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And before an endo says “I have trauma too, it just didn’t cause my system”: If it was before the age of 9, and you truly are a system, then that’s what caused it. If it did not happen in young childhood, then you either do dissociate and possibly have dissociative amnesia which makes you think you’re a system, or you’re trying to use your trauma to deflect from the fact that you are not a system. This is an appeal to pity fallacy combined with an ad hominem attack.

(Appeal to Pity: Using emotion, sympathy, or past suffering to bypass logic and force someone to agree with you or drop their point.

Ad Hominem: Attacking the other person’s character, tone, or perceived "meanness" for bringing up an issue, rather than addressing the substance of their argument.

HELP! What is this? Is it a threat to my family members???!!

I'm using the syscourse tag to spread awareness. Yes, I'm still including the stance and DNI tags ( for nontraumagenics ) in case someone still wants to filter them out. Don't commence the next fucking world war in our comments, please. If you guys do, it's getting removed.

To start, we've already blocked Sophie's main, so she shouldn't be able to see this post to begin with.

If she does manage to come across this post, take that as confirmation that she is using separate accounts — not just side-blogs — to conduct her harassment and cyberstalking towards anyone who actively has her blocked.

But anyway, this is going to be a long post, so strap in.

i know you're not very caught up on ramcoa/oea and all that, so don't worry about having to provide a response. i'm perfectly fine with just being heard! trigger warning for mentions of programming, ramcoa/oea, holocaust, slavery, genocide of the indigenous peoples, and dehumanization. nothing is explicit in detail! it's all mentions.

i, as programmed system, actually hate the whole idea of gatekeeping "number names" from non-programmed systems or non-systems in general.

not everyone wants to, or needs to be open and public about their extensive trauma, and trying to contain the usage of "number names" quite literally forces these people to come out with their trauma and paints a big, red target on their back.

not to mention, not everyone who went through ramcoa/oea or any sort of programming was always referred to as a number. it's a dehumanizing experience, but ramcoa/oea survivors and programmed systems are not the only ones who had that form of dehumanization.

holocaust victims and survivors were listed and referred to by number rather than by name.

enslaved people, past and present, were listed and referred to by number rather than by name.

political prisoners in totalitarian regimes, such as soviet gulags or the khmer rouge, were listed and referred to by number rather than by name.

indigenous children who were forced into assimilation boarding schools were referred to by number rather than by name.

we need to stop with this whole idea that "number names" are exclusive to us and us only. it's not, and treating it as such is dangerous.

it also feels like a way to "gatekeep" traumas.

You canʻt just be a singlet when dealing with endos either, they either push you into thinking you have a system or pressure you to "create" a system. They see everyone as either a system, someone who isnʻt a system /yet/, or as an enemy to them

Hi, I’m a member of a system and I’m one of the members who finally turned a new leaf and went from pro endo -> anti endo. I want to share our experience in order to warm endo neutrals who may scroll on any tag, or even pro endo CDDs who scroll here. Because let me tell you something: it is NOT worth it. It’s not worth it at all to stay with these people and support them. When you mix CDDs with people who claim to have non-disordered plurality, you are asking for trouble and will— consciously or not— turn to anti-recovery.

Let’s start from the beginning: late November 2025. This is when we discovered we were a system. Scared of being fake claimed and judged because the anti-endo servers we joined were openly fake claiming someone’s friend because they had a fictive from a show they watched recently (which is incredibly dumb as they have no clue what circumstances could allot that and that is no reason to fake claim anybody), we retreated to pro-endo spaces because they have less of a fake claiming tolerance, and we were just becoming aware of being a system then and wanted acceptance.

It started off okay the first few months. We learned about our system and about specific community roles, roles used in the field, etc and were slowly uncovering things at a normal pace. But by March, everything changed. Endos would show off multiple strictly anti-recovery -genic terms, like ‘Addgenic’ and even ridiculous xenogenic terms like Angelblessgenic or something. They like to think that alters are like… completely separate. Like it’s understandable to treat your alters with respect as if they were separate people, but the community celebrated and encouraged new alters formation and romanticized it as ‘new friends in the headspace!’ and ‘omg more alters added to my list!!! :D’ and this caused our symptoms to worsen significantly.

During school we got pretty depressed, and struggled to even get by this semester while maintaining scholarships. A lot of loopholes had to be done with final grades to do that. We dissociated so much that we couldn’t even concentrate without rapid switching, multiple alters forming, etc from fragmented parts.

Worst of all they also encouraged us, who explicitly stated we thought we might be RAMCOA/OEA survivors on top of being non-organized abuse survivors, TO DIG IN AND RESEARCH THE SUBJECT? They genuinely wanted us to research and figure out what’s happening. And less explicitly the pro-endo culture is that discovering alters is like buried treasure. Nobody talks about anything ugly in pro-endo spaces. When you do, you’re gaslit into thinking systems are always a positive experience ALL THE TIME and you can’t be mad EVER! I am not saying systems have to be miserable 24/7, obviously, but the opposite is just as harmful.

To add this in the middle: the pro-endo community is also overlapping with pro-radqueer and profic spaces too. There was a space I was in that said it’s ok to have certain Radqueer trans IDs (like trans race, and they said this to a black system!!! because ‘they could possibly have a good reason for it’ when there’s never a good reason to be racist and be trans race EVER. The server also advocated for white people having dreadlocks because their black alters in the headspace did and I can’t even stress enough how racist this is. They also tone policed us constantly but only after we explained we’re black… interesting!!!

And because we were stupid and researched, that caused an entire system reset and now we’re a smaller system. I’m incredibly pissed off by pro-endos. They’re anti recovery without even realizing it and some of them even encourage you explicitly research trauma you suspect to have that is infamously known for being incredibly dangerous to the survivors if it’s not done with a therapist.

This is your beware all neu-pro endos with CDDs watching.

Why are you making this a sexual thing?

Some people like hate asks because it gives them narcissistic supply (or anything else you’d want to call that, as I know some pwNPD don’t like the term).

Some people like hate asks because the sheer stupidity of them is wildly entertaining.

Some people just like arguing.

Receiving hate asks gives me NPD supply, and when I’m in a manic episode it gives me a nice outlet for my energy.

Basically: i saw some pro endo confessions page post a confession that admits "we should normalise harassment and hate towards traumgenics for oppresing us” (the blog owner only tagged "disclaimer: we do not condone harassment" as if they didint posted confession and hide this disclaimer under tags in just case semoene conforts them💀)

"anti endos piss me off so bad that i want to run harassment campaigns against them. i think more people should be aggressive and hateful to them. like if you say you're anti endo you wake up to an inbox full of people telling you to die. i recognize these are bad thoughts but like, it feels justified because that's what they do to us. we're powerless to stop the hate since the entire world hates us so why not be violent and evil."

Those people did not used to be a hate groub. They STILL ARE. "Evil" and "violent" as if they didin't ripped off our places, as if they didin't stole medical terms, as if they didin't spread misinformation about our condition and normalised roleplaying it. As if they didin't already caused so many forced syscovery on people that didin't even had CDD. As if they don't promote their disorder as "make everyone plural!" which means "give everyone childhood traumas".

Fuck you, anon. Whoever you are. You will never be valid.

They're getting too comfortable as a hate groub. I've never seen an anti endo confessions blogs post about harassment towards endos. Idk how they think they deserve to treat us like this🤷‍♂️ + there will be also asshole antis, however the most people I've seen have been more chill than most endos I've seen. I used to be neutral—I know what am I talking about.

She doesn't realize that she helped caused this. Do none of them realize? The reason so many of us are deactivating and deleting these blogs is because of repeated harassment from pro-endos who don't care about what their actions do to people. They don't care that a living, breathing person is behind the other screen, they only care that someone is calling them out for the ableism we've been dealing with for decades by now.

This proves to me once again that they truly haven't changed from their roots as a hate group. They're harassing us into silence. They're making us believe we're worthless because we won't put up with their bullshit anymore.

honestly, seeing sophie's post, where she fantasized about brutally abusing a fucking 4-year-old, reminded us of our own traumas and upbringing.

i mean, we're fine, but this really just shows how much she does not care about people with CDDs, much less a childhood trauma survivor in general, no matter how much she claims to.

regardless if it was about a literal 4-year-old or someone's little, it's absolutely abhorrent and disgusting to fantasize about and then attempt your hardest to justify it.

if you come across the post, report it for endorsing harm against children.

i don't understand how her followers can see this and still continue to support her. what a bunch of predatory ass people, man.

"That 4-year-old is a manipulative bitch!" that 4-year-old likes to color and draw and watch cartoons.

she sounds like those mothers who claim that their fucking toddler is a manipulative, abusive monster when they're the actual abusers. somebody keep her away from children. knowing her, she might fucking tackle one with the strength of an NFL player.

THE FACT ENDOS SUPPORT THESE KIND OF PEOPLE JUST FURTHER SPEAKS OF THEIR TRUE INTENTIONS.

THEIR COMMUNITY DOESN'T EVEN CALL EACH OTHER OUT FOR SAYING CRAZY SHIT LIKE THIS.

HONESTLY SHOULDN'T BE TRUSTED IF THEIR BIGGEST VOICE IN THAT COMMUNITY IS SAYING THINGS THAT ARE JUST TWISTED.

SYSTEM LITTLE OR NOT. THIS IS NOT OK.

Plurality does not require a CDD (source: ICD-11)

Therefore, plurality does not require trauma.

Now hopefully you can stop punching the air

I actually just went to the ICD-11 website and searched the dissociative identity disorder criteria for you! Nowhere does it say plurality does not require a CDD, or that plurality does not require trauma. I'll put in the relevant screenshots for you that I believe you are referencing.

These are the first two pages that dicuss DID. I'm assuming you are talking about the section, "boundary with normality (threshold)", yes? Let me write it out for you here.

"The presence of two or more distinct personality states does not always indicate the presence of a mental disorder. In certain circumstances (e.g. as experienced by "mediums" or other culturally accepted spiritual practitioners), the presence of multiple personality states is not experienced as aversive, and is not associated with impairment in functioning. A diagnosis of dissociative identity disorder should not be assigned in these cases."

Because you obviously didn't understand any of this (otherwise you wouldn't cite this as your source), I'll break it down for you. "The presence of two or more distinct personality states does not always indicate the presence of a mental disorder" is NOT the end of the paragraph. It goes on to explain that in cases such as spirituality, the presence of personality states is not disordered. Therefore, DID is not a diagnosable disorder.

Absolutely NOWHERE does it say plurality without trauma is a thing. In mediumship, for example, a medium doesn't believe that there are multiple alters in their brain. They believe that there is a spirit or outside source speaking THROUGH their body.

Essentially, if you ARE using this as a source to say plurality exists without trauma, you are comparing the endogenic experience to mediumship. The issue is, endogenics actually don't compare themselves to that. They claim that they have ALTERS without TRAUMA. As you can see, these are two very different circumstances.

And before anyone comes at me about the section "developmental presentations", the ONLY REASON the quote says "Onset of dissociative identity disorder is most commonly associated with traumatic experiences" and not that trauma is THE ONLY WAY is because the testing would be unethical.

1. You can't purposefully traumatize a group of children repeatedly.

2. Even if you could, not all experiences of trauma causes DID.

3. The threshold of trauma is different for every child, and trying to find a specific trauma causing DID would be entirely outrageous.