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What do rationalists do for fun?
I should say that the universe is just there, and that is all.
Bertrand Russell (via philosophybits)
This is my new favorite philosophy
nothing frustrates me more in a story than when a character could say ONE SENTENCE and clear up all the trouble. ONE SENTENCE. (‘my dad just died’ / ‘that wasn’t me you saw’ / ‘we’re related’ / ‘i had to be there for work’ whatever) and there’s no reason they aren’t saying it except for ~plot.
protip: if your plot relies on the character not telling the truth about something that anyone else in the world would tell the truth about and there’s zero textual reason for them not to say it, then your plot is BAD.
On one hand I totally agree with this, on the other hand I refuse to disclose information to others for no reason but my stubbornness
not gonna lie i HATE this as a weak plot device but at the same time once in 9th grade my mom forgot it was my birthday and grounded me from using my phone to text my friends and i was so angry at how in the wrong she was that i waited til the next day to remind her it was my birthday and i was texting my friends to make plans for the party completely out of pettiness
Okay but, these are good reasons for a character to not reveal key information! Pettiness, stubbornness: these are character flaws. Character flaws drive the conflict in a story! They’re great!
People hear literary critics deriding a work for passing around an Idiot Ball, and then they think this means that any work where there’s a communication breakdown has a problem. No! Your story can totally have characters not talking to one-another. As long as it’s obvious to the reader that they have a reason for not Saying The Thing that is as important to them—or more important—than solving the problem is.
Bad communication in a story, on its own, isn’t frustrating. Bad communication when the character would be perfectly happy to communicate if the idea to do so would simply just pop into their goddamn worthless head already is what’s frustrating. (And even that can be a character flaw: inattentiveness. As long as you put that characterization into the text!)
I could end this entire debate with one sentence, but I'm not going to.
I don’t understand fun. Or silliness.

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I am a humanist, which mean, in part, that I have tried to behave decently without any expectation of rewards or punishments after I’m dead
Kurt Vonnegut (via geedqudhacahhoostii-blog-blog)
Vonnegut was just a One Boxer.
Rationalists should have murder mystery parties.
Reasons: - rationalists like parties - murder mysteries train skills like coming up with and testing hypotheses, sorting through evidence and avoiding bias, but also skills like getting information from people and convincingly playing a part. One part cognition, one part social skills, and one part dark arts - you get to dress up! - the act of writing the parts is probably delightful and intellectually fun
In conclusion, murder mystery parties.
Can there be swordfighting? I support all motions that involved dressing up and swordfighting!
i’ve stopped being surprised when rationalists are actively uncharitable to their ideological opponents
Sadly, rationalists aren’t an exception to base rates...
An Essential Slytherin question for non-Slytherins
I’m not a Slytherin at heart, but I do know a few and getting into their heads has been a bit tricky. One of the more important Slytherin questions for non-Slytherins (esp. Hufflepuffs) that I eventually extracted out of their heads is the following:
“How do I accomplish this task while also benefiting my future self?”
Many people act selflessly in their actions while attempting to care for others or take actions purely for temporary gain and fun while not considering their own upcoming futures. Just because your current actions weren’t chosen or designed to benefit your own future, that doesn’t mean they can’t be slightly modified so that you gain power, status, wealth, or other value in the future as well.
Whatever you personally value (knowledge, love, pleasure, kindness, wealth, etc.) you can often turn that into opportunities to gain other possible benefits later on. You can choose to do an activity with a friend instead of alone, choose to do the action while observed or with a wider audience and number of people affected by it, or you can ensure that the action builds a skill that could actually be useful to you in the future.
I don’t suggest that you stop doing whatever it is that you want to do. By all means, keep doing whatever it is that you want! I merely suggest that you might alter things ever so slightly so that you gain even more benefit later on down the line.
This way you end up both getting what you want right now and being more able to get more of it in the future. You could get more knowledge, more kindness to people, more love towards you, and many other things. There may not always be an easy or readily available answer to the question of “How do I accomplish this task while also benefiting my future self?” but I bet there’s an answer there far more often than you imagine.
A self-perpetuating cycle
I was talking to a smart friend of mine recently who wasn’t fully aware that this cycle was a thing. No one had fully pointed it out to them in simple terms. I’m posting it here to have something to point people to later or just have available in case other people are unaware that this is a thing.
Depression and anxiety are often self-perpetuating diseases because they push you towards action when you aren’t in a position to do anything and make you feel like you don’t need to take action when you are in a position to finally do something about it.
(Note: I’m not sure why this is coming up blurry. I’ll try to fix that at some point.)
The solution to this problem is to realize that you aren’t going to be fine in the future and that you need to get as much help as possible while you are feeling healthy before the next downfall into depression or anxiety comes back to bite you again.
A better model might actually be something like the sun. You can’t always see the sun, but even at night it still exists. It hides somewhere beyond the horizon waiting to come back out again and burn you as harshly as you’ll let it. Until you decide to act as if the monsters hiding behind the hills are always going to come back again, you may not make substantial enough progress on these issues to actually kill them for good.
Note: If you have depression, then please go check out this and this. If you have anxiety, then please go check out this. If you have these or any other issues that match the pattern stated above, then I strongly suggest you seek out a medical professional to help you.

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Anxiety: Not even a Sliver
I have a small amount of experience with anxiety and have spoken to lots of friends about the concepts involved. This portion of ideas about anxiety aren’t too common and are worth being aware of for people who have lots of anxiety in their life through anxiety disorders or other sources.
The model for anxiety that I think a lot of people with mental health issues operate under is something like the one below. We can call this Model 1.
Model 1 shows that as the amount of anxiety increases, the well-being of the person drops very quickly. The part of this model that I want you to pay attention to is the top left portion near the origin.
Under Model 1 people imagine that so long as there is only a sliver of anxiety in their system that they should be happy that things are not much worse. They try to tolerate it and don’t work too hard to remove that last sliver because they understand how terrible the real depths of the anxiety can get and that they are already doing “good” (for some value of good). One unit of anxiety is only something like -1 wellness on this model. That’s why I disagree with it.
A more realistic model for anxiety looks more like Model 2 below. A person’s wellbeing and ability to operate healthily has an large initial drop once only a sliver of anxiety has been introduced into their system. Even tiny amounts of constant anxiety can compromise a person’s ability to operate healthily, interact with others, and think as clearly as possible.
A person who is at 1 unit of anxiety will think that they are doing well compared to where they were when trying to function at 10 units of anxiety, but they miss the point that there are actual very massive benefits for moving from 1 unit back down to 0 units.
If you or anyone you know has lots of anxiety in their life through an anxiety disorder or something else, then I would strongly encourage you to ensure that the level of anxiety there is taken all the way down to zero and not left at just a sliver.
Note: If you have issues with anxiety or an anxiety disorder, then I strongly suggest you both check out this link and contact a medical professional for help with your problem. There are likely more and much better solutions available than you realize.
Be Sure Someone Cares
If you have a group where no one is caring for one another’s emotions and no one is caring for their own emotions, you’re going to end up with some bad consequences.
One of the various methods of thinking about forms that small communities can take is in how people’s needs are met. In a more communal setup, everyone takes care of everyone else’s needs. This leads to everyone’s needs being met because people can ignore large portions of self-interest while still getting their needs met due to the kindness and involvement of others. In more self-oriented societies, everyone primarily takes care of themselves. If everyone spends large amounts of time and effort on taking care of themselves and mostly ignoring the needs of other people, then most everyone involved would still get all of their needs taken care of.
The first obvious flaw in the communal setup is that it’s open to exploitation by someone who pursues self-interest as a net-taker while masquerading as a net-giver. The second flaw is that if after all is said and done there are not enough resources to go around and meet everyone’s needs, then everyone in the community will suffer badly for it. A matching flaw in the self-oriented model is that people who can’t take care of themselves and could only survive with the assistance of others will get left behind and starve/die/fail with no one taking care of them even if there are enough resources to go around.
In contrast to the two extreme systems I mentioned above, I’ve seen lots of small communities of geeky people in the US where a third option is chosen. These communities exist where no one takes care of the emotional needs of other people AND no one in them is taking care of their own emotional needs and wellbeing. Whether you prefer either of the two models I mentioned earlier, it’s obvious that this third model is the worst of all.
If no one is taking care of anyone else and no one is taking care of themselves, then everyone is going to starve out on the basic necessities to stay personally and psychologically healthy. I strongly suggest pushing any communities you are a part of away from this third model if you ever notice it occurring in practice.
The easiest transition away from the third model is most likely to move more towards the communal model than the self-oriented one. The buy in costs are lower since all you really need to do is convince one or two Hufflepuff-oriented people to start actively caring for other people. If those two people still need someone else taking care of their needs, then you can assist with that yourself or find another way to make that happen. (Two is a much easier target to fulfill than however many people are actually in your group). After that, try out other opportunities like getting people to form pairs or small groups where people start opening up more with one another and start building up emotional support. There are lots of ways to do this that are readily available online. Most popular methods include small group activities (2-4 people), alcohol, and shared misery.
This seems to be similar to what I’ve seen done in practice, although perhaps I’m just pattern matching. It’s easier to get a few people to start caring for others than to spontaneously get everyone to start practicing self-care. Starting a movement towards a more healthy community yourself is also an opportunity for personal gain and advancement (if you lacked motivation already or were attempting to be too self-sacrificing). I’ll detail that part a bit later. I’d be interested in other people’s ideas on this topic.
my time on the civ 3 ladder ruined for a while my ability to play casual civ with people. turns out 1-city-elimination, can’t-trade-or-negotiate 90-turn games cultivate instincts of “make this game as unfun as possible for a normal person”. I think I’m past that, though.
Once, on a road trip with a brother and a good friend, we played game after game of Munchkin for hours.
The basic idea is simple–humorous D&D-esque competitive race to be first to level 10, where a typical game involves cooperating until about level 5, then starting to impede each other.
But if you’re playing to win, often and in rapid succession, you realize that if you can stop someone from getting to level 2 from level 1, that helps you stop them from getting to level 10 before you. And so the knives come out turn one, which make the game simply unfun (especially since it’s more optimized for humor than balance).
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But if it were just that anecdote, I wouldn’t have posted it. But consider the Long Telegram, which I first learned of today, in which an American diplomat correctly predicted the Cold War and the Soviet style in 1946, and in particular how much of the Soviet style was due to the Russian leadership’s projection of their insecurities onto the world at large, and the belief that until they had wrecked every rival they had on the world stage, they could not be safe.
Which maps onto tournament play of Civ-style games pretty well; the difference in flavor between a game of friends, where you might even have a Wonder conflict resolution mechanic (”oh, you’ll finish the Great Library before I will? Thanks for letting me know, I’ll build something else instead” or even “you really want the Great Library? Well, I could take it but I’ll let you have it (maybe in exchange for X)”) and the goal is to all be enjoying your time running through history together and a game of competitors, where any obstacle you can throw in the way of your opponents makes you that much more likely to win, is horrifying.
This makes me want to see an iterated version of munchkin where points for winning each individual game is higher with a two person tie than a one person win.
Rational vs. Rationalist
I recently shared a link from LessWrong about a thing the author called “Self-Congratulatory Rationalism.” I myself have noticed this kind of mentality in the rationalist community, and many of my friends that are part of it are in general averse to saying so or even engaging much in it because of that. This is another example of what I mean.
It’s like the word “rational” lost some of its magic, in a way.
The behaviour and mentality that’s so pervasive in the rationalist community is this thinking that one is rational. One is not rational. Unless one has magical Solomonoff Induction processors and infinite computing capacity, one is never rational.
This is all said in the Sequences, too! Every cause wants to be a cult! Knowing about biases can hurt you! And yet we have many many examples of… of…
Seamus Finnigan was frowning thoughtfully. “I think I see where Harry gets his… you know… from,” Seamus said, lowering his voice so that only Lavender and Dean could hear.
“Oh, I totally know what you mean,” Lavender said. She didn’t bother to lower her own voice. “It’s a wonder he didn’t crack and just start killing everyone ages ago.”
“Personally,” Dean said, also in a quieter voice, “I’d say the really scary part is - that could’ve been us.”
“Yeah,” said Lavender. “It’s a good thing we’re all perfectly sane now.”
Dean and Seamus nodded solemnly.
-Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, Chapter 86
No! We’re not! That’s a failure mode! You don’t get free lunches, you don’t get me to assume you’re sane and rational just because you’re part of this community!
We’re not rational. It’s not physically possible to be perfectly rational, not in our universe. We're rationalists, we're people who value rationality or, to talk about what I mean, we’re people who value truth and efficiency. Epistemic rationality is making your map as similar to reality as you can; instrumental rationality is using what you have to attain your objectives as efficiently as you can. But unless you’re talking about that specifically, you don’t get to use the word “rational." You are not rational.
I try to avoid in-group/out-group thinking, and I think I mostly succeed. Whatever seeds of group halo effect around LW might have existed in my mind have long since withered and died as I’ve seen time and time again people who use this banner to be part of a group instead of simply seek truth and win. So let’s try to separate the community from the goal here:
Yes, I’m a rationalist; I identify as one. That means I value truth and want to achieve my own goals with maximum efficiency. If some group of people has these same tenets as central, I will be gladly part of it. If a community is dedicated to improving and finding out how to work better, then I’m in it. But if the community is about patting each other in our respective backs for how persecuted we are for being paragons of rationality…
I’m not in it. I don’t care for it. I don't want to be patted on the back. Yes, I know it’s actually hard trying to be rational, and most people aren’t, and I’m swimming against the current, dressed as a clown, whatever. But that’s not my identity. I’m not a contrarian because I like being a contrarian; it’s just a side effect of my goal of seeking truth and efficiency in a humanity that’s in general stupid and inefficient. If society was overall rational, I would not be a contrarian. And I don’t want to be congratulated for being rational.
I just want to be rational, while knowing I’m only a rationalist.
Previous post: How to think properly (End of rationality posts… for now.)
I know of about 5 practical definitions of rationality by rationalists that are useful. I also know of something like 6 definitions of passersby, people who latch on for social purposes, and far outsiders.
“LW groups should all be about cuddles and puppies and cuteness and discussions of existential risks or philosophical consequences of anthropic considerations”
scientiststhesis/ hot-gay-rationalist (via somervta)
I would add many things to this list. Ex: rationality

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Has discussion of neoreactionary/dark enlightenment racist, homophobic, and chauvinistic ideological memes ever been shut down on LessWrong in the way discussion of Roko’s Basilisk was?
Morality and AI
Proposition: we need a consistent moral framework so that we can program it in to a superintelligence with the goal of benefiting all of humanity.
Observation: many people are already attempting to create intelligent agents with the goal of benefiting themselves. This is still difficult, but must be easier.
…handwaving ensues…
Conclusion: it seems impossibly unlikely that any Friendly AI effort under way today will have any impact on the future of humanity.
Suggestion: LessWrong has the mantra that “politics is the mindkiller”, when perhaps studiously ignoring politics makes the community much less effective, given that politics has more immediate impact on humanity than physics.
Tumblr may not be the best venue for this discussion, though.
Existential threat. See: Pascal's mugging