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thank you steven spielberg for creating a male and female protagonist who are the only two people of their kind on earth, who understand each other better than anyone else, "whatever you do, don't let go', who are literally DESTINED to meet each other and are literally spelled out to be goddamn soulmates and narrative foils
and not making their relationship romantic even though it would've been the easy thing to do.
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Hi gang I'm posting again but this time it's just exclusively about Kylo Ren(d) from Star Wars rewrite (to legends degree) that me and @flydinom made together (they made cannon-adjacent Hux).
Any Kylo Ren girlies here please his personality is nothing like in cannon. I changed him so much he's my own blorgo at this point. But I hope you enjoy his tormented soul. Btw nothing personal but Reylo shippers you can block me.
Like Grandfather, Like Grandson: In Defense of Ben Solo/Kylo Ren
[THE FORCE AWAKENS: Kylo Ren regards the helmet of Darth Vader.]
Ben Solo, like his grandfather before him, meets the diagnostic criteria for Borderline Personality Disorder. I lead with this as a reminder that, despite the fantastical nature of the Star Wars franchise, its characters are still people, and we can and should talk about them in grounded terms. There may be no real-world analog for the Force, but there are real-world analogs aplenty for its effects on the people who wield it; for men in the Skywalker lineage, those effects look a lot like mental illness. While it may not be accurate to say that the Force causes said mental illness, its intense physical and psychological demands run the risk of exacerbating its usersâ emotional vulnerabilities. If an individual is especially emotionally vulnerableâor especially Force-sensitiveâthat risk compounds.
Bearing this in mind, I ask you to recall that Ben Solo is groomed from childhood by a malevolent entityâSnoke, or Palpatine, if you want to acknowledge the existence of Episode IXâto believe that his strength in the Force is directly correlated to what we, as a modern audience, might recognize as the severity of his disorder. Explosive outbursts, self-hatred, self-harmâŚeach of these symptomatic behaviors is reinforced as crucial to his training in the Dark Side. His identity is broken down and rebuilt into the Kylo Ren we meet in The Force Awakens over the span of years in a vicious and frequently violent reward-punishment cycle by a predator wielding him as a weapon, and his fear of abandonment is used to keep him in line. Whatever else he may be, Ben Solo/Kylo Ren is a victim of abuse.
[AGE OF RESISTANCE: SUPREME LEADER SNOKE: A displeased Snoke strikes his apprentice.]
Of course, none of this excuses the murders. But it does beg the question: Why are some people tripping over themselves to empathize with Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader while insisting that Ben Solo/Kylo Ren got what he deserved?
Because, in case weâve collectively forgotten, these two are paralleled across the films, novels, and comics more times than I have teeth. Legacy of Vader (Thank you, Charles Soule, for your service.) is the comic equivalent of Lucasfilm grabbing fans by the face and going, âSee? See? See?â It does both characters a disservice to love one and hate the other, ignoring that weâre meant to see them as two sides of the same coin.
[LEGACY OF VADER #12: Ben Solo, in the guise of Darth Vader, appears to Kylo Ren.]
Common justifications for this love-hate dichotomyâand my counterargumentsâbelow:
âKylo Ren is a whiny wannabe-Vader!â
I meanâŚyes. Thatâs the point. Heâs emotive, much like Anakin in the prequels, and the narrative beats you over the head with the fact that heâs trying to fill Vaderâs shoes. (Or helmet, as it were.) What about this makes Kylo Ren a less sympathetic character than Darth Vader?
[AGE OF RESISTANCE: KYLO REN: Decades apart, Darth Vader and Kylo Ren fight to subdue the Benathy.]
While I, personally, would never describe Vader as stoic, this particular complaint reads as a byproduct of attitudes toward masculinity that prioritize stone-faced endurance over anything approaching mental and emotional wellbeing, rather than any kind of meaningful critique. Thereâs nothing inherently noble about suffering in silence, and thereâs nothing inherently ignoble about verbalizing pain. Kylo Ren and Darth Vader are made less sympathetic by their willingness to inflict their suffering on others, not by their âwhiningâ or lack thereof.
âBen Solo turned to the Dark Side for no reason.â
Ben Solo makes many terrible decisions, several predating his adoption of the title Kylo Ren. Itâs not inaccurate to say that he is, to some degree, responsible for his own suffering. Itâs also not inaccurate to say that none of his decisions are made in a vacuum.
Canon tells us that Snokeâs influence starts earlyâearly enough that Leia factors it into her decision to send Ben to Luke for training, even if she chooses not to discuss what she knows with her son or her husband. Canon also tells us that, through some cocktail of fear, shame, and avoidance, Leia, Han, and Luke manage to keep the Skywalker-Vader secret from Ben until his early twenties, at which point he has been struggling with both the influence of a powerful Dark Side Force-user and the suspicion that his family fears him for the better part of two decades.
Itâs worth noting here that Leia, Han, and Lukeâs actions are analogous to the real-world actions of parents who hide family histories of mental illness from their children. Their decision to withhold the truth further isolates Ben, as he likely believes heâs the only member of his family struggling with a call to the Dark, and it does nothing to provide him hope that this struggle can be managed, if not completely overcome.
[THE RISE OF KYLO REN #1: Snoke communes with Ben Solo in the aftermath of Lukeâs betrayal.]
Consider, for a moment, learning that (1) your family has been keeping secrets from you, (2) one of those secrets is your direct relation to the most feared Sith in recent galactic history, and (3) your perceived similarity to said Sithâyour grandfatherâhas been poisoning the well of your familyâs love for you since you were a child. Then, consider these revelations being followed in short order by the singularly terrifying experience of waking to the sight of the galaxyâs most powerful Jediâyour uncleâstanding over you with his lightsaber drawn and the Force âmoving darklyâ around him. If Ben previously had any reasons to doubt Snokeâs voice in his head, we can assume they crumble with Lukeâs Jedi temple.
[THE RISE OF KYLO REN #1: Ben Solo seeks comfort in the arms of his new master.]
Anakin Skywalkerâs fall from grace follows a similar, albeit not identical, trajectory. Born into slavery, separated from his mother (by distance, then death), and thrust into a galactic war at the tender age of nineteen, he experiences significant trauma both before and after Palpatine begins his manipulation. Anakin is both extremely Force-sensitive and extremely emotionally vulnerable, despite the systems in place to support him: a blood brother in Obi-Wan, a lover in PadmĂŠ, and a council of mentors in the Jedi. Granted, the Jedi have their problemsâthe Council is mistrustful and withholding at times, which in turn leads Anakin to lean more and more on Palpatine for guidanceâbut they recognize Anakinâs potential and nurture his development in the best way they know how.
Where grandfather and grandson differ most starkly is in the immediate circumstances of their respective falls: Ben Solo turns to Snoke for safety after being betrayed by a loved one via an attempt on his life, while Anakin Skywalker betrays his loved ones and turns to Palpatine for the promise of power over death; Ben Solo believes he has no home to return to and will not be forgiven, while Anakin Skywalker has a home in Obi-Wan and PadmĂŠâboth of whom have established their willingness to forgive truly shocking acts of violence; Ben Solo tries to flee Lukeâs Jedi temple without harming any of his fellow students and only fights when backed into a corner, while Anakin Skywalker leads the slaughter of his Jedi brothers and sisters almost immediately after aligning himself with the Sith.
[Excerpt from SKYWALKER: A FAMILY AT WAR.]
Given the above, if weâre willing to accept the narrative justification for Anakinâs fall, I fail to see why we wouldnât accept the narrative justification for Benâs.
âBen Solo caused all of his own problems.â
Wrong. Or, more precisely: Tell me you donât understand the impact of childhood emotional neglect without telling me you donât understand the impact of childhood emotional neglect.
Leia and Han are good people. Leia and Han are heroes. Leia and Han are loving parents. Leia and Han also spend a significant amount of time away from their son, to the extent that Ben spends a solid chunk of his childhood effectively raised by droids.
[Excerpt from SKYWALKER: A FAMILY AT WAR.]
Put simply: Leia Organa and Han Solo have responsibilities to the galaxy that come into conflict with their responsibilities to their son, and little Ben Solo is a child with complex developmental needs that his parents are unequipped to meet. Yes, some of their shortcomings are due to their inability to fully grasp Benâs connection to the Force, but I would argue that Ben suffers less from a lack of mystical understanding than he does from a lack of emotional support.
Ben Solo is a tender child; he cries easily and often. Even as a toddler, heâs regarded by his father as having eyes far olderâand presumably sadderâthan his years. His first conscious use of the Force is entirely benign: fetching a favorite plush toy from across a room. He loves his parents and idolizes his uncle Luke. Ben Solo is not, as some Star Wars fans would like to believe, born bad. (No one is. But thatâs a post for another day.)
What Ben Solo is is lonely.
Heâs different from his peers; he struggles to make friends. Even before he learns the truth about Anakin, his sense of self is split down the middle: pulled toward both Light and Dark. He carries the twin burdens of his familyâs legacy and the galaxyâs great expectations from a startlingly young age andâterrified of their disappointment and rejectionâhides his feelings of inadequacy from the people he loves. Ben is afraid, and this fear leaves him vulnerable to isolation and manipulation. When Snoke offers him power and purpose, it works because Ben Solo believes he cannot be loved as he is.
Heâs wrong, of course. Ben Solo is lovedâand so, impossibly, is Kylo Ren. But being loved is not the same as feeling loved, and none of the adults in Benâs life, except for Snoke, are able to identify this gap.
Certain fans love to pin all the blame for Benâs fall on Ben himself while railing against the Jedi for failing Anakin, but multiple parties bear responsibility for the rise of Kylo Ren, and this is acknowledged explicitly in canon.
Select examples below:
Luke
[Excerpt from THE LAST JEDI film novelization.]
[Excerpt from THE LAST JEDI junior novelization.]
[Excerpt from SKYWALKER: A FAMILY AT WAR.]
Leia
[Excerpt from THE LAST JEDI film novelization.]
[Excerpt from THE LAST JEDI junior novelization.]
[Excerpt from SKYWALKER: A FAMILY AT WAR.]
Han
[Excerpt from AFTERMATH: EMPIRE'S END.]
[Excerpt from THE FORCE AWAKENS junior novelization.]
[Excerpt from SKYWALKER: A FAMILY AT WAR.]
If youâve made it this far, you may be wondering where Iâm going with all this. If so, I hope youâll indulge me just a bit longer as I attempt to land this metaphorical transport.
Anakin Skywalker fears loss, and his pursuit of an end to this fear makes it come true. When we first meet him in A New Hope, his wife is dead, his brother is in hiding, and the Jedi Order is no more. He trusts no one but the master who lured him into the Darkness. Darth Vader survives his past self in a lonely half-life, filled with rage and regret.
Ben Solo fears loss, and his pursuit of an end to this fear makes it come true. When we first meet him in The Force Awakens, his parents are dead to him, his uncle is in hiding, and the Jedi Order is no more. He trusts no one but the master who lured him into the Darkness. Kylo Ren survives his past self in a lonely half-life, filled with rage and regret.
The tragedy of Darth Vader is that he canât turn back. The tragedy of Kylo Ren is that he can.
So, why doesnât he?
The answer to this question comes, of all places, from the swamps of Dagobah, where the Cave of Evil confronts Kylo Ren with his greatest fear: not an enemy, or even his own inner darkness, but a vision of his uncle, hesitant to strike, and of his parents, ready to forgive.
[AGE OF RESISTANCE: SUPREME LEADER SNOKE: Kylo Ren receives a vision of his parents.]
This is why Kylo Ren fights so desperately against his own redemption: because if he can be forgiven after destroying Lukeâs temple, murdering Han, and terrorizing the galaxy as Snokeâs apprentice, it means his family loves him, still; and if his family loves him, still, it means they never stopped, that the voices in his headâsome his own, some his masterâsâhave all been wrong, or lying, and that heâs never had to be anything but what he is.
Ben Solo, like his grandfather before him, wants nothing more than to go home.
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kris being confirmed/heavy implied to have a one sided crush on susie and catti being confirmed/heavily implied to have a one sided crush on noelle. im hitting the walls screaming crying etc.
despite suselle being canon, i REALLY REAAALLLLY enjoyed chapter 5. i haven't completely finished it yet (my pc was abt to blow up from one of the final fights) but i enjoyed myself a lot. the areas were beautiful, the ost was AMAZING, the new mechanics were extremely fun, and (MOST) of the characterization was stellar.
at the same time, expect 20 different comics about me (through the soul) being absolutely horrified at the idea of suselle being canon + jealous & irritated kris.
because if the awesome, badass, embodiment of hope and determination that i act the most like myself around, even when the interdimensional entity taking my autonomy that i HATE makes decisions to be around her leaves ME with the girl who USED to be my best friend and now barely acknowledges my existence when she's around said embodiment of hope and determination, that i TOTALLY LIKED FIRST, i would be pissy and open a dark fountain too.
i wholeheartedly support kris dreemurr's rights and wrongs from now on.
"ughh i can't BELIEVE they changed the main character in Hexed to be a GIRL. why did they do that!! we all wanted a BOY main character from disney and pixar!!" ok? then go watch toy story or toy story 1 or toy story 3 or toy story 4 (arguably) or cars or cars 2 or cars 3 (arguably) or up or elio or luca or monsters inc or monsters university or wall-e or a bugs life or the incredibles (arguably) or finding nemo or coco or the good dinosaur or onward or soul or lightyear or the lion king or robin hood or bolt or bambi or meet the robinsons or big hero 6 or treature planet or atlantis: the lost empire or aladdin or the jungle book or mufasa or brother bear or wreck it ralph (arguably) or chicken little or hercules or ratatouille or the fox and the hound or the emperors new groove or tarzan or the jungle book or
Decided to count the number of leads based on if its a boy or a girl in both Disney animation (theatrical productions and not Toon studio sans Ducktales)and pixar, and anyone saying that there arecmore girl Characters in Disney animation as leads missed things.
For girls total as leads (ie they are the main protagonist that we follow)
35 (thats including Billy from Hex as of now, if we include love interests/ siblings-parents-kids/ friends as co protags that would be 57 in total)
For boys total as leads its:
85 (if we include the above it becomes 108 in total)
One of the Big things about Brave when it came out was that it was the first female led Pixar film and you know what, Pixar still has LESS female leads than disney animation.
Girls for leads are only 7. (Add in the above specifications and its 23)
Boys come in at 18 (same as above you get 29)
So talk of how its mostly girls is not correct as a vast majority of Disney products are, and have been, based around male leads.
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