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âevery time i walked the tightrope, my dad stood there holding the netâ
When life gives you tangerines (2025)
When Life Gives You Tangerines hits so hard like what do you mean it explores what it means to be a daughter and a mother and the complex dynamic of familial relationships including the guilt and the pain and the grief and the love and how the story of three different generations are all tied together and the selflessness of parents and what it feels like to be pillar of the family, the eldest daughter, but also being able to see the other side of things what it feels like to be the younger sibling always having to live up to the comparisons! and how your parents' love never really goes away even as you age what do you mean it's also wonderfully paced with the non-linear storytelling! what do you mean it beautifully portrays the imperfect relationships between broken people it's staggering how they fit all of this into one series that is so well written and performed HOW
The fierceness of the women in this drama is a sight to behold. The righteousness, grit, and love for one another is so so beautiful.

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every time iâm thinking abt the gay subtext between robin and ramy and going abt it in the usual fandom way of getting invested and excited abt it i immediately get hit by like this super grim clarity that bc of the colonialist oppression of their race/ethnicity they couldnât even touch on the societal stigma of their feelings. there wasnât the usual âwe canât be together bc the world condemns itâ narrative like in typical queer historical tropes bc they donât even have the liberty to consider anything other than dealing with racism
i finished babel today (like a half hour ago actually, its 1am so excuse my potential incoherence) and this post articulates my thoughts on robin and ramy really well. but further it makes me think about how, for white queers like myself, engaging with this book in the conventional fandom way is not just an affront to its themes but also a disservice to yourself as it robs you of the necessary discomfort this book deliberately sets upon you.
like, i spotted the robin/ramyâs subtext immediately. i hadnât expected it and was delighted. but, aside from a few moments (robinâs âabsurd impulseâ to touch ramyâs cheek while he speaks; the âdonât you know?â line at the ball) the subtext remains just that: subtext. they COULDâif you REALLY wanted to do soâbe read as Genuinely Platonic Best Friends. itâs a neglectful reading, but, as the op points out, these two boys genuinely never get CLOSE to breaching the subject of their feelings because there are such bigger fish to fry. robin internally acknowledges it a single time (when letty says âyou and himâ and robin thought she meant him & ramy when she had actually meant him & professor lovell) and never again. such a huge part of lettyâs humiliation is that ramy chose robin over her and would do so again at any given chanceâbut itâs not at all in a queer way. itâs because of their closeness as friends and fellow men of color in their institution, which will always supersede any romantic feelings. queerness simply does not have any significant part in this whole equation.
at a certain part of the book, i was on the edge of my seat whenever ramy and robin got a moment alone because i was just thinking âthis is it!!! this is the moment!!!â and it really only dawned on me after reading opâs post above that, unconsciously, i was distracting myself from the discomfort. in the same way white queers lean into their queerness when theyâre confronted with, say, their own racist remarks on the internet, i too was leaning into my queerness when i was confronted with my own complacency as a white person. itâs not something iâm prideful to admit but i think itâs beneficial to recognize and admit anyway. itâs certainly better than failing to realize it and neglecting the bookâs themes further. sitting with discomfort and some guilt is necessary and important; it was a need to escape guilt and preserve the comfortable status quo that motivated letty to betray her peers. so thank you op for the small epiphany you gave me!
see cuz i def had a lot to say abt orv and i was planning to leave it all for after i finish reading it. now iâve finished it but i literally donât even know where to start
that one line about ramy's bangla being rudimentary made me absolutely sob (i'm bengali) and i wanna talk about why
there's so much to it both contextually with ramy's character as well as historically. contextually because ramy is fluent in 6 languages, an insane number of languages for one person but none of which are his mother tongue. he's described as a performer, one who knows he can't blend in so instead he stands out as a means to escape as much of the racism as he can. he gets lost in it that he almost forgets who he is; this is reflected in his language ability too â he gets so lost in his linguistic academics he just barely remembers the native language of his home place that he adores.
and honestly, you can't even really blame ramy for it at all when it was induced. it's the british who saw urdu, arabic and persian as more valuable than bangla, it's the british that make ramy put on this act so he can literally stay alive. and when you know the historical relevancies between urdu and bangla, it hurts so much that ramy was forced to forget bangla
very brief history context: after the partition, where british india was split into india, pakistan and east pakistan (now bangladesh) bangla was seen as inferior to urdu due to its hindu connections. bengalis experienced so much shit because of this (and bengali muslims are still dealing with the internalised cultural racism today honestly). pakistanis tried to make the official language urdu, even though literally everyone in east pakistan were bengali and spoke bangla, so bengalis fought back against it. we still celebrate that day today (feb 21)
so to have ramy be in this position in the 1830s where urdu was seen as superior to bangla, especially when ramy is a bengali muslim, is just extremely accurate?? and maybe it's bc we don't have much western literature where we talk about this but it's just so nice to have it acknowledged
the bangla language movement didn't happen until around the 1950s, over a century after babel's timeline, but the seeds are always there. while i do think it comes with both this islamic superiority tendency a lot of asians have (arabs i'm looking at you) and britian's imperialistic racism, i just love how it all makes sense

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That one moment is very dear to my heart.
these hurt the most. I don't think I'll recover.
I just finished Babel by R.F. Kuang and I canât stop thinking about Professor Craft. How sheâs shown as the object of Lettyâs total admiration for being the only female professor at Babel until she shuts down Lettyâs questions about overcoming misogyny, how her refusal to acknowledge the institutionâs misogyny frames her as complacent. However, she later proves herself to be a greater ally to the cause than Letty even would be. She is the first to believe Robin and Victoire about the war, she is the only white scholar to stay and join the revolution, she sacrifices herself to help Robin destroy the tower. Meanwhile, Letty betrays her friends and refuses to consider any oppression that isnât her own. And I wish so badly that Letty couldâve seen Professor Craft when she told Robin and Victoire to surrender, that she saw that the woman she was desperate to emulate on the opposite side of the revolution and maybe then she would finally see that she was wrong
I can't get letty's chapter out of my head. I can't forget all her struggles as a girl and woman in a misogynistic society. How she is discriminated against in a way that robin and ramy would never understand. Because despite coming from races white people find inferior, at the end of the day, they are still men, and are therefore afforded the level of respect and recognition they would never be willing to give letty. And I understand and empathize and resonate with all of these.
But my first thought after reading letty's chapter is she did not mention victoire, not even once. After everything she learned, after everything victoire told her, she still failed to realize that everything she experienced, victoire also didâeven worse. Victoire, the friend that she spent the most time with, was not only discriminated against because she's a woman, she was also discriminated against because she's not white. After everything, letty only sees the advantages robin and ramy had for being men, refusing to see all the ways society was shunning victoire. this isn't the oppression olympics ofc, but how can she not see victoire's pain? how can she only see robin's and ramy's privelege. how can she fail to acknowledge victoire's struggles and pain until the very end. how can letty, despite being victoire's friend, refuse to see her pain just because she refuses to acknowledge her own privelege.
she is so convinced that her struggles are unique that she can't wrap her head around the fact other people, people she considered friends, have suffered as much, or even more. she can't see that her struggles were caused by a system that is so interwoven with the systems hermes were fighting against that they might as well be the same thingâbecause frankly, they are. she only sees her own pain and how she's come so far to overcome everything. she thinks she's alone in her battle that she just can't see how so many others have been fighting similar battles against the same opponents. she can't see how hermes is not sabotaging her fight for freedom and respect, but are fighting the enemy letty does not even realize she also has to fight to truly and meaningfully gain the respect and freedom she wants.
after everything, afterall, iâm most astonished at the audacity of letty calling robin âbirdie.â
thatâs ramyâs word, not hers. but she uses it knowingly. she knows the power of words, of language, of translation, and yet sheâs choosing to steal a word thatâs not hers, a word that has meaning and history and love, a word that not even victoire dared use bc she knew it wasnât hers, that it belonged to ramy and robin alone, all for her own advantage.
she used it time and time again without permission. she used it while ignoring all protests because she sees language as a tool to use, a weapon to wield. all to get ahead. lettyâs another cog in the apparatus of white colonialism, exploiting that which doesnât belong to her.

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letty couldn't handle the fact a brown man rejected her, but also couldn't handle knowing that ramy would pick robin over and over again, that he would rather have a (chinese) MAN over a (white) woman
she tried to connect with him the ways robin could, by talking abt his foreign land, by "appreciating" him ("but your skin is lovelyâ"), mimicking his banter with robin (constantly going against every mundane opinion he had in an effort to tease him) but she could never see how she was constantly hurting him by never listening to him, by putting down his feelings of britain's settlement in india, by her utter ignorance to the group's collective experiences
but no, it's ramy's fault, obviously. he wouldn't even look at her and she couldn't stand it
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