karen leaning into mattās hand in that scene always felt so intentional to me. like bc he canāt see her, sheās instinctively using touch and body language to reassure him, to let him know heās allowed to reach for her. itās such a soft little detail.
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when weāre at our most fragile, the first person we think of is the one we want beside us- who we trust most, who we miss most. maybe thatās what love really is. ā¤ļøš«
idk guys, iām just not that excited for s3. at this point it feels less like daredevil and more like defenders 2.0 and thatās exactly my problem. i donāt want more characters, i want more depth. i want to actually watch the main characters.
iām not even excited for defenders bc ddba s2 already felt crowded enough, so how is s3 supposed to handle even more? like⦠was locking matt up until the last two episodes really the solution? ugh.
they shouldāve had their own separate shows. dd s1 and s3 worked so well for a reason- the focus stayed on matt and his story.
and off, do we really need another ex when we already have lady muse/heather? pff. i donāt wanna watch elektra. i donāt want side plots that pull focus from matt when we barely get enough of his own story as it is.
i swear if her return has nothing to do with foggy and sheās just back for the sake of being there⦠oh boy. iāll have a lot to say and i wonāt be apologizing for any of it.
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of course the other side, the k/ astle shippers like the news, because its so obvious only they care for zombie/toxic ex and even miss psycho glenn (who matt never opened up to, it's frank he talked to about foggy, she is that irrelevant) just so they can shit on matt and in their delusion that is a perfect way to put karen with frank. only they'd be pleased with new photos. if anyone even uses a single brain cell, you'd know it would amount to nothing. she will most likely be there to cement karedevil ship, it'll be final nail in the coffin when matt will again declare his love for karen in front of miss zombie, if she is even in present and its not some flashback scene.
karedevil is the ship of the show and even comics. the thing with frank is like rhaenicent, please ignore if you ship it but it never existed in any book and came out of nowhere and has made house of the dragon a laughing stock. it literally destroys all characters and story.
of course people who hate matt would care for she who wont be named, miss glenn or any random person because it frees karen for frank. this is so typical shipping behaviour, everyone knows it.
matt told the world about himself, putting a big target on his back for karen the one he loves, who is his soulmate, his foundational love interest, his, not anyone else's, he feels at peace with her. and what they think he'll run off with miss horrid, toxic ex ( i hate her) or karen will jump to frank who actually needs help from doctors, he is that ill. i dont know what frank's illusion even means, insult to his dead wife or karen. or maybe its just shippers like the actor and want him to "get the girl".
the show has shown again and again karen will chose matt over anyone else, she rejected frank's offer of coffee, she didnt even stitch him up, its matt who accepted his offer of coffee, not karen! but i guess we cant hear or see or understand as long as its not in favour of our ship.
sorry, I went on a rant but as someone who does like Frank I just cant stand kastle, I hate it. I love matt/karen and want their happy end. the 180 degree, no 360 degree turn they had frank do when he literally was the one in season 2 who told karen to hold onto to murdock. it's astounding.
late response, sorry š
and oooh⦠first of all, e*ektra coming back mustāve been such a relief for the kastle side. especially after the punisher special, i can only imagine how much more excited they got. and honestly? it feels a little pathetic to me, bc deep down i think even they know their ship was never really plausible. like, as long as matt exists, karen wouldnāt even look at frank that way.. š¤·š¼āāļø thatās why e*ektraās return feels like the only loophole they can cling to for their fantasy.
and the thing they keep ignoring (or deliberately refuse to see) is what the show has been screaming at us for years: matt loves karen. deeply. and he has never pushed her aside for e*ektra. when did that even happen? in s2 he hated lying to her, was terrified of losing her, and the man literally couldn't even control his own senses, right????
meanwhile kastle fans have spent years hating matt, the literal protagonist of the story. theyāll excuse every flaw in frank, but matt will forever be the liar, hypocrite, a cheater. and itās just⦠strange. bc if you look at the narrative with even a little objectivity, itās obvious the show isnāt about to repeat the exact same cycle. matt is not making those same mistakes again.
and honestly, i never even wanted e*ektra back. her entire vibe on the show always irritated me, and i found her storyline boring as hell. š¤ ( iām already tired just thinking about s3 𤨠) i genuinely hope sheās only around for an ep. or two and disappears as fast as she arrived.
of course, that possibility is way too tempting for both kastle and mtte*ektra fans.
but like you said, matt knew exactly what he was doing when he gave up his identity. he was willing to walk into that miserable cell just to free karen. and at this point? neither of them is walking away. not karen, not matt. if anything, that whole year apart only proved to matt how essential she is to him. the man was practically haunting his own life from longing alone. would he repeat the same mistake? i really donāt think so. and karen would never leave him in that state either.
bc at the end of the day, matt and karen are exactly where they want to be: with each other. not out of obligation, not to fill some void, but bc thatās where they choose to stand.
tbh, iāve got no rational explanation for frankās 180 either. at this point iām not even sure they know why they did it.
and no, you really didnāt overdo it. i agreed with so much of what you said. could sign my name under every word.š
( rhaenicent??? i had no idea that was even a thing š)
letās not forget in dd s2 matt and karen were only just starting to like each other. their relationship was new, fragile, and it didnāt take much to break it apart.
butā¦now? ??? seeing people still compare them to what they were ten years ago.
god⦠mattās last line in ddba2 was literally āI LOVE YOUā to KAREN!. goodbye.
i wonder what karen thinks about how matt revealed his identity to just her the first time, and then years later did the exact same thing for everyone just to get her out of prison... like did they ever sit down and talk about it???
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iām so tired of these weird forced love triangles. like genuinely exhausted. itās 2026 and weāre STILL doing this same relationship drama and trying to drag the audience into pointless ship wars every five business days.
from the writers to the producers to the actors to those fandom accounts farming engagement off every little interaction⦠iām tired of everyone involved in this nonsense dynamic.
and no iām not apologizing for saying it.
so what exactly are we supposed to believe here?
why does karen always have to be the one calming frank down even in hallucination scenes? why does frank keep projecting his wife onto her? where is this even going? what is the point of this relationship narratively?
is the endgame supposed to be karen leaving matt for her āreal impossible loveā frank? frank screaming every 2 episodes while karen stands there trying to emotionally regulate him?
matt keeps telling karen āi love youā like heās trying to make up for every single day he couldnāt say it for a whole year⦠that man is literally clingy in loveā¦.
guys iām literally trying to pull myself together right now bc WHAT did we just watch??? iām breathless. the episode was so good. i actually screamed during the scene where matt revealed heās dd š¦ and the fact that he did it for karen⦠(again) my heart is melting š« š« and zero regrets too! god, him just calmly going to her first thing to hug and kiss her, he would literally do anything for herā¦.
fisk losing it and killing everyone in his way absolutely terrified me again, that man is ruthless. but honestly, iām fine with them making a deal again. i get that matt, no matter what, refuses to kill or let people be killed. itās just so him.
and the indian restaurant scene?? okay i wonāt even deny that i teared up. seeing them talk and giggle like that was amazing, itās exactly the karedevil i have in my head. i was lowkey expecting a proposal at the end but iām not gonna be negative about it lol, maybee weāll just see them already marriied in s3 who knowsā¦. iām just so happy we got another "i love you" and that door detail? chefās kiss. š
also, luke and jess are such a cute family
note: matt looks insane in a prison outfit, heās so hot for what?? anyway š
what WAS that karen this episode??? her anger, hesitation⦠that whole war going on inside her, i could literally feel it. when she said she still has nightmares about wesley??? and then still completely losing it when dex said foggyās name⦠like that was so real, so human it actually hurt
and matt⦠after he knocked the gun out of her hand, that breakdown??? the way she started crying??? after holding it together for so long and then just having nothing left in their hands⦠the exhaustion, hopelessness⦠god
hereās another headache for meā¦.. i just saw some comments on ig a moment ago and to calm myself down, i stare off into the distance and take deep breathsā¦
people who donāt even like karedevil saying they are ābetter as best friendsā or ābusiness partnersā or, worst of all, calling them āsiblingsā is DISGUSTING. like actually disgusting. theyāve literally been fucking for years!!! at this point just go get your messed up mindset checked.
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Ep. 5 kind of left me a bit confused, honestly. i was expecting the flashbacks to hint at something about foggyās deathāor maybe even suggest heās still alive. that part didnāt really meet my expectations. still, i did like how foggyās influence, which started years ago, continues to shape matt even after his death (at least as far as we know) that was genuinely nice to see.
also⦠iāve really missed foggy. his energy completely shifts the tone of the show in the flashbacks. the contrast is actually pretty striking- it almost feels like two different shows at times. the lighting, locations, dialogue length, camera work, even the way the internal conflicts are handled all feel noticeably different.
i have nothing to say about vanessa drinking pineapple juice or buckās backstory.
anyway, iām really curious to see karen yelling at matt in the next episode.