#eternalism

Here is an interesting Reddit convo discussing how Eternalism likely works in Warframe!

This makes sense, as Wally does seem to be capable of overwriting things!

Isleweaver is him attempting to overwrite Duviri with Hatefic, and 1999 is only alterable Hex-Quest Style because Wally snuck into the Loop and springed the proverbial mousetrap

It’s great to have someone point out that Eternalism may NOT mean ‘Multiverse’, and that the force that allows for Multiverse Nonsense is The Void, specifically, and how it interacts with The World Of Dust!

Plus the idea of Wally outright Weaponizing and creating (conceptually embodying, even) Timelines to throw them at us is very Fun and Scary.

And it means that Warframe’s WoD/Normal World ISN’T a Multiverse but can BECOME one if the Void gets too rampant. Because whilst the WoD is very much Finite, from the perspective of Infinity all choices are equally valid (or invalid) and with the Void, perception seems to be reality to an extent!

Something something Wally’s Head looks like the Split Experiment in Quantum Physics, and Particles in that experiment act differently depending on if they’re Observed.

This seems an Important design choice, but I can’t decide if the ‘Thing that is Changed when Observed’ applies to just The Void, or both the Void AND the WoD as a Recursive/Mirrored act of Observation!

Mother/Euleria explains this. Time is more like a block than it is a series of branching timelines dividing reality up. All of the sides (of which there are an incalculable number) of this block exist all at once. They are static, composing the total "shape" of time. Each side is no more or less substantial than any other. Each side represents a sequence of cause and effect.

So what are the Strands of Khra that Fibonacci brings up? Loid tells us. They are conceptual embodiments. Meaning they did not exist until someone tried to understand time, and came up with the concept of a "timeline." Thus, time and reality predates them, and thus they are not fundamental to the existence of either.

So why are the Strands of Khra important? Because they were conceptualized as being a fundamental organization of reality and time, they can be used to manipulate them. If you think there is a strand of time, that if poked and prodded, can change the course of events, than it will be so.

This is bad for us, because Wally can interact with these Strands. He's outside of time and reality. HOWEVER, Fibonacci also tells us because Wally is without his finger, he is bound to the limitations of the Strands of Khra. Meaning he can only do with the Strands of Khra what we can conceive of. This likely goes for any other Embodiment. If we Conceptually Embodied a Norg that was too heavy for Wally to pick up, then he couldn't pick it up. Presumably, if he gets his finger back, he could supersede any Embodiment we could come up with.

Time for unpopular opinion.

I support Entrati. Yes, you feel me - I made a great work and avoided all 'yesbroheisbad' choices in dialogues with Hex and etc. I can't support my friends when they tell me things like 'booo, Luvoid, he could do better, he ruined too much, he is baaad, boooooo'.

Hold on. Here are we, Destined Tenno, a Great Mystery Drifter, Cool irl Player, ok. Here is Entrati - a science person, who made The Worst Possible Mistake that Noone Could Ever predict, who faced The Worst Evil - for a long time alone, solo, face to face, and Entrati did his best to keep Origin safe from The Devil.

Later he had to erase his existence and say bye to his family, friends, his life. He could not trust nearly everyone even himself.

He created The Plan how to kick Indifference's butt outta here and he already expected US to show up one day but we were never promised so he could not count on us.

And then he left with keeping precious Loid as safe as possible and as guarantee that at least someone will be still here to continue, to tell truth, to lead the fight, if Entrati fail - the more ppl knows, the more would be in a literal danger, cuz Indifference react when you are attentive to it, you become a flaw, a door.

When we catch up with Entrati, he already made his decision to sacrifice 1999. He didn't know we will show up. We changed situation, we helped Entrati in the way he will never goal alone without us. He had to destroy one world to save eternity of others. He did a hella of hard work with all that cooking with infestation plus gaining trust of ppl plus calculating events. He needed that energy. Remember, one world in exchange for eternal pool of them. You can't eat a pie and still have it, yeah?

So, look, eternalism is amazing yet none of the worlds are magic golden key with the fairytail solution for winning against Indifference. Every world is real world and real world isn't sweet and rainbow and not even fair mostly as you expect it to be from your point of view.

You may still say that Entrati is bad. Ofc. I'm here to explain my opinion, not to change yours. But I say - my homie Albrecht doing his job and he's doing it so damn good. Origin still exist and Indifference didn't nullify everything. My praises for this lonely man.

what if, in another eternalism thing, there is a timeline where the *parents* get void powers, and the *children* go rabid feral

wally seemed keen on finding out what happened if you pitted children against their parents. i feel like he'd find the reverse interesting as well

"In terms of the perception of time, many physicists would argue that the perception of time, the flow of time—that the past is no longer real, the present is real, and the future is not yet real—is an illusion, or a mental construct, or something imposed by the brain. And this is the debate between what we call eternalism, or the block universe, and presentism. So under eternalism, the past, present, and future are equally real. And under presentism, only the present is real. And that's how we perceive. And this is the fundamental debate about what's the nature of time. And there's this ongoing debate where the physicists say, "Hey, you neuroscientists figure this out, because obviously time is not flowing. Why does it feel like it's flowing?" And then the neuroscientists say, "Well, you physicists figure this out, because, you know, time is flowing." But the physics is really mostly the interpretation in which, because of relativity, the physics doesn't have a specific point—"you are here" doesn't say there's anything special over here. The equations of physics are time-symmetric, or time-reversible. So that leads to one interpretation: that the past, present, and future are equally real, much like space. You can be anywhere in space; you can be any moment in time.