’s possible.

Oh you're a Jain? And you like elephant allegories? Here's another one. Since you're a Jain, surely you know this one by heart. 

It's an example to demonstrate one of the three core tenets of Jainism: anekantavada. It translates to "no-one-perspective-ism", which asserts that reality is multifaceted, that no single human perspective can capture the absolute truth. Basically, all humans are blind, and they perceive the reality based on what they are accustomed to, therefore the truth is relative to the viewpoint and context from which it is observed.

I'm astika myself. Arsheya Astika logicians have refuted anekantavada and its logical system syadavada, for example the nyaya argument is that if all judgments are merely conditional or "partial truths" (syat), then no definitive, reliable knowledge (pramana) can exist. Even for kevaladvaitin astikas, even when there's maya, there's still one absolute truth in the paramarthika satya, that is eternal Brahman and atman, and this is what Jainas don't believe in which is why Jainas are also philosophically nastikas, like the Buddhists. Speaking of which, two of the core tenets of Bauddha philosophy are kshanikavada -everything is momentary, and anicca -impermanence. Jainas believe that jivas are permanent. Bauddha philosopher Shantarakshita argued that if in Jaina philosophy, a jiva is "permanent" as a substance but "changing" in its modes, it effectively means it disappears and reappears every second, which is a "logical contradiction". Another Bauddha philosopher, Dharmakirti, was far more crude, he called the Jainas shameless (ahrikah) for holding views that he believed destroyed all linguistic and conceptual boundaries, making communication impossible. Jaina philosophers, such as Akalanka, had their counter arguments to nyaya critique. Although I'm astika myself, I respect Jaina philosophers, and as an intellectual, philosophical tradition that made astikas sharper too. These philosophical debates in ancient India is what made ancient India the kind of prosperous and advanced society back when most of the world was uncivilised.

I have only seen on twitter by some edgelord Jain traditionalists that they are bitter against Hindus for the Girnar dispute, which is, apparently, a conflict between Jain and Hindu communities over the ownership and worship rights on Mount Girnar in Gujarat. The dispute focuses on the 5th peak, which Jains consider the Nirvana place of Neminath (22nd Tirthankara), while Hindus worship the site as the footprint of Lord Dattatreya. Those Jain edgelords also boast that it was Tirthankara Neminatha who imparted the wisdom that Krishna later shared with Arjuna on the battlefield of Kurukshetra, and that both Krishna and Arjuna went to naraka for the Kurukshetra war, but Krishna was commuted from the lowest hell to an upper hell because he devoted himself to Jain monks. To this, some online Hindu edgelords have boasted about the Koon Pandiyan incident (a hagiographic legend where a Tamil Shaiva king converted the Jain Pandiyan king to Shaivism and impaled 8,000 Jain monks), or that Basavanna's followers killed Shwetambar Jains. Basavanna's followers are Veerashaivas, or Lingayats, by the way. Gauri Lankesh was a Lingayat and advocated throughout her life that Lingayats be legally separated from Hinduism :). The Hindu online traditionalists also say how the aforementioned was a reaction to the Kalabhra rule. You have to understand that these incidents in South India are purely hagiographic tales, with little to no evidence that they actually happened. The real life disputes are mostly about the Girnar and maybe about Jain disapproval of some Hindu practices, such as pashubali, and vice versa. Otherwise, there's only been co-existence in harmony.

Jains are considered the wealthiest group in India with high economic, cultural and social capital. I can't for the life of me understand what you are bitter about against Hindus. Has there ever been any indication that the Republic of India is oppressing you? Has the Modi government told you that they will trample you like grass? Jains are a notified religious minority, they possess certain specific constitutional protections that are not available to Hindus. According to the Article 30(1), Jains have the right to establish and administer educational institutions of their choice. This provides them with greater autonomy than Hindu-run institutions, for example, Jain institutions can reserve up to 50% of seats for Jains. Unaided minority-run institutions are exempt from state-mandated reservation policies for SC/ST/OBC categories. Jain institutions have more freedom in appointing staff and determining their own syllabi, subject to state regulations for academic standards too. Jains are also eligible for various Central and State government welfare programs specifically earmarked for minorities, such as scholarships (pre-matric, post-matric), subsidized loans for education, and specialized coaching for competitive exams, despite generally being the wealthiest group in India.

#जैन_धर्म_की_सच्चाई

जैनी मूर्ति पूजा में विश्वास रखते हैं। ये अपने तीर्थकंर को ही प्रभु मानते हैं,उन्हीं की मूर्ति मंदिरों में रखते हैं। जबकि मूर्ति पूजा का विधान किसी भी सद्ग्रंथ में नहीं है। शास्त्र अनुकूल साधना को जानने के लिए देखिए

#जैन_धर्म_की_सच्चाई

yet the words of Kabir Sahib Ji remind us:

'WITHOUT A GURU, THE ROSARY AND THE GIFT ARE BUT EMPTY GESTURES; THIS TRUTH IS ECHOED THROUGHOUT THE VEDAS AND PURANAS.'