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When I first saw this post go around, I was traveling, but I had something I wanted to say and I could never find it again.

Okay, so, this post isn’t wrong, but what the original gifset doesn’t take into account (though some of the commentary touches on it) is how incredibly situational swearing was in the 1940s.

So, yes, men swore a lot – around other guys, in certain contexts. But they were very heavily conditioned not to swear around women and kids.

I think this might be one of the big reasons why a lot of people my age and younger got the idea that people didn’t swear during the 1940s. Most of us fell into the “kid” or “female” categories, or both, and guys our grandparents’ age would never, ever say “fuck” around us. And those words weren’t usually used in media of the era for similar reasons, so we got the idea that people that age were very prim and polite, when it’s more that they were prim and polite around us.

I remember as a young woman walking in on groups of old blue-collar guys talking among themselves, with profanity flying freely, and then noticing me in the room and immediately clamming up and apologizing to me for swearing around me.

There’s a bit in the Douglas Bader biography I was reading a month or so ago that demonstrates this in a WWII context. According to the book, the squadron pilots swore freely in their radio chatter to each other in the field, to the amusement of the WAAFs (female service personnel) who were listening to the radio in an ops room as they moved counters around on maps (much like we see Peggy doing in TFA) and the embarrassment of their commander:

After awhile, to the regret of the Beauty Chorus [the WAAFs], Woodhall disconnected the loud-speaker in the Ops Room, feeling that some of the battle comments were too ripe even for the most sophisticated WAAFs. (“They laugh, you know,” he said, “but dammit I get so embarrassed.”)

… so, right, even in the middle of a war, pilots saying “fuck” over the radio was something the female staff had to be insulated from.

Say what you will about the baby boomers, but they largely demolished that wall between “swearing around men” and “swearing around women”. Most guys my dad’s age don’t do it anymore, at least not to that much of an extreme. By the time you get to my generation (I’m 40), people might swear or they might not, and they usually don’t swear around young kids, but swearing around men but not around women is just not a thing anyone does anymore. At least I don’t know anyone who does it specifically and consistently who’s not elderly.

It’s not really an individual-sexism thing, more of a socialization thing – sexist on a societal level, sure, but I don’t think Steve would balk at swearing around women, kids, or in a refined or professional social setting because he’s a sexist or a prude. It’s just something you didn’t do as a polite person. Like blowing your nose on the tablecloth in a fancy restaurant. I think he could and probably would unlearn that, but it’d take time.

So, to me, about half the examples up there work just fine (“now why the fuck would I do that” to Bucky – absolutely! Or “Is everything a fucking joke to you?” to Tony) and several jar horribly, because they’re not the right context (like the “there’s only one God ma'am” bit – noooo, you aren’t going to get “fuck” and “ma'am” in the same sentence! not for a Steve fresh from the 1940s! – or “we have our fucking orders” … in a polite, professional context like that, no). Steve would never. Or, I should say, someone from Steve’s culture – who tries in general to be a polite and respectful person, as Steve does – would never. Maybe after he’s had a few years to acclimatize to the more relaxed social climate surrounding swearing in the 21st century, but I think it’d take him awhile; he would sort of instinctively jerk himself back from doing it in all but the most relaxed sort of “palling around with your teammates” environment.

(Headcanon-wise, I could see Steve very quickly incorporating someone like Natasha into his mental schemata as “one of the guys” – not consciously, but on a subconscious level: like, he doesn’t hold back from swearing around her pretty quickly – but taking a LOT longer with someone like Wanda or Pepper.)

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Remember Inigo Montoya

Polite Greeting: You will be assimilated.

Relevant personal link: Your biological and technological characteristics will be added to our own.

1. Polite Greeting:

2. Name: I’m Luke Skywalker

3. Personal Relevant Link:

4. Manage Expectations: I’m here to rescue you.

Polite Greeting: "Greetings, Exalted One."

Name + Relevant Personal Link: "I am Luke Skywalker, Jedi knight and friend to captain Solo."

No but seriously a Sha're Lives AU would be so interesting

And like. She's such a Dead Wife, you know? Even when she's alive. Part of why the Dead Wife trope is so prevalent is that it's a way for your characters to be romantically available (for shipping or girl-of-the-week shenanigans) without the stigma of being single. But what would the show look like if they had to actually play Daniel as married? And like, Daniel/Vala was always there for Belligerent Sexual Tension - they were never supposed to be a functional couple. How would that play with Daniel's tendency to die all the time? Would he have grabbed a nuclear bomb with his bare hands if Sha're had still been alive?

And yeah as @pinkninjapj brings up, an opportunity to actually explore her trauma, you know? Being a passive party to what was ultimately a very loving relationship - Apophis and Amonet were deeply, incongruously, in love with each other. She had a child??? That was her child that she trusted her husband to deliver, but it was also Amonet's child forced upon her (which Amonet was willing to sacrifice herself for, to ensure a healthy birth) - like, the whole harsesis plot is so incredibly messed up but like that child was LOVED by all *counts on fingers* five of its parents. Like WTF. She was with Apophis longer than she was with Daniel. Coming back from that is going to be weird.

And okay. Does she come to Earth afterwards? That's an adjustment. Does she go back to Abydos? Does Daniel go to Abydos and commute to work, as it were? Actually that would be super funny if when Michael Shanks quit instead of ascending to a higher plane of existence he just moved back to Abydos. Like, I adore Daniel's ascended arc because being a nuisance all the way up the ladder is what he's FOR, but "well I joined SG-1 to rescue my wife and then I did so uhhh peace out guys" is just very very funny. (And then if you still have Anubis destroy Abydos at the end of season 6 - which I hated by the way - they can escape back to Earth). Actually if they dealt with Michael Shanks being gone by having like 300% more Erick Avari I would not complain even a little bit. Daniel's busy you get Kasouf.

If Sha're did just replace Vala in the last seasons would that mean she'd have to deal with a second unwanted supernatural pregnancy?? That would really seem like a bit much.

..........although since that was like a bodyswap thing with those stones there is literally no reason Daniel couldn't have the baby instead. Then that could be a bonding experience for them! Just what every couple needs

ANYWAY I understand structurally why it happened but yeah. Killing Sha're was a huge cop out and if anyone has written a good Sha're Lives AU I'd love to see it.

ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT MICKEY AND MINNIE ARE THE FIRST BOOK ACCURATE JONMINA IN AN ADAPTATION

ALSO WHY IS THE NEW COPY $250???????

This is a Blood of My Blood reading of Dracula, based on the Bad Ending AU created by @ibrithir-was-here @animate-mush @bluecatwriter @see-arcane @thegoatsongs and others.

First Read Along post with context

The Read Along is now on Archive of our Own! With meta and comments included, so collaboration is welcome! You can also see them using this tag on my blog.

Blood of My Blood full AU in order

The funeral was arranged for the next succeeding day, so that Lucy and her mother might be buried together.

Now this was something that Quincey knew of death. The dead are buried, and the soil is important. He even knew that coffins were involved, as dear old Mr Swales had a procession bringing his coffin to the graveyard.

A nice comfortable coffin, buried together with her mother. Quincey could not think of a kinder way to rest.

I noticed that Van Helsing never kept far away. This was possible from the disordered state of things in the household. There were no relatives at hand; and as Arthur had to be back the next day to attend at his father's funeral, we were unable to notify any one who should have been bidden.

The only dead bodies Quincey had known were animals and birds. He understood why Van Helsing stayed near to the body. It felt rude to leave the body alone. Quincey never liked when he had to abandon a dead body where it lay.

He’s really thinking of her as just co-sleeping with her mother, like him when he was little, isn’t he? Well, there are worse ways to conceptualize it. Although sharing a bed with Mina might be nicer than sharing a bed with Mrs Westenra.

Her thoughts had gone into Father's head. Van Helsing didn't know that. But the paper Father had wanted torn into pieces was saved. It may have been too little, and too late, to stop Lucy's thoughts being plundered, but Van Helsing's actions had preserved some of her mind at least.

This is the kind of victory against Dracula that never happened when Quincey was a child…

It would be good for Doctor Seward to seek comfort through the night from his old Master at a time like this.

He is certainly making some inferences about Jack’s relationship with Van Helsing!

Father was a vain man, always preening himself and asking for Quincey's carefully worded description of him.

Dracula is such a loser…

Was this some by-product of Father killing Lucy, that it restored something that was so important to him?

I mean. Technically, yes!

Could this be the betrayal of which Father had spoken?

Again: Technically, yes!

But then, Arthur is Lord now, with all the Powers that come with it.

I’m looking forward to Quincey’s reaction to Arthur not wanting to be called Lord.

There are reasons to hide things from Lords and Masters.

He’s making so much progress 🥰

The guarding of knowledge, and the assurance of wisdom in the face of secrecy. Even the pet names. It is all so familiar to Quincey, the way Van Helsing talked. Just like Father. Quincey shifts in his seat and bites his bottom lip. Should he trust the words of the Professor? He used to trust Father every time he reassured Quincey with words just as sweet, "Am I not thy loving Father? Everything I do is for good cause, my pet, even this."

Van Helsing-Dracula parallels!!!

I’m sure Quincey is feeling great about Van Helsing calling people “friend.” /sarcasm

For by her predeceasing her daughter the latter would have come into possession of the property, and, even had she only survived her mother by five minutes, her property would, in case there were no will—and a will was a practical impossibility in such a case—have been treated at her decease as under intestacy.

Hmm, Quincey skipped right over this. It would have told him his papa was dead.

Truly he had lost neither of his fathers, both were living, just distant. But his devoted attachment to the one he had called Father was shaken to the foundation, and he just sorely missed his Papa. He wanted someone here with the hand on his shoulder or his head, and they would explain everything clearly but they would keep no secrets.

It’s so much worse than he knows… None of his parents are living and none of them will ever explain everything clearly without secrets.

Those left behind grieve

This one got me 😭

(I love that you repeat the whole thing each time, by the way — it’s both poignant and convenient.)

It would have been a perfect triad to have Arthur and Jack as they are today, older and changed by time of course, but living together in this house with their wife, Lucy.

The Ghost of Quincey Morris: What am I, chopped liver?

The loss is so great that Arthur wishes he could give up living. How does a man even arrive at that thought.

ask your papa?

Professor Van Helsing is collecting young men, putting himself so close to them, but always above.

The parallels!!!

And yet, Van Helsing protected Lucy. Protected her words and, though he was incapable of accessing the mental world, tried to protect her mind and soul by preserving the paper Father tried to destroy.

I love that this chapter ends with Quincey striking hard at what actually separates Van Helsing from Dracula, uncomfortable similarities aside: He’s keeping Lucy part of the narrative, even though it would be so easy to cut her out of it, whereas Dracula will do anything to let his voice override yours. This is a story about document preservation and by George [or other, more relevant saint] Van Helsing will protect that memoranda

You belong to the city.

Bunch of things I did inspired by this specific, banger song that I'd implement into this show that does not exist.

The Harvey panel is a redraw of this wonderful drawing by Nate Bellegarde.

"The fun thing for us for that end sequence was his costume -- what he would have left over from the ship. I don't really think you see it in the film but the trousers that he's wearing, they're cut from one of the flight suits. And we've done a belt buckle that's made of xenonite that Rocky would've made for him. And all of the sewing on it is a little bit - it's nowhere near as good as Jenny would normally do, so we had to purposely ask Jenny to do bad sewing at the top of his trousers, so it'd look like he would've done it.

And then our brilliant breakdown department, run by Tim Shanahan, they break everything down to look like it's 10, 20 years old. So his cardigan and the t-shirt's all faded. And even on the laces -- the laces in his chuck taylors -- because your laces always break after a certain period of time, so we found stuff that was on the ship, like elastics and stuff. There's a nice big close-up actually in the film, so you can see that they're not normal laces, they're like stuff that he would've got from the ship that he's made as make-shift laces."

“one man cannot bring in the anchor. ten men cannot bring in the anchor. but together we can.”

making this because it’s useful for my specific brand of dramaturgy and i generally have a good deal of feelings about sea shanties. these are the result of far too much time searching around for shanties that are both authentic and have a tune that can be found on the internet. organized by theme.

these can all be done a capella, obviously, but if you want accompaniment, getting your hands on a concertina would be ideal.

General Shanties

Roll the Old Chariot Along (David Coffin)

Haul Away, Joe (The Eskies)

Rant and Roar (Howling Gael)

Haul Away the Bowline (The Exmouth Shantymen)

Departing

Away Rio (David Coffin)

Leave Her, Johnny (Coda)

The Rosabella (skip to 3:15) (Wareham Whalers)

Off to Sea Once More (The Black Irish Band)

Clear Away in the Morning (Great Bay Sailor) 

South Australia (Johnny Collins)

Randy Dandy Oh (Johnny Collins)

Girls

With You, Fair Maid (skip to 14:30) (Before the Mast)

Spanish Ladies (unknown artist) (psa this one is in moby-dick!!)

Bully in the Alley (skip to 24:10) (Before the Mast)

London Julie (Three Sheets to the Wind)

Excursion Round the Bay (The Fables)

The Maid of Amsterdam (The Roaring Trowmen)

Storms

Round Cape Horn (Cyril Tawney)

Fish in the Sea (youtube user threelegsomen)

To Old Maui (skip to 9:28) (Before the Mast)

Drinking

The Boatman’s Cure  (John Roberts)

Drunken Sailor (Irish Rovers)

Fifteen Men (unknown artist)

Newer/Environmentally Conscious

No More Fish, No More Fisherman (David Coffin)

A Superman short story by Scott Kurtz and Karl Kerschl (September 2, 2021)