#fandom oranges

Yeah, I’m also worried about that. I hope there’s a good explanation for all this secrecy and it is better revealed soon. Because this Misha erasure starts to look like a petty revenge. It’s not a secret that Misha is not treated really well by TPTB. I mean if they can get away with humiliating Misha on SDCC stage after s12 finale, who knows what they say to him when there are no thousands of fans watching? 

The hiatus has barely started and already some folks are dead set to splinter the fandom even more. If anyone is curious, see this twitter thread and check out the video link there. These people were attacking Cas girls for years and called us too emotional, too Cas centric, too illiterate to understand precious subtext  and what not. Now, when they have successfully driven many Cas girls out of fandom for good, they are turning against each other. Go figure. 

.... oh, right

2/5 he is one of the more interesting/ memorable characters in SPN so I can see why he might be the first villain some people think of, and there’s a sort of caricature-method of writing villains I see in fic which means they become kind of two-dimensional plot devices for convenience. By the same token, though I don’t post fic, I do write it and I have also used him to populate bully groups on a couple of occasions, and given that I have been uncomfortable/ragey, both with this and with 

3/5 SPN’s bullshit vis-a-vis POC/women/queer people/etc in general, maybe I should not have done that. Something for me to think about. So. Yeah. Sorry if I offend at all, or if you just wanted to let out spleen in peace, but thank you for making the post. I saw your tag “(and I’m such a chicken shit)” and I appreciate that you posted anyway. Your tag commentary is also always very gratifying to read and I was relieved in the spring when you made that post clearly identifying the fandom policing

4/5 happening to diminuel as exactly what it was, since I didn’t understand how it could be happening in the first place (A+ on your tags then as well). Which isn’t to say you should post things if you’re uncomfortable, because this place is terrifying, but. I appreciated it now as well as then, so thanks for doing it! Sorry for rambling, I don’t expect you to respond, and again, sorry if I should not have commented. And have a very nice day!

5/5 (P.S. thanks for mentioning Bartholomew! I don’t understand why I don’t see him the most. I know it’s just how they wrote/styled him but whenever I see him in gifs or episodes I suddenly feel like I should watch my drink, even though I’m at home in my pajamas)

First of all, thanks for your message! My inbox is open, so it means I welcome asks and any kind of venting, anons included. When it will get too much I will close the box, that’s all. 

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Oh, nonnie, there’s a lot to unpack here but first things first - Not all destiel meta writers. Writing destiel meta and discussing it with your friends on your blog is a lovely fandom activity and doesn’t make a fan into a bully. The actions are important. I think we all know that you mean a certain group of people who are destiel meta writers and fandom bullies. You can recognize them by their attacks on other fan accounts here and on twitter, you can recognize them by the vitriol and rude language they use in their posts when talking about other parts of destiel fandom. I guess destiel fandom has been dealing with bibros’ attacks for so long that some of their tactics have rubbed off and now this group, this fandom positivity police, is using the same tactics. I gotta say that this was not the usual state of destiel fandom tho. I think it was hiatus after 12x23 when some people in destiel fandom really decided to go after Cas fans. This is also time when pan fandom antis were getting more and more active and you can see the same tactics used by our own positivity police - aggressive language, the need to correct different opinions by going to ppl blogs, attacks on content creators they don’t like (the recent fanartist thing), labeling parts of fandom so it’s easier to vilify and attack them (remember when they were looking for dark Cas stan blogs? before deciding to call us “rabid”). The absolute inability to see different, critical opinions without jumping on them. All this combined with the classic anti behavior of elevating themselves above the rest of fans. The only difference is that in other fandoms antis claim to ship the most pure ship, while in destiel fandom they claim to be “proper” fans because they support the show and Team Free Will, unlike those yucky one character stans. Which, lol, is exactly what bibros used to say to Cas fans. So, this brand of aggressiveness is nothing new to Cas fans. And yes, it is driving folks away. I think we all have noticed that spn/destiel fandom on tumblr is shrinking. There are other reasons to leave fandom than just positivity police, but they certainly can give that final push to Cas fans to walk away. I’ve already lost several mutuals, Cas fans, who left tumblr after dealing with them. 

The attack they waged on @destielette1 was absolutely despicable. They were itching for a fight so much that they pretended not to know how anon messages work or that copy/paste exists. Like I said, if you don’t want to see someone’s opinion, scroll by, block, ignore. But if you decide to attack people, then that’s on you, then you are a bully and an anti. The new low these bullies have sunk to is their attacks on ESL fans for grammar mistakes. Like, this is so, so low, I’ve no words. And here’s a kicker. From what I see on my dash, a lot of Cas fans share at least one of these markers - not US american, not white, not native English speaker, and/or live outside of the first world countries. We are already outsiders in some sense in this very us-american fandom. So, when you have these US/UK native English white fans attacking Cas fans for liking Cas and expressing it in sometimes incorrect English, this is beyond pale. And it also shows that they are unable to win any discussion without reverting to personal attacks. And yes, they do it all in the name of positivity and defending the “virtue” of white male SPN writers, which is double ironic. I get such a “I’m not like other girls” please senpai notice me vibe from their posts. As if being “morally superior” and silencing different opinions in fandom spaces somehow will guarantee their desired outcome on SPN.

about that other thing under the cut

Thank you for letting me know you found my post useful! I made it because I was personally upset. I don’t make original posts often, I rather prefer to keep low profile and just enjoy fandom where I can, but well. Some things are harder to ignore than others. The only good thing that has come out of it so far is the amount of posts making fun of it. It’s good to see so many Dean and Cas fans collectively saying f*ck that, this is not Dean talking. 

Since they dropped that blasted promo, I’ve been thinking about the phrase itself, the scene with Cas backed into the corner, the finger pointing, and it is hard. I’ve talked to my friends who share my feelings. We are waiting for the episode to air to have full context, but for now I will repeat - that scene was attention grab, possibly it was even written with intent to use it in promo to boost ratings. We are now on episode 18 out of 20. This is peak destiel baiting stretch. SPN does it every year before decidedly anti destiel finale - 10x20, 11x18, 12x19. And I didn’t watch s13, but 13x19 has a deancas conversation in kitchen which iirc was a big deal back then? Something about Dean and Cas actually talking to each other while alone. with only one table between them

I’ve also seen the positive spins on You are dead to me scene, and I understated the need and desire to explain it as a necessary step towards endgame destiel, the darkest point in the relationship, etc. And I just … guys, I remember the same things being said before s10, and s11, and s12, and s13 finales. Cas fans have been told to suck it up for the greater good so many times, and the promised destiel resolution never came. Guys, it’s a feature, not a bug at this point. Remember how many passve aggressive scenes folks brushed away in s13 in the name of destiel-y finale? “Cas is like a talking dog!” was explained as a foreshadowing for Dean to say Yes to Michael to save Cas. And in the end, we were left with many negative moments that were never balanced out by something positive. But god forbid if Cas fans complain about it.