#geists

a rwby theory about the more unique grimm in salem army

I believe that every single one of these grimm was salem own attempt to permanently get rid of ozma (but obviously non of that worked)

Now obviously oz is not really easy to get rid off you can't destroy his soul with raw physical force he will just go to a new vessel

And trapping him in some sort of cell for any lengthy period of time is a fools errand for multiple reasons namely

Weakened or not oz is still one of the most powerful entities in the planet there is not a cell in existence that Salem can make that will keep him locked up for any significant lengths of time

Even if she by some miracle makes a cell he can't escape he can always just end his current life and go somewhere else

So salem had to get creative and she obviously never had the privilege of jinn or any of the resources oz has so she just did what she does best and used the grimm

Let's start with the obvious example

The apathy

Oh oz keeps breaking out of his cell?

Good luck escaping with your willpower getting sapped away

But this obviously didn't work because apathy even in bulk took awhile to have an effect on huntman having a crisis of faith on someone like oz it's a mild irritation

Especially earlier on when he had more hope

And even if it does work he'd just starve to death

Now im grouping the chill and Geists because i believe these two are part of the same "product line" of grimm so to speak with their similar abilities of possession

I believe the Geists are the prototype to the chill being able to possess non living objects such as rocks dust or trees very useful but obviously they can't do junk to oz since they can't effect living entities

The chill is the "definitive" version of the Geists losing the raw power from the ability to control objects in exchange for being able to possess living entities

But they failed as well since while it's never showcased in the main show as the chill never makes an appearance in the main continuity outside the fairytale it does make an appearance in the dc comics where it gets overpowered by love

Seeing as there is no reason for it to not be the case in canon i think it's fair to presume it still has that weakness

The nightmare definitely one of the more obvious ones here oz can't really fight his way out of her dungeon or end his life if he's asleep right?

Somewhat wrong

This is definitely one of the ones that could work but there are a few variables during ice queendom team RBY and jaune are able to enter weiss dream and fight the nightmare so it's not out of the question oz host or oz himself could also fight and eject the nightmare

And there is a trend with grimm that effect the mind thats says they can be fought off with raw will so this might apply for the nightmare to

There is also the possibility there is nothing to be done about the aura drain part which would just kill oz allowing him to escape to another host

And now finally

The beetle

Okay now hear me out

I know the beetle is a bit of a weirder choice since it's used for the maidens but it did split amber soul so it appears to have soul sucking abilities

Soul sucking abilities that could possibly be used to rip oz out of his body and either put him inside a person of her choice to serve as a container or maybe even absorb him to use as a tool

Now it's purely theoretical since there is no evidence to suggest that incapacitating oz was the beetle original purpose but we can still draw some hypothetical conclusions on why it won't work and why we don't see salem use this even when she had oscar at her non existent mercy

During volume 5 and 6 we see that oz can and will take control of his host if he feels the need to so sticking him in the body of an underling might just end badly since she's potentially giving oz an even stronger body to fight his way out with

And trying to absorb him herself is way to risky since she's risking him assimilating her which would be bad for more reasons then i can be bothered to list

Here's some ghosts