September, 1986 (MPL Communications, London): A candid and emotionally tangential Paul talks about Yokoâs recent capricious contrivances and wonders what he could have done that apparently hurt John so manifestly.
PAUL: I mean, I went at Yokoâs request to New York recently. I went to New York. She said she wanted to see me, and I said I was going through New York and stuff, so I stopped off and rang her, and she said she couldnât see me that day. I was in New York, I was like four hundred yards away from her. And I said, âWell, I mean, Iâll pop over any time today â five minutes, ten minutes, whenever you can squeeze me in.â She said, âItâs going to be very difficult.â I said, âWell, okay, I understand. What is the reason, by the way?â She said, âI was up all night with Sean.â I said, âWell, I understand. Iâve got four kids, you know, I understand how terrible it is, but youâre bound to have a minute today, sometime.â I said, âIâm leaving soon. Canât really hang around.â And she asked me to come. Flown in, specially.
SALEWICZ: Wait, youâd gone there specially to see her?
PAUL: Yeah. Yeah, to see her. And she wouldnât even see me. So Iâm kind of a little bit humiliated, but I said, âOkay, nine-thirty tomorrow morning, then, letâs make an appointment.â And she rang up at about nine oâclock and said, âCould you make it tomorrow morning?â
SALEWICZ: But I mean, completely off the record, sheâs still suffering, isnât she? Sheâs still on methadone, isnât she? [inaudible]
PAUL: I donât know. I really donât know. I honestly donât know, mate, I honestly donât know. Um, so thatâs the kind of thing. What Iâm saying is, it wasnât all my fault. Iâm beginning to let myself off a lot of the guilt.
SALEWICZ: Do you have a lot of guilt, did you takeâ?
PAUL: Yeah. Yeah. Well, when the worldâs greatest entertainer calls you Engelbert Humperdinck, you get feelings of⌠something. And yeah, I always felt guilty. Always felt guilty. But looking back on it, I keep thinking, okay, letâs try and analyse this. Now John was hurt; what was he hurt by? What was the single biggest thing that we can find in all our research that hurt John? And the biggest thing that I can find is that I told the world that the Beatles were finished. And I donât think thatâs so hurtful. I know he said it was like publicity for my album, but I donât even think thatâs hurtful. Big deal. Four months afterâ
SALEWICZ: Traditionally, people do do these things a bit [inaudible] anyway, and you might as wellâ
PAUL: But four months after the groupâs broken up, and weâve waited for four months to see if it would get back together again, I then announced â Iâll tell you what was unfortunate, the method of announcing it all, which again thereâs a story behind that. Which was that I said to the guy at the office â which had to be Peter Brown, of book fame. I said, âIâve got an album coming out, McCartney. And I donât really want to see too much press. Can you do me some question-and-answer things?â I answered them all, and had them printed up and put in the press copies of the album. But I think the perception of that, when it arrived on the journalistsâ desks, was, âOh, this is McCartney really [doing a number].â I look at it now and really kind of shudder. At the time it was me trying to answer some questions that were being asked and I decided to not fudge that question. [Note: Where Johnâs hurt is concerned, Paul may or may not be referring specifically to his answering âDo you foresee a time when Lennon-McCartney becomes an active songwriting partnership again?â with a definitive âNo.â]
And I say, looking back on it, I donât think⌠I mean, if thatâs the most hurtful thing I did, I havenât really heard much else beyond that. We didnât accept Yoko totally, but like I say, how many groups do you know, these daysâ? I mean, itâs a joke. Itâs like Spinal Tap! I mean, itâs Spinal Tap. A joke!
SALEWICZ: Of course. Actually as I was saying, I always thought, I always have this assumption when I go interview groups, say you interview everyone, you think everyone knows whatâs going on, but you talk to individual members and you find no one knows whatâs going on. They donât communicate at all. And then you start seeing it on stage, you know, like you suddenly see how separate they are onstage. What, The Clash is the⌠[inaudible]
PAUL: Daltrey and Townsend. Daltrey and Townsend on Live Aid. And Pete started copying Rogerâs movements, because he knew exactly what Roger was going to do, and so in the end Roger started doing Peteâs movements. They pissed each other off something terrible, actually.
But anyway, generally speaking, you know, what Iâm saying is, I loved John. I was his best mate for a long time. Then, the group started to break up. It was very sad. I got the kind of rap as being the guy who broke the group up. But thatâs not actually true.