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I’ve always been enamored by the dark side of Kirby. When your expecting cuteness through the whole game and stuff like this come up, it just feels so out of place, which ends up making it creeper.
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hey i was wondering do you know chinese symbolism for lesbians? just wondernig
Hi, thanks a lot for the question, just in time for pride! @fouryearsofshades got a similar ask recently as well, I have some long ass explanations so I’ll answer to this instead of reblog.
Mirrors
A common one I read about is the term 磨镜 mojing or “polishing mirrors”, which apparently refers to both lesbianism and specifically a lesbian sex act. Maybe scissoring given the imagery? It wasn’t very old and probably dates no earlier than the 19th century. Apparently there was a whole lesbian club/organization named after this term in belle epoque Shanghai (1890s-1910s) called the 磨镜党 or “polishing mirrors society”, according to the collection of accounts from the Qing Dynasty 清稗类钞 compiled by 徐珂 Xu Ke in the 1910s.
Hair updos
Another term for lesbians specific to the southern Canton coast region is 自梳女 zishunv or “women who coiffed their own hair”. This term wasn’t confined to lesbians, but rather a type of women who chose not to marry and remained single their entire lives by either working in the textile industry to sustain themselves or forming communities with other single women; a lot of them happened to be gay. After the local textile industry went downhill after the republican era, many of these women became maids to wealthy households to earn an income instead. The hair updo symbolized marriage i.e. a married woman would have her hair up as opposed to young, unmarried women who wear their hair loose, so by “coiffing one’s own hair” without getting married, it’s implied that this woman doesn’t need a man. Although Chinese society was never actually homophobic----there was no religious condemnation in Confucianism or Buddhism that I know of, lesbianism was frowned upon not because it’s “unnatural” as commonly argued by Western conservatives, but because lesbians don’t marry men and make babies, which is really sticking the finger to the patriarchy. However I haven’t really seen reliable literature on either of these things so take them with a grain of salt.
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Export painting of a lady and her maid from the Daoguang Era. The grown up, matronly lady in formal dress has her hair up and in a headpiece, whereas the younger maid wears her hair loose.
Lilies
The most common modern Chinese euphemism for lesbians is 百合 baihe, meaning "lilies". This term was of Japanese origin and has the most epic and convoluted history. For some reason I never learned about its origins until I actively looked it up for this ask?? It was very intertwined with Japanese queer and ACG (anime, comics and games) culture in the 70s and 80s. I haven’t done too much reading on this topic and I will probably use a lot of ACG terminology wrong so if anyone is more knowledgeable about it feel free to correct or add.
The term allegedly originated from a 70s Japanese gay magazine Barazoku 蔷薇族 which created a segment specifically for women in 1976 due to the high volume of submissions and fan mails from female readers, named 百合族的房间 or “the lilies’ room”. It’s unclear why the producer of the magazine chose lilies specifically, but the common explanation seems to be a reference to the writer 宮本百合子 (not sure about the spelling of her name) who was speculated to have been in a sapphic relationship and whose name contains the word for lily flower 百合. Initially the term seems to refer more to women who fetishized or admired mlm relationships (what we nowadays would probably call fujioshi) but as time progressed the segment moved away from fan submissions and became a sort of personal advertisement space for meeting other women who loved women, whereas the former female fanbase submitting mlm stories and fan mails proclaiming their love for mlm relationships emigrated to doujin and related BL magazines. Hence the term “lilies” became synonymous with lesbians.
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1978 cover for Barazoku.
The magazine’s practice of referring to gay men as roses 蔷薇 and gay women as lilies 百合 gradually took hold among its female fans, many of whom were readers of shoujo and shounen literature with homoerotic themes as well. These readers then brought this terminology to ACG circles, where it was coopted by several female oriented BL and GL magazines. In these magazines, the meaning of the term “lilies” was transformed into something more symbolic of platonic lesbian relationships or strong bonds between women. However, going into the 80s there were more and more female readers of Barazoku and homoerotic ACG literature who came out as gay and cited these as inciting incidents to their self discovery, solidifying the motif of lilies as symbolic of lesbianism. I, too, was a fujioshi and overly enthusiastic ally before I realized I was a raging homosexual myself, so I could relate.
As time progressed further and homoerotic ACG literature (BL for mlm and GL for wlw) became solid genres of their own, a wider variety of representation became available and the term “lilies” was no longer restricted to platonic relationships; more physical and explicitly sexual lesbian interactions could also be labelled “lilies style”, and many different sub genres existed too.
Another common explanation for why lilies were used in shoujo literature is that they were chosen for their symbolism of purity, supposedly symbolic of the innocent nature of wlw attraction. This is an implication I’m not exactly fond of because it has serious r/sapphoandherfriend energy (“gal pals”, “omg they’re roommates”). Platonic lesbian relationships are definitely a thing, ace lesbians I see you, but given the constant erasure of lesbian sexual desire in the media this is not exactly helpful.
Speaking of platonic relationships (incoming tangent), I watched the 1987 movie Maurice last week and it is so good, everyone go watch it. It explores a lot of the themes I was thinking about when looking into the dynamic between real life queer experiences in Japan and the fantasy gay world created by ACG literature, including but not limited to the boundaries between a “platonic” gay relationship and being closeted/repressed, conforming to real life heteronormative pressures and the risks of being actively queer in a homophobic society etc.. I’m not even making sense right now I just want everyone to watch that movie... It’s also an aesthetic dark academia fantasy, the music is beautiful and it subtly shades Tories, which I love. It’s incredible that a movie about gayness and classism from the 80s actually aged well.
Ok going back to the lilies symbolism. This second explanation seems to have less factual backing, as we have previously established the connection between Barazoku readers and the ACG scene in the 70s and 80s.
Nowadays, the term “lilies” is used more or less interchangeably with GL, 蕾丝 or 拉拉 (both endearing translations of “lesbian”) on the Chinese internet.
Here are the articles and web pages I consulted for this information: x, x, x
I'm really grateful for this ask, I learned an important piece of East Asian queer history today. If anyone knows good books/articles about this part of queer history please let me know, I need to know.
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oooh have you ever done a post about the ridiculous mandatory twist endings in old sci-fi and horror comics? Like when the guy at the end would be like "I saved the Earth from Martians because I am in fact a Vensuvian who has sworn to protect our sister planet!" with no build up whatsoever.
Yeah, that is a good question - why do some scifi twist endings fail?
As a teenager obsessed with Rod Serling and the Twilight Zone, I bought every single one of Rod Serling’s guides to writing. I wanted to know what he knew.
The reason that Rod Serling’s twist endings work is because they “answer the question” that the story raised in the first place. They are connected to the very clear reason to even tell the story at all. Rod’s story structures were all about starting off with a question, the way he did in his script for Planet of the Apes (yes, Rod Serling wrote the script for Planet of the Apes, which makes sense, since it feels like a Twilight Zone episode): “is mankind inherently violent and self-destructive?” The plot of Planet of the Apes argues the point back and forth, and finally, we get an answer to the question: the Planet of the Apes was earth, after we destroyed ourselves. The reason the ending has “oomph” is because it answers the question that the story asked.
My friend and fellow Rod Serling fan Brian McDonald wrote an article about this where he explains everything beautifully. Check it out. His articles are all worth reading and he’s one of the most intelligent guys I’ve run into if you want to know how to be a better writer.
According to Rod Serling, every story has three parts: proposal, argument, and conclusion. Proposal is where you express the idea the story will go over, like, “are humans violent and self destructive?” Argument is where the characters go back and forth on this, and conclusion is where you answer the question the story raised in a definitive and clear fashion.
The reason that a lot of twist endings like those of M. Night Shyamalan’s and a lot of the 1950s horror comics fail is that they’re just a thing that happens instead of being connected to the theme of the story.
One of the most effective and memorable “final panels” in old scifi comics is EC Comics’ “Judgment Day,” where an astronaut from an enlightened earth visits a backward planet divided between orange and blue robots, where one group has more rights than the other. The point of the story is “is prejudice permanent, and will things ever get better?” And in the final panel, the astronaut from earth takes his helmet off and reveals he is a black man, answering the question the story raised.

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A twitter thread by Caitlin J. Stout @CaitlinJStout from Feb 25 2021 reading,
A friend asked the other day what percentage of people I went to youth group with “deconstructed” and what percentage remained evangelical. As I thought about it, I realized that for the most part it was the kids who took their faith the most seriously who eventually walked away.
Those of us who tearfully promised that we would follow Jesus anywhere eventually followed him out the door. The Queer kids, more than anyone, learned exactly what it meant to work out our faith with fear and trembling.
They told us to read the Bible and take it seriously and then mocked us for becoming “social justice warriors.”
Now they’re warning us not to deconstruct to the point of meaninglessness.
But they took a chisel to God until he fit in a box. They “deconstructed” the concept of love until it allowed them to tolerate sexual abuse, celebrate white supremacy, and look away from kids in cages.
Some of us got to where we are because we took it all to heart. We took the most foundational elements of our faith to their natural conclusions. Folks who deconstruct evangelicalism aren’t drop-outs; they’re graduates.
Hey while you're loving elephants: Denver Zoo has two teenage boy elephants and one Old Man Elephant named Groucho, and lately they've had the lads housed with him so he can teach them Proper Elephant Manners like how bulls raise teenage boy elephants in the wild. Bull elephants are apparently very into being parents but due to the matriarichal nature of most herds, they really only get to raise calves after they've hit puberty. My point is, one of the boys was being annoying and chasing rabbits so Groucho came up and jabbed him in the ass with a tusk, the lad ran around the enclosure crying then came back and did a lot of "I'm sorry I'll be good now dad" fawning and it was adorable.
OH MAN SEE SEE SEE i wish we knew so much more about how bull elephants interact with herds and families - we've documented bull elephants traveling to matriarchal herds and fake wrestling with male calves, and we've documented bulls protecting orphaned calves, but in god's name i want every in and out about it. everything we know about elephant social interaction is not enough. it's a Thing that introducing old bulls to a population lowers the amount of younger bulls in musth, also known as the state in which bull elephants desire nothing but murder and possibly sex, but - i want to know the precise mechanisms. old bull elephants teaching younger bulls manners renders me VERKLEMPT. i just wanna know every secret elephants have.
this is incredible though. peak teenage boy. groucho has his hands full and i fucking love him for that. get their asses, groucho.
So from what I understand, as remembered from nature programs and the zookeeper lecture, is that Old Bulls reduce the violence i young bulls by putting them through Elephant Finishing School.
This is better documented in African Elephants than asian ones because they're easier for elephant biologists to observe by the means of 'sitting on top of a jeep and taking notes' but the general scope goes like this:
Elephant herds are largely matriarichal as both a means of protection- elephants have a long childhood and it's easier to protect calves in a group, AND as a socio-political means of sexual choice.
An African elephant is pregnant for nearly two years, then she spends at least 3-5 years with that calf completely dependent on her, so she only gets a few opportunities to have babies before she hits menopause, and it's a lot of damn work so she is naturally EXTREMELY picky about who she mates with. And if she's younger, her mom, sisters and grandmothers will also be real picky about who she mates with and WHEN too- can't go around risking a teenage pregnancy, especially not with asubstandard male. Elephants also have a pretty clear idea of what they want out of a Male too: they have a marked preference for Large, Old, Socially Adept Males. Large males are HEALTHY males with all thier bones in place and functioning digestive tracts. OLD males are healthy, have good intelligence to stay alive, and have good teeth. Socally Adept Males can make friends, get along with her whole family, won't engage in dangerous behaviors like trying to kill her calves or grandmothers. It's a good system that produces robust, intelligent and helpful calves.
This means however, that most female elephants are into Dilfs, or even Gilfs. Which is extremely frustrating when you are a horny teenage boy elephant, so they go a bit nuts with hormones and social isolation and get involved in teenage elephant gangs and do things like murder rhinos out of sexual and social frustration.
BUT! If there are Large, Old, Socially Adept males about, they like being parents too, but are largely pushed out of the role by the matriarichal herds and their strict group politics that exist to prevent unsuitable mating. So They turn thier attention to these violent orphans and like your beloved Batman go "I'm gonna parent the shit outta that."
They mostly do this by herding the Lads around, pointedly demonstrating Behaviors like "How to dig for roots so you don't starve" or "How to knock over a tree" or "Greeting a Matriach Properly so she doesn't sic her descendants on you", and disciplinary behaviors like "Jabbing naughty Lads in the ass with a tusk" and "Hitting you in the face with a branch until you STOP THAT" . This is WILDLY beneficial for the young males under thier tutelage, who are less likely to die of accidents, and start mating earlier because they've had a Suitable Gentleman make introductions for them, like they are fancy men at a regency-era ball being intoduced to the debutantes.
Imagine some Fine and Respectable DILF wandering around adopting teenage delinquents and spraying them in the face with a windex bottle full of vinegar until they learn how to be proper upstanding gentlemen and you're getting close.
Misogyny in Much Ado About Nothing
I’ve read a lot of scholarly articles on Much Ado About Nothing that dismiss Don John as a terrible villain, or criticise Shakespeare for the lack of finesse in constructing him, but honestly, I’ve always felt like that’s the point.
Don John is no sly, silver-tongued Iago – he is crude, brash and malicious. He makes statements like “I am a plain-dealing villain,” goes about attended by idiot henchmen, and takes advice and inspiration for his plots from others around him.
But even so, this weak caricature of a villain nearly brings ruin upon all of Messina.
How?
Because, even before he had made plans to trick Claudio into thinking Hero was unfaithful, the culture of Messina had already done most of the work for him. Don John is not the true villain of this play; he is merely an agent. The real villain of Much Ado About Nothing is the culture of misogyny in Messina.
From the moment Benedick and the soldiers return to Messina, they engage in lewd sexual banter and joke about horns, adultery and cuckoldry. Leonato’s first instinct upon greeting them is to make such a joke, for when Don Pedro politely inquires if Hero is his daughter the old gentleman immediately quips, “Her mother hath many times told me so.” This banter speaks volumes about the underlying misogyny and anxieties about female sexuality that the men share, and it works to create an atmosphere that is ripe for Hero’s shocking rejection.
Thus, all Don John has to do is suggest to Claudio that Hero is unfaithful, offer him a sliver of proof, and the prince and Claudio, made susceptible by popular myths of female inconstancy, find the rest of the proof themselves. Claudio starts to see certain cues as evidence of Hero’s guilt where before they were badges of honour. He declares, “Her blush is guiltiness, not modesty.” And so Hero, by the simple machinations of a cardboard cutout villain, is publicly disgraced, left for dead, and threatened with death by her own father, showcasing how quickly those seemingly harmless jokes about women can escalate to actual violence.
What’s more, this culture of misogyny is what keeps Benedick and Beatrice apart. These two dorks start the play madly in love with each other, but their shared fear of horns and cuckoldry divides them. Beatrice is also repelled by Benedick’s attitude as a self-confessed “tyrant” to her sex, and patriarchal culture has convinced her that no marriage could ever be happy, and no man faithful. Both of them (but especially Benedick) must thus overcome and abandon patriarchal values and the culture of misogyny they are entrenched in. Again, the culture of Messina is the antagonist, not Don John.
Beatrice has the advantage of being resentful and rebellious towards patriarchal culture from the very beginning, and so it is Benedick’s conquering of his sexist attitude that becomes the axis on which the rest of the play turns. He starts off entrenched in a culture of toxic masculinity, but once he acknowledges his love for Beatrice, and after he sees Hero disgraced and left for dead, he becomes sickened by the views he once held. Beatrice flies into a rage at her cousin’s treatment, and in no uncertain terms rails against misogyny and the patriarchy and the culture that nearly killed Hero. She wishes she “were a man for his [Claudio’s] sake,” telling us that, were she a man, she would use her position of privilege and power to protect women rather than abuse them. Her next wish, “that I had any friend would be a man for my sake” is a challenge to Benedick to do what she, as a woman, cannot: defend her cousin with action, not words, and publicly oppose the culture of misogyny in Messina.
This makes her initial request, “Kill Claudio,” less a demand that Benedick murder his friend and more a plea that he break with the toxic culture of male camaraderie. And Benedick agrees. In the midst of a play saturated with jokes about women’s volubility and defined by the rejection of a supposedly unfaithful woman, he then makes the monumental decision to trust Beatrice. He listens to her when she grieves and finally asks her a single question: “Think you, in your soul that Count Claudio hath wronged Hero?” When she replies in the affirmative, her word is all the proof he needs to part with the prince and challenge his best friend.
When he meets with Don Pedro and Claudio, they are keen for him to validate their treatment of Hero with his witticisms, plainly desiring to hear the japes about cuckoldry he had trotted out at the start of the play. But with Hero almost “done to death by slanderous tongues,” Benedick knows tongues are as deadly as swords in Messina, and so leaves his wit in his scabbard. He challenges Claudio and informs the prince he intends to discontinue his company, officially cutting his ties with their little boys’ club.
Speaking to Margaret shortly after, Benedick claims he has “a most manly wit… it will not hurt a woman.” He no longer uses his tongue to scorn or denigrate women. Instead, he uses it to delight them, turning his efforts to poetry and song, and courting Beatrice with the jokes and witticisms he once reserved for his male friends. Shakespeare uses Beatrice to convince Benedick, and by extension the audience, of the shortcomings of masculine culture and shows us that true valour comes from men using their strength to protect women rather than hurt them: for this alone may Benedick call his wit “manly.”
Through their love, Benedick and Beatrice conquer the true villain of the play: misogyny. Don John, who is merely the agent, is instead undone by Dogberry and his idiot watchmen, who discover the plot and bring the truth to light. With all put right, the end of the play provides the denouement where Benedick, having proved his valour and cast off misogyny, is at last free to marry the woman he adores. He makes a speech where he mocks the old views about women and marriage he held, gaily advises the prince the marry, and tells Claudio “love my cousin,” the implication being that the only way Claudio and Hero will live happy is if Claudio follows Benedick’s example, throws off misogyny and loves and trusts his new wife as Benedick does Beatrice.
Much Ado About Nothing, quite simply, mocks the hypocrisy of patriarchal society at every turn. It questions why men should demand chastity in women when they display none themselves, and why women are thought of as sexually insatiable when experience generally showed the opposite. The play’s accompanying song Sigh No More is even about the unfaithfulness of men. The lyrics declare “Men were deceivers ever… to one thing constant never,” and the men of Much Ado tend to live up to this, being generally lusty and faithless while the women are constant and faithful. Shakespeare disproves common myths about female inconstancy by making Hero the blameless victim of men’s obsession with female chastity, a scapegoat onto whom all their repressed fears are projected. And Don John, the active agent of the culture of misogyny, is a bastard, living proof of men’s infidelity and unfaithfulness.
So yes, Don John is a terrible villain – but that’s precisely the point. His weak characterisation feeds neatly into the play’s subversive agenda. For what could this bitter, scheming man have accomplished had the culture of misogyny not predisposed Don Pedro and Claudio to suspect unfaithfulness? What power did he have over Benedick and Beatrice, and how did he serve as their antagonist?
Don John is not the true villain. Misogyny is. Hero’s shocking rejection and near-death proves how dangerous misogyny is, and how easily violent words lead to violent actions. Meanwhile, the witty, sparkling lovers journey together to overcome their internalised prejudices, and provide vivid proof of what happiness a marriage based on trust and true equality can bring.
Much Ado About Nothing is play about a battle of the sexes – and only once the two sides call a truce and join forces to overcome the real villain, misogyny, may the happy ending be achieved.
what are your thoughts on the proposal scene?
this is one of my favorite scenes in the whole play okay hold onto your seats my friends here we go
i think that the proposal being real instead of a joke between two friends makes the play better in both performance and analysis
for performance it’s always more interesting if the scene has real emotion behind it because otherwise there’s nothing driving it and no one wants to watch that ? that’s boring. if you take it seriously it can go two ways
beatrice lets him down gently- which gives us a different slightly more likeable side to beatrice because tbh most of what we see is her being a huge asshole i mean i love her but really
beatrice thinks he’s joking and laughs before trying to let him down gently- incredibly hysterical and still gives us that different side of her
either way it’s a more genuine scene and it’s more memorable. if it’s a joke, it blows right by and blurs into the rest of the show and what’s the point of a scene existing if nobody cares that it happened? also it supplies a reason for why don pedro is moping about at the party at the end of the show
for character analysis it’s better because of what we can learn about don pedro. he’s a prince and people don’t say no to him very much. leonato lets him stay at his house for at least a month. claudio lets him talk to hero for him- this one’s interesting because claudio’s social awkwardness definitely factors in here, but it’s also totally possible that he wasn’t comfortable telling don pedro that he’d rather talk to hero himself because he wants to stay on his good side. when benedick reveals claudio’s crush on hero to him, it’s treated as a joke, but it’s still taken for granted that if he wants them to tell him something, they’re not going to say no
and then beatrice says she doesn’t want to marry him. his reaction can feature into performance too. this is something new! someone said no! about something that most people would be thrilled about (leonato for example was so pumped about don pedro/hero). what will this show us about his character ?? we can only know if we take the scene seriously
if he’s had his heart broken, it also lets us look at his whole matchmaking scheme in a totally different light. instead of a continuation of a joke, it’s now totally possible that it’s partially at least an unconscious desire to get revenge on beatrice for rejecting him. he’s going to try to set her up with this guy that he knows she doesn’t like, and that’s an awkward and uncomfortable situation!
if she falls in love with ben and he doesn’t return it, she feels the same way that don pedro did. if ben falls in love with her and she doesn’t return it, benedick gets the same rejection (we could totally look at this as some sort of jealousy thing about ben/bea before the play, where don pedro is wondering what benedick had that he didn’t) and this can lead us to look more closely at that previous relationship and at the relationship between don pedro and benedick
he’s a generally good person definitely, he has flaws absolutely, but he means well! but he’s human and he almost always gets what he wants and his unconscious motivations for his actions could be rooted in jealousy and anger and isn’t that much more interesting than “oh hahaha you could marry me lmao jk”
different productions, same idiot
much ado about nothing (1993)
wyndham’s theatre (2011)
nothing much to do, “tricking ben” (2017)
shakespeare in the park (2019)

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