anon it’s NOT okay martin was gonna take them both to the oasis concert okay they were supposed to go on a date THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GROW OLD TOGETHER!!!! SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO GO SEE OASIS SHE NEVER GOT TO SEE OASIS SHE NEEVR GOT TO BE WITH MARTIN ITS NOT OKAH ANON. SHE’S DEAD NOTHINGS OKAY ANON
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hey so i had a 𝙏𝙀𝙍𝙍𝙄𝘽𝙇𝙀 thought and i would like to share
college byler and they're at a party and both absolutely smashed drunk and maybe will is a little less drunk than mike and mike is literally slurring his words and he ends up just impulsively kissing will in some hallway and then he starts to cry and he looks like he's about to throw up and then he-
HMO y’all even angstier….. I don’t think Mike would ever want will to change who he is because he sees will as perfect sooo that being said….. what if he says “God, I really wish I was a girl” BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD BE OKAY ARE YALL WITH ME OR WHAT🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
You may have noticed I've been absent from tumblr for a while. I'm in deep shit right now with my mental state and busy with final exams. I'm hoping to be back this summer with some art for byler and ST in general, but honestly? I don't particularly like this fandom or what's happened to the series. It feels like a mental hospital filled with people addicted to copium. I don't mean to offend anyone with this phrase, it's just really depressing to be here. And I absolutely hate what Netflix has turned the entire franchise into and continues to torment it.
“A mental hospital filled with people addicted to copium” I’m literally crying I love you so much Op😭😭 (also I hope your mental health gets better pookie do whats best for you💗💕💗💕)
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You can leave snape out of the conversation since your understanding of a character wrt classism and poverty seems to be in gutters anyway. Go back to playing dress dolls with marauders
Yeah, poverty really does force people to bully children and become a nazi doesn't it?
You will never see me defending the marauders for bullying snape, there is no excuse for what they did. HOWEVER, it is just the fact that they changed. They grew up, they matured, and they actively worked against the dark lord, meanwhile snape became his right hand man.
Snape was okay if an infant and his innocent father died, also if voldemort had gone after neville's family he literally wouldn't have cared!!! He called his "best friend" a racist slur in front of the whole school. He refused to give up a teenage grudge even if people lost their lives over it. (In PoA he was hell bent on getting sirius caught and giving him to the dementors, knowing what they do)
"but he hated sirius!" He's a fucking 30 year old man.
Meanwhile james, at 15, saved snape's life. He disliked snape too, didn't he?
And that's just what he did to the marauders, there is a LONG list of instances where he bullied his students. You hate an eleven year old because his father married your crush??? So you try to make his already hard life even harder? You bully neville to the extent that you become his greatest fear? Bullying hermione for what, being enthusiastic in class? Her appearance??? Like this is a man who did not grow up.
So yeah, i would rather "play dress dolls with the marauders" than defend an immature racist bully.
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Can someone please tell me why my sleep paralysis demon is a man with deer antlers?
Anyway, I’ve decided this is no longer my burden alone. I hope he haunts you too.
SONG:
PINTEREST DRAWING REFERENCE AND INSPIRATION:
I think it might actually be a sign of serious mental instability that I saw this, audibly screeched, and then immediately had to draw this beautiful creature. 👁️🫦👁️
James was the struttiest strut to ever strut, strutting the types of struts other struts could only dream of strutting 🦌
Happy birthday to my husband James potter💗💕💗💕💗💕 I hope to see you soon, these songs always make me think of you 💞💞(if anyone can find the artists of these fanarts please lmk so I can credit them I cannot find them for the life of me🙏🙏)
no, mother... you should have read my supposed "school field trip" permission slip closer.... i foresaw your betrayal a mile away.... im afraid, mother, it is you who has been sold to one direction
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There is a MOTH the size of MY dick (Metaphorical) loose in my ROOM and I need one of you tumblr bug devoted FREAKS (Lovingly) to pretty please come get it for me (Rhetorical)… (kind of)
Ever wondered why Will suddenly had hope for a relationship with Mike during Volume 1, then gave up again?
Vecna told their story in reverse.
MIKE'S CAMAZOTZ (and the mandela effect)
Mike is stuck in his own version of Camazotz: the Rightside Up.
In the 8 months after Season 4, the gang prepared for a big battle with Vecna. Mike was taken during that battle, on the anniversary of Will's disappearance: November 6th, 1986.
Every important plot point from Ep 1-8 was an edited version of Mike’s memories from that timeframe. Vecna just changed the order, characters or context to suit his own narrative and keep Mike trapped in the Rightside Up, believing he'd won. Because of this, Mike is kind of experiencing the Mandela Effect – remembering things differently than how they really happened.
My evidence for this theory is here!
ORDER OF EVENTS: Part 1 (Mike the storyteller), Part 3 (12 Episodes), Part 4 (MWTFDYD), Part 9 (Wheeler attack -> Mike's kidnapping), Part 11 (Mr Whatsit = Will)
SCENE ANALYSIS: Part 2 (Will/Robin), Part 5 (Rainbows), Part 6 (The roof talk), Part 7 ("Where's Dustin right now?"), Part 8 (El is missing), Part 10 (Byler's missed date), Part 12 (Byler saw Rovickie kiss), Part 13 (Will's painting)
We will flash back to what really happened in Episode 9, when Mike realises he's stuck in a fake world. The resulting plot will be a reverse of the current episodes; a reordered, recontextualised version of the same story – where Mike's real memories are crucial to his escape from the Rightside Up.
THE REAL STORY
Vecna told the truth in reverse. Upside-down.
After Season 4, this is what really happened: Will started with no hope -> befriended Robin -> Will came out, repairing his friendship with Mike -> Mike got closer with him -> and they both GAINED hope for a relationship.
But after that came November 6th, 1986: the battle with "world-altering implications". Vecna trapped Mike in a fake world and altered his memories of what brought him there, turning them into a tragic story of lost hope.
Remember, he doesn't lie. He tells the truth differently. Edits parts out, exaggerates others, and scrambles it to fit his vision.
In Vecna’s retelling, this is what happened: Will started with high hopes -> befriended Robin -> Mike suddenly got less close with him -> Will came out, not changing his friendship with Mike -> and they both LOST hope.
That's what we saw in Episodes 1-8. Now, I dunno about you, but to me, Mike and Will's story makes a LOT more sense in reverse.
BUT WHY? To remove Mike's hope for escape, of course! :)
Vecna needed Mike to believe that everyone had won, to BELIEVE that he got the happiest ending he could, and most importantly: to believe that ending up with Will would never be an option for him. Mike doesn't know Will loves him. Will wants to be "friends."
Max escaped with help from memories of Lucas and El. Will fought his possession with help from memories of Mike, Joyce and Jon. El saved Max with their shared memories, reversing her death. Love and memories are the key. If Mike was to remember his love for Will, he'd be able to escape – but that would ruin Vecna's plans for a "better world".
...Which is exactly why conformitygate and MWTFDYDgate are intrinsically linked. The only way Mike can escape Vecna's curse is to REMEMBER what really happened in the months before the battle.
So, what did happen?
MWTFDYD: An Overview
Well, we've already seen parts of it, scattered throughout Episodes 1-8. Just with changes to the order, characters or context.
MARCH-MAY
Season 4 ending. March 29th, 1986.
Remember how El wasn’t talking to Mike at all at the end of Season 4? And how for most of Season 5, they weren't together? Mike and El break up. {Vecna later uses this memory to tell the story of Jonathan and Nancy's breakup.}
Eleven: "I hate [Eggos]"; "You are always exactly six minutes late." "You wanted honesty." Friends don't lie.
Mike: "That spring break, when you were in Lenora..." "[physics mention]"; "I just felt like I was doing something wrong. Like I was going against the natural order of things."
Mike: "It made me feel safe, but also... I dunno." Eleven: "It was suffocating." Mike: "Yeah."
Will + Robin start hanging out. {This probably happened the same way – after he saw Rovickie kiss.}
The Byers are staying with the Wheelers. Mike and Will share the basement, which explains why they forgot to set an alarm in The Crawl. Mike is ALWAYS late!!! Every season except 5!!!
Will: "It's always [Mike's] fault!"
JUNE-JULY
Robin and Will have their coming-out talk from Shock Jock! They're quickly becoming friends, supporting each other. They both agree to come out to someone new. Will decides to start small, and Robin wants to go big.
Will: "You wouldn't happen to have any more of that truth serum left, would you?"
Will quietly comes out to Mike, Jon and Joyce – his own choice. This explains why the Duffers said they originally wrote the scene this way, but changed it. Right after Will's coming-out, in a private moment, Mike gives his apology from the tower in The Rightside Up.
Mike: "Hey, um… I’m sorry. I mean, not sorry about what you said. That came out wrong. I mean, not ‘came out’ wrong! Jesus Christ!" LMFAOOOO
Because of that coming-out heart-to-heart, Mike and Will become much closer again.
Robin comes out to everyone, so she can “double her audience”. That's why there was so much rambling in that scene, and why Tammy was mentioned! Robin says she likes girls, talks about her "Tammy", and maybe even mentions finding her "Vickie".
Mike has an epiphany. Perhaps he had his Vickie all along.
AUGUST-OCTOBER
Will talks to Robin. He asks how she knew that Vickie wanted to date – their talk from the hospital. He immediately starts flashing back to all their little snowballs... "a brush of the knee, a bump of the elbow, a shared look."
Mike talks to Robin. Maya Hawke said her character would "mentor" TWO others this season. What if Mike's the second? He's amazed after her coming-out, and asks her for a bit of advice. Probably also about Vickie, haha.
Mike gets Jonathan's help to make something special: a mixtape for Will. Jonathan makes it, and gives it to Mike. {Later, Vecna uses this memory to create the scene where Murray gives Jonathan the mixtape for Nancy.} Also – Charlie Heaton said Jonathan would help his brother "get something he wants" in Season 5. This concludes Jonathan's arc of noticing what's going on with Will and Mike, but never intervening.
In the Wheelers' basement, Mike gives Will the mixtape. This is the avalanche; the thing that made it obvious.
Mike: "One last confession. A big one." He pulls out the mixtape. "I figure I've screwed up enough with you. It'd be nice to get something right for once in the end. Here." {Later, Vecna uses this scene for Jonathan and Nancy's breakup, where he takes the ring out and throws it away, in a confusing un-proposal}
This could explain the cutgate claims that Mike and Will were apparently supposed to have a basement scene together, and that music was supposed to play a fundamental role in scenes – e.g. "Just Like Heaven" by the Cure.
Possibly birthdaygate too; a late present?
I'm just speculating here, but... I think they'll use this to recontextualise the Purple Rain scene. Purple Rain plays from the mixtape as Will says Eleven's words from Episode 8. Quiet and intimate, not life-or-death.
Will: You understand me better than anyone. You always have. From the day we met, you've seen me. The real me. {Later, Vecna uses these words to evoke Mike's guilt – about Eleven's fake death, and his unreciprocated romantic feelings. This is to keep him trapped in the Rightside Up, AHHHH–}
After this scene, Mike and Will are either together, or plan to be together. This does multiple things narratively. It gives Vecna something he can use to manipulate them, it will also be one of the memories that helps Mike escape the illusion, and if Mike and Will were together throughout Episodes 1-8 but just didn't remember, those episodes are totally recontextualised!!!
ALSO!!!! This explains why the Duffers said that Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind was a big inspiration for Season 5. Two lovers' memories of each other are erased, but they find each other in the end, with the help of a CASSETTE TAPE!!!!!!!!
Apologies for the avalanche of exclamation marks.
NOVEMBER 3RD, 1986 (Edited: 24/02/26)
As @mixu suggested, Mike and Will may have planned to go on a date on November 3rd. This is supported by:
The video clip of Mike saying "You know I had dinner plans, right?" Dustin replying, "With who?" and Mike avoiding the answer. [Unless Mike and El have broken up, it should be obvious who...]
Rovickie having a date planned for November 3rd, but Robin having to cancel for reasons Vickie "just can't understand" – and Robin saying that she doesn't "want to be the reason Wheeler's plan fails".
November 3rd is the day of THE WHEELER ATTACK. And like Nancy's vision, Karen was fatally wounded, Holly was kidnapped, and Mike? He was severely injured by the Demogorgon, and rushed to hospital. He had to miss his dinner plans with Will.
So... just like Jopper, Boyce, Lumax and Rovickie's date plans, Byler missed theirs because of Upside Down shit too.
Not just that, but remember how Robin promises Vickie that they can go on ANOTHER date, only for them miss that one too?
Well...
Henry: Tomorrow, it begins.
NOVEMBER 6TH, 1986 (Edited 24/02/26)
Will: "...Today is the day. The day Vecna's gonna act. I thought I had him, but the truth... the truth is I never stood a chance." Will isn't ready to fight Vecna, but he won't have a choice.
Meanwhile, Mike is still in hospital, recovering from his injuries. This is when Vecna sends the Demos to the hospital – and soon after, Vecna himself arrives to take Mike.
Now able to see through Vecna's eyes, Will attempts to save Mike. But like in Shock Jock, Will fails. {Vecna later uses this scene to give Will a winning moment where he's rescued, to sell the narrative that they were able to beat him easily later on}
Will: "Mike, if you can hear me, you need to run! RUN!"
Will is knocked into a trance [Shock Jock] and Mike – with his broken leg from the Demo attack – is unable to run. Vecna knocks Mike out and takes him to the Upside Down, swapping him with Holly.
This explains why both Mike and Holly have the same head wound, and why Mike heard the clock chime and had multiple reaction shots to seeing Vecna – but nothing came out of it.
Mike is now trapped in the Rightside Up. And like the Stranger Things recap video, he's now being forced to miss his dinner plans again... all so he can rewatch edited clips of the show... i.e. his own memories.
Meanwhile, Will is stuck in a trance, building Mike's illusion in his sleep.
...
It's not over, though! After that are Mike's altered memories, everything from Episode 1-8.
"Tomorrow", on November 6th, "it begins..." Season 5, that is.
And after that... the final episodes!
(And hopefully, a somewhat happy ending :D)
Robin: It's a mandala! [...] Is it a mandala? Mandahla? Or a man-dala? Or a mendela? Or...
Twin, what. The. Actual. Fuck. WHATTHEFUCKK there’s literally no way this isn’t true it fits too perfectly!! Op this theory is amazing I feel bad calling it a theory I feel like you just spoiled tf out of this😭😭 holy freaking moly