#bitchbrows

@kyoandyuya yall need to chill. You are comparing two completely different Sasukes..one where he is much older and advanced in his skills to one who was more controllable 12 yr old that was affected by the curse mark. Now, why would Karin stand up to someome who she very well knows is more skilled in combat than herself. It wpuld clearly be suicide. She was smart and shortly after Sakura came in and foolishly tried to pull the i will obey then attack when he least Expect it..with a kunai. Karin has stood up to Sasuke when he made foolish choices outside of fighting which isnt her forte. She acknowledges her capabilities and is logical with that in mind. Sakura yas been more passive with Sasuke than karin has and you were pretty unfair in the comparisons.

Uh huh. Yeah because somehow Sakura standing up for Naruto’s sake again after his descent to darkness went under the radar. Hello Land of Iron!

Fact is, Karin has never stood up against Sasuke. The author has even made her tendencies to be his doormat a joke. Immediately after saying she’ll never forgive him for stabbing her, she’s cooing over him and rubbing herself over him, saying she “can’t help it”. She speaks in gibberish and the Japanese text actually has hearts in her bubbles during this scene, while Sasuke has a comical face of exaggerated horror. Karin is a total pushover around Sasuke and the author makes light of both her behavior towards him and his dismissive treatment of her.

Meanwhile when Sakura struggles with her feelings towards Sasuke when he is in his darker stages, the tone of the manga is very serious and emotional. This is because she genuinely loves Sasuke and his coldness, whether directed at her or not, troubles her.

Compare that to Karin, who really doesn’t give a damn about how nasty Sasuke might become as long as it’s not directed towards her, and even when it IS directed towards her, it’s turned into comedic value and she forgives him immediately. As a sensor, Karin was VERY aware of what was happening to Sasuke during the Kage summit, yet she did absolutely nothing to stop him and didn’t even seem concerned about it for more than a panel. She just immediately jumped when he told her to and went back to being his yes-man. Karin watched him kill people, watched his chakra change, watched him become dark and violent, and did absolutely nothing. She did not care.

What did Sakura do when she saw Sasuke headed down what she feared was an irreversible path into darkness? She opted to kill him. Sure, she was unable to stab him in the end, but this was an EXTREMELY intense and emotional scene, and she was ultimately unable to kill him because she remembered the gratitude she had shown him when she had told him she loved him so many years ago (take note that when Karin “forgave” Sasuke and was unable to hurt him, there was no flashback or anything remotely serious).

She did not even let him off easily by immediately accepting his apology. Sasuke had to repeat himself and be more sincere in his apology because he knew he owed her one.That is what a true self-respecting individual do in the face of standing up for herself. She wanted him to know that he had hurt her and she would accept nothing less than a sincere apology. She knew she at least deserve that much.

Please forgive me for waiting until I’d read the chapter to answer this! I actually wanted to do something more than just on the circulation when it came to the final chapter.

I--I only just realized I didn’t see Freed or Bickslow. At all. If they were in that chapter, I didn’t notice it. Did he seriously not even bring up two of the Thunder Legion? And the one that got prominence, naturally, was on Elfman’s arm.

By even the hands of the one she loves? I'm sorry but Sakura's love for Sasuke was poorly written and handled by Kishi. Her biggest flaw was that unhealthy love she had for Sasuke that she put even before Naruto. She almost cost Naruto and the otgers lads back in part 1 their life by pleading to save Sasuke and yes it was their choice but it shows that she didn't put much consideration on others as much as she shouod have...Especially with the amount of damage Sasuke had done. She relentlessly chased him while pregnant with Sarada and Karin had to be the one to take care of it.There is no greater bad ovsession than Sakur ahas with Sasuke. Karin's was purely for comic relief but she was much wiser

Okay, at first I thought we could have a decent conversation, but some of the things you’ve just stated are so wrong and I’m not gonna stand for it.

“Her biggest flaw was that unhealthy love she had for Sasuke”

Excuse me? You’re gonna call Sakura’s love for Sasuke unhealthy, when Karin’s love was the one that was often depicted as obsessive?

You’re gonna call Sakura’s love unhealthy, when Karin was the one who could only think about how cool Sasuke looked when he was severely injured?

No sorry, that’s a complete and utter farce. Someone who advocates Karin’s affections for Sasuke is in absolutely no position whatsoever to be describing anyone else’s love as being “unhealthy”.

“unhealthy love she had for Sasuke that she put even before Naruto. She almost cost Naruto and the otgers lads back in part 1 their life by pleading to save Sasuke and yes it was their choice but it shows that she didn't put much consideration on others as much as she shouod have”

Can you seriously not see how little sense this makes? Are you honestly going to shamelessly reach that far, as to actually accuse Sakura of putting her love for Sasuke above the safety of Naruto and the others, simply because she pleaded with them to bring Sasuke back, despite the fact that they had all agreed to go on the mission long before Sakura had ever said anything? Goodness gracious, that’s beyond preposterous. I honestly can’t believe what I just read. You think she almost cost them their lives by wishing for their success on a mission that they agreed to partake long beforehand... Words fail me.

How on earth does it show a lack of consideration on her part? Please, I’d love to hear you fruitless try to justify this absolutely absurd comment. As I said, her pleading with them to get him back was essentially the same as her wishing that they succeeded on their mission. What was wrong with that? My goodness I can’t get over how silly this is...

“She relentlessly chased him while pregnant with Sarada and Karin had to be the one to take care of it.”

Please show me the explicit scene which indicates that Sakura chased after Sasuke “while pregnant”, because I’m going to clarify this to you in the simplest of terms: Not a single translation says anywhere that Sakura chased after him whilst pregnant, not one.

Not the (ever so inaccurate) MangaPanda version:

Not the MangaStream version:

And not the Viz version either. The Viz translations have always been considered to be the most accurate version, and it dictates that not only was Karin not with them on their travels, but also that Sakura didn’t catch up to Sasuke while pregnant at all:

And here’s another thing which you guys just don’t seem to understand. If Sakura chased after Sasuke while pregnant, that would mean that Sasuke and Sakura had to have consummated their relationship in the village before Sasuke left, meaning Sakura had to have been pregnant before she left to catch up to him, meaning Naruto would have seen her pregnant, and would have therefore known how and when Sarada was conceived. Thus, he wouldn’t have had any doubts about her parentage, and wouldn’t have been fooled by the results of the DNA test, but he was, because he wasn’t aware of when Sarada was conceived. Why? Because she was conceived during Sasuke and Sakura’s travels. Therefore, Sakura didn’t chase after Sasuke while pregnant. It’s easy to connect the dots.

Not only that, but they’re not gonna have sex before their marriage, which they obviously didn’t hold in the village either. Their marriage took place before they conceived Sarada, meaning that Sakura had caught up to Sasuke before any of that had happened, meaning he was present for her birth.

“Karin's was purely for comic relief but she was much wiser”

I don’t think it’s author favoritism, or at least.just that..Levi, Erza.and  Kenpachi especially, are fan favorites. And it’s pretty much considered too ‘risky’ to kill off fan favorites as the magazines that contain these mangas lose money because fans drop/lose.interest in the manga because their favorite character has died…So I wouldn’t just blame the mangakas..It could also be the editors pressuring mangakas to focus more on certain charas cos of their popularity.

I have serious doubts about how much that applies to Levi. While it’s true that fan popularity saved Sasha Braus, who was the most popular character in the entire manga? More popular than Levi himself? I’ll tell you who, the Colossal Titan. That was an icon, the biggest symbol of power and futility in the series. That did not stop Isayama from killing him off--nor was he prevented from killing off Erwin Smith, another fan favorite.

Here’s an easy way to tell if Isayama in particular is favoring someone. One of the biggest themes in the story is how, when set up against impossible, unstoppable foes like the Titans and Titan Shifters, no amount of bravery can hold up forever and you’re not guaranteed a glorious, admirable death--even if you’re a seasoned, hard veteran, the death you get may involve you screaming for help and being torn to pieces, be too scared to act properly, or just plain having a very unglorious death. It happened to Squad Levi one by one, and it even happened to Mike Zacharias, probably the most skilled human soldier there was after Levi. The sheer horror of their fates made holding up their dignity a very unrealistic concept. Again, this applies even to the Colossal Titan.

Now tell me--can you see a death like that happening to the heroes? Levi in particular? Or Mikasa? You can’t, can you? Hell, when Erwin died, he went out fighting no matter how futile it was, and gracefully accepted his own death. Even when Armin died, he faced a very, very painful death via being steam-blasted with enough heat to burn his flesh off with more dignity than pretty much anyone in the series had mustered, and pain tolerance was never his strong suit.

That’s how you know. The unclean, unsightly or undignifying fates don’t apply to the heroes Isayama likes, only the villains or non-villain characters he doesn’t care for.

Now, I can’t say when it comes to Kubo. I know Kenpachi Zaraki was a massive fan favorite (for reasons I can’t fucking fathom, seriously I don’t get it), and that may have prevented Kenpachi from getting the death he very much had coming. But nontheless, that doesn’t excuse what happened. Kenpachi could easily have been put up against opponents where his powers would have been more believable--despite how stupid his fight with Nnoitra Gilga was, that was indeed what Kubo had in mind. He matched the bladed direct combat specialist with another bladed direct combat specialist, as against any of the other Espada Kenpachi would’ve been pretty damn helpless. Gremmy Thorneaux was not an opponent Kenpachi could stand against. Any number of the Sternritter--there were 27 of them--would’ve made a better match against Kenpachi. Fan favoritism may have been what assured Kenpachi staying alive, but it is not what wrote the fight scenes and battle match-ups. If Kubo wasn’t going to keep Kenpachi in fights he could realistically win, he should instead have given him a realistic loss. Neither happened, which is why I think it’s author favoritism.