FYI: Ninjago Theories is dead and has been for a long time. It was simply too stressful for me to continue, so I stopped doing it. However, I still do theories and answer questions - I just do it on this blog instead, mostly because thereâs less pressure for professionalism, since this is more of a personal blog.
However, considering that Iâve gotten this question many, many times in the past, Iâve decided to take the time to answer it now, just in case if I havenât done so before. And as for the answer, itâs actually pretty simple - the spell never required all of the elements in the first place.
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weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee no but seriously are you people still alive or did a plot contradiction create a paradox that could have easily been avoided destroy you all?
Honestly I just really donât care anymore. Tearing apart this show is exhausting; usually it ends up being a lot of work with few (if any) rewards. Itâs also not encouraging to see â544 messagesâ every time you open your Tumblr inbox. (And thatâs only from this blog, not any of my other sideblogs.)
Long story short? I donât have time for long-form theories anymore, and itâs exhausting to even think about trying to write one of them. Iâm literally a college sophomore now; I donât have time to spend two to four hours typing out a theory in a concise way. (Heck, I need to do that with actual class essays, and I still donât have time for it.)
For anybody whoâs still curious about my theories, Iâll point you over to my Ninjago sideblog, @birchwoodswolf, where I do still occasionally post little theory tidbits or whatever if I think about it and I have the time.
Other than that this blog is Pretty Much Dead. Iâm just not as into Ninjago as I used to be and I donât really consider this a great use of my time anymore. Sorry. :P
So this has been bugging me for a while; What exactly is Lloyd's elemental power? In season 4 Chen refers it as "power", but in a commercial for the show they say he is the "master of all elements". Some believe his element is energy. My theory is that all elements derive from energy, which Lloyd is the master of. Because of this, he is technically the master of all elements, as well as power. But I am not sure if this is necessarily the case, which is why I wanted your opinion on the matter
Just a few days ago, I actually figured out a complete, concrete and relatively airtight system for how Ninjagoâs elements generally work. Iâm in the process of making a post about it right now.
Iâll just say that youâre on the right track. Iâd rather save most of my remarks for the actual post.
The Hageman brothers haven't "written themselves into a corner", this wave was made on shorter notice than Rebooted after the movie was delayed by a year. Budgets had to be pulled from thin air, hence the lack of new molds bar the chain piece. There's plenty of stories left, such as aliens, evil samurai, return of the Overlord (gotta happen at some point), rock creatures, time travel, zombies, elemental beasts, and whatever's in the final ten realms.
Just gonna say this... Are aliens or zombies really what weâd want to see? Not of you ask me. Return of the Overlord would be stale too, and time travel... is not Ninjagoâs strongest point. The remaining realms will be our most likely bet if you ask me.
Well, Chen and "gasp" Pythor are back! What do you theorize that their return will involve? Think Pythor is going bad again? :(
Well, Iâve been saying it for a while now, but the Hagemans have finally forced themselves into a situation where the game has been reduced to Cloud Kingdom or Bust. Unless if Chen miraculously escaped the same way Clouse did, I donât think thereâs any way to avoid using the Cloud Kingdom.
(Chen escaping the Cursed Realm doesnât really make sense for a lot of reasons, especially considering that Clouse was alone for his entire journey from wherever-he-ended-up-in-Ninjago to Stiix. If heâd mentioned anything about wishes and Clouse wanted to or had the ability to bring Chen along, Chen would want to come along. Clouse probably didnât want to, for one thing. He and Chen are almost perfect mirrors of Skales and Slithraa back in S1: Clouse knows heâs better than Chen and wishes to dispose of him when he can. Considering that Clouse has magical capabilities far beyond anything Chen is capable of (if heâs capable of anything at all), he was probably able to easily escape the Cursed Realm, and left Chen behind. Chen doesnât have the ability to escape by himself; my guess is that he and Garmadon both drowned inside the Preeminent. If Chen returns, the Cloud Kingdom will have to be involved.)
As for Pythor, the story is more... complicated. Itâs difficult to say exactly what angle theyâll take here. However, as far as Iâm concerned, it doesnât make sense for Pythor to willingly turn against the Ninja again. After Chenâs deception was revealed and Pythor was honored by Arcturus, the all-time greatest general of the Anacondrai tribe, I think heâs going to stay good for a long time. The only question in this case is, for one, whether heâs being bribed somehow (because if someone had a good enough incentive, Pythor would probably take it - I canât think of a good incentive, though, honestly), or if he somehow died offscreen between the end of S4 and now.
Ultimately, there are just a lot of things that we donât know at this point. And itâs hard to tell what his role will be, without any actual pictures of the set he supposedly appears in.
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Do you know when Ninjago Masters of spinjitzu, skybound comes in the uk?? I think that's its out in the us already? Thanks
Itâs been leaking from Cartoon Network Asia for the past few weeks. It still isnât out in the US, and it wonât be until... March, Iâm pretty sure? I donât know exactly. Either way, the entire seasonâs out - if you search âNinjago episode 55âł on YouTube, you should be able to find it.
I think the Hagemans said a while ago that itâll probably be out in the UK in February, but donât quote me on it.
could I join you? I have a record of right theories, for example Morro have connection to Wu. I really like the series.
Sorry, man, but no can do. I made this blog so my friends and I could have somewhere to post theories that isnât Deviantart. Itâs chaotic enough on here without having to worry about other peopleâs posts - me and Lince disagree on our interpretations of things almost as often as we agree, and itâs difficult to come to an informed consensus when we canât talk them out very much (we live 7-8 time zones apart). Adding more people into the equation isnât going to help anything.
Even if you do have a record of correct theories, youâve provided no proof of that. Your Tumblr is completely empty. Youâve given me no real reason to add you, and Iâm not willing to add more people at this point. :P
What do you think the future of Ninjago is? How long will go? The movie is supposedly coming out next year; Will this mean that the show will be rebooted and start over from the movie? Or will it be like with DC, where the movie universe and TV universe are separate? I imagine the sets coming out next year will be from the movie, so what about the show?
Iâm one of what is likely a minority of fans who really, really hopes Ninjago will end after S7. A villain team-up season like this usually signifies that the writers are running out of ideas; unless if they start to utilize another entity, like the Cloud Kingdom (and I still donât know why they havenât - theyâve been avoiding it like the plague, which is disappointing), thereâs not much more they can do with the elements that they already have in place. On top of that, itâs getting more difficult to include new elements, as the lore is already starting to become quite dense and incomprehensible from the weight of everything packed in it already.
As it stands, though, thereâs no end in sight. I canât remember where the source was, but LEGO has apparently said that Ninjago is one of their âevergreen themesâ that releases sets every wave. A large part of whatâs driving the set sales - which is the #1 factor in how long a theme lasts - is the TV show. Ninjago is immensely profitable for LEGO. If Ninjago wasnât as successful after the pilots, and then after S1 and S2, these last four seasons wouldnât exist at all. If Ninjagoâs popularity suddenly crashes, itâll stop being an evergreen theme, and the TV show will end once and for all.
Ultimately, it all boils down to the fact that LEGO treats the episodes as nothing more than 22-minute commercials. LEGO doesnât care about what would be a good place for the story to end. As far as theyâre concerned, if theyâre still making money off of it, itâs Good and they Need More. Ninjagoâs story, judging from what we know about S7, would probably best be capped at seven seasons (as I said earlier). More likely than not, though, thatâs not going to happen.
As for how the movie factors into things: I have no idea how thatâs going to play out, honestly. We donât know enough about the movie for me to make that call. And as for the âsets coming out next yearâ: if you mean the upcoming summer wave, thatâs got one set from S6 and a ton of sets from whatâs most likely S7 (because I doubt that the movie would be about a villain round-up). There havenât been leaks from any waves beyond that yet.
Why did Julien abandon Echo Zane whenever Zane and the Ninja first arrived at the Lighthouse? It seems quite cruel.
Iâve talked about this in-depth on my blog several times. Basically, he realized that there were absolutely infinitesimal odds that Zane would even want to search for him, much less actually find him. Julien made Echo to keep himself sane. He had no bad intentions; solitary confinement does shit to people, and he was alone in the lighthouse for years.
Julien lost all hope that heâd ever see Zane again. It was the only reason that he probably allowed himself to make Echo. When Zane actually did come back, against all odds - because TLV is the largest series of coincidences weâve ever seen on the show, when you think about it - Julien was forced into a very, very tight spot with no right answer. He had exactly no room for error - one wrong move, and heâd alienate everyone around him.
By not involving Echo in the situation at all, it eliminates most, if not all, of the potential chaos that could result from the encounter. Thereâs far too much potential for hurt feelings and thereâs not nearly enough time to explain them away. The only bad thing that could result from Julien leaving Echo in the basement (at least on Julienâs end) would be that Julien would have to live with a guilty conscience that he left him behind. If heâd let Echo get involved, who even knows what wouldâve happened? Zane would probably never look Julien in the eye again.
Now, Iâm not saying he made the right choice, because there is no right choice; Iâm also not saying he made a good choice, because there is no good choice. Iâm saying that Julien made the best choice available to him out of several bad options.
There are other things I could use to âjustifyâ his decision, but ultimately I donât think it deserves to be justified. This was Julienâs choice, after all. If he wants to come back and explain it himself, thatâs fine by me.
Just read your thoughts on the season finally, and I agree wholeheartedly. One thing though about the elemental masters: When Jay gets sucked into the sword, we actually see Griffin Turner in there, which could mean that Nadakhan went after the other elemental masters to power his Soul Blade (not Skylor, since she no longer has an element). Its sort of an excuse for them not being there in s6, but they definitely could have helped out in s5. Hopefully they will all be back for the final season.
See, the thing is, Turner is actually a plot hole, mostly because I donât trust the Hageman bros to know their own show anymore. I have, once and for all, accepted that I know the show better than the writers do. (And LEGOâs still not paying me to run the theory blog, which adds a huge amount of undeserved hype for the show. Come on, if I have to watch the writers ruin everything, I at least want to be earning a bit of cash for it.)
Turner has powers over time, not speed. The thing that I take issue with with Turner is that itâs all just a little too convenient to have the Elemental Master who can control time get stuck in a sword in an alternate timeline.
Naturally, theyâre never going to explain this. Iâve accepted that. But the Elemental Masters are never going to come back in canon, either - theyâve gotten their one-season-of-interaction, so itâs time for a new cast of characters to come along. Weâll fall in love with them, and then theyâll disappear into Side Character Hell once theyâre no longer useful.
Again, how is Griffin Turner being in the sword a contradiction of canon? If anything, itâs a cameo/shout-out/easter egg joke. You also talk like heâs still stuck in the sword, like the alternate timeline is still a thing thatâs ongoing, but it isnât. Nadakhan rewound time- everything he did with the sword has effectively never happened, aside from Jay and Nya retaining all of their memories.
A contradiction of canon and a plot hole are not the same thing. A plot hole is merely a gap in logical reasoning - things that happen with no explanation whatsoever given. No contradiction of canon has to be involved at all.
For instance, thereâs another plot hole in the last two episodes:Â Why can only the Ninja make wishes from Nadakhan? They couldâve easily had 18 more wishes to work with from everybody who came to rescue Nya (Ronin, Echo, Skyl*r, Dareth, Soto, and the police commissioner). That wouldâve been more than enough to undo all of the other bad wishes individually, and Jay couldâve used his last wish to save Nyaâs life instead of resetting time.
So now letâs go back to Turner: if Turner can control time, he can jump between timelines as he pleases. And if he can jump between timelines as he pleases, why is he stuck in the sword in an alternate timeline?
Thatâs why I consider it a plot hole. Thereâs no contradiction of canon involved. The writers are never going to come back and explain it, though (unless if itâs weirdly relevant on a next-level meta sense, which I doubt it will be).
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"if I have to watch the writers ruin everything" you don't though?
Oh yes I do~
Anon, you forget that people would riot if I stopped posting on this blog :) Because itâs happened before :)
And after all of my S7 theories have been trashed and it continues to grow less and less likely by the day that my backups will work, I think I deserve a little time to talk about exactly how little the writers care :)
Just read your thoughts on the season finally, and I agree wholeheartedly. One thing though about the elemental masters: When Jay gets sucked into the sword, we actually see Griffin Turner in there, which could mean that Nadakhan went after the other elemental masters to power his Soul Blade (not Skylor, since she no longer has an element). Its sort of an excuse for them not being there in s6, but they definitely could have helped out in s5. Hopefully they will all be back for the final season.
See, the thing is, Turner is actually a plot hole, mostly because I donât trust the Hageman bros to know their own show anymore. I have, once and for all, accepted that I know the show better than the writers do. (And LEGOâs still not paying me to run the theory blog, which adds a huge amount of undeserved hype for the show. Come on, if I have to watch the writers ruin everything, I at least want to be earning a bit of cash for it.)
Turner has powers over time, not speed. The thing that I take issue with with Turner is that itâs all just a little too convenient to have the Elemental Master who can control time get stuck in a sword in an alternate timeline.
Naturally, theyâre never going to explain this. Iâve accepted that. But the Elemental Masters are never going to come back in canon, either - theyâve gotten their one-season-of-interaction, so itâs time for a new cast of characters to come along. Weâll fall in love with them, and then theyâll disappear into Side Character Hell once theyâre no longer useful.
Because his character has a crazy amount of potential to do so many cool things with the show! He has the power to change anything - he can set up any kind of cool scenario for the Ninja to work their way out of. And he can also fix whatever problems the Hageman bros canât think of reasons to fix themselves.
They really should be using and abusing the kind of power they gave themselves with Fenwick, but theyâre not, and it pisses me off! Other authors would kill for this kind of power over their plots, myself included! But the Hagemans have this power and arenât using it!
Sorry, Iâm just really pissed at the S6 finale in general right now. Because thatâs another instance of where Fenwick could have fixed everything in a much more satisfying way, but the Hagemans chose to take matters into their own hands and retcon an entire season. :)
The debate here is not âWas the finale good?â (Because yes, yes it was.)
The debate here is not âWere there any other potential ways out of the situation we were presented with?â (Because yes, yes there were.)
The debate here is âWas the writing lazy?â
(Because yes.)
(Yes it was.)
Iâm not complaining that nobody else got development - Iâd expected that from the get-go once Kai and the others started getting sucked into the sword. Iâm also not complaining that none of the others remember what happened - because they donât; a sense of dĂŠjĂ vu means that they donât clearly remember what happened, unlike Jay and Nya, who apparently remember everything perfectly.
Iâm complaining because all of the awesome stuff that happened this season ended up not happening in the canon timeline. Itâs lazy writing.
There are literally an infinite number of ways that the last episode could have gone without resetting the entire season:
Jay couldâve wished for all of the wishes to be reversed.
If the sword worked differently such that he couldnât have freed his friends by going inside it, he could have wished them free and then had a curb-stomp battle with a poisoned Nadakhan.
Hell, the Dream Team couldâve pounded him into the ground and then wished them free.
He couldâve made a sacrifice - his life in exchange for Nyaâs - or just straight-up brought Nya back from the dead. Since the omitted rule that you canât bring back the dead was never explicitly stated - and they aggressively danced around it, which is why I thought it would be relevant later - it would probably work.
He couldâve wished that other people besides the Ninja could wish for things (which was a plot hole in the first place) and get rid of him via the 18 new wishes on his side from the Dream Team.
There we go: thatâs five ways off the top of my head that the finale couldâve gone while still leaving the timeline intact. And all of these ways are without even mentioning the Cloud Kingdom, which could fix any and all remaining problems and more. Rocks and debris raining from the sky? Ninjagoâs dealt with worse, who cares. Dead people who werenât supposed to die? Fenwick will probably fix that himself. Dead Ninja? Ask Fenwick nicely!
Itâs lazy writing to - quite literally - wish it all away so they can ignore it in future seasons. Have you even seen what S6 essentially comes down to now? Because I put it together! Hereâs everything thatâs canon of S6, in all of its twelve minutes of glory!
It has nothing to do with character development, or anything within canon, and I wonât deny that the finale was awesome! But itâs the laziest writing Iâve ever seen on a show thatâs become known for its lazy writing from S3 onward.
Thatâs why I take issue with the S6 finale. Because the episode was good, sure. But there were other ways they couldâve solved it without retconning it all away.
And since theyâve retconned it all away? It guarantees that weâll never see any of the characters that were introduced in S6 ever again! Flintlocke, Dogshank, Clancee, Monkey Wrench, and probably the biggest fan favorite, Echo Zane - we can kiss all of them goodbye! Just like Morro, just like the Elemental Masters, just like every side character that has never interacted with the Ninja for very long at a stretch - theyâre gone.
Since the timeline has been erased from a point before they were even introduced, theyâre now guaranteed to be permanently irrelevant, because the Ninja would have to actually work to get them back, and, ha, are you kidding me, thatâs not going to happen. Neuro said to just give them a call if they ever needed help - the easiest possible way to leave a path to bring them back - and even when shit hit the fan in S6, they still didnât come back. The Ninja would have to actually work to go back to the Lighthouse, or to find the realms that Nadakhanâs pirates are trapped in; if the Elemental Masters canât come back, thereâs no way anybody introduced in this season would.
Iâm done. Back to hoping that Fenwick will be relevant again, at some point in time. (Thatâs the only thing I can allow myself to hope for at this rate.)
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Do you think there are other lands apart of Ninjago? That could explain why there is a port at Ninjago, and the maps would be from the continent of Ninjago. Also, some characters have accents.
Ever since S4 aired, Iâve been slowly-but-surely growing to support the idea that LEGO Ultra Agents takes place in the same world/realm as Ninjago - the continents are probably extremely far apart such that neither realm has ever made contact with the other, but it would potentially explain how Chen actually found Toxikita, Paleman, etc. in the first place, and how theyâd all already reached their True Potentials.
(Keep in mind, though, that Stiix could be a port for other reasons, possibly because there are more port cities scattered around that we havenât seen. If thereâs one port, thereâs bound to be more, and a port would definitely help stimulate the economy in or around Stiix and other port towns.
Itâs implied, for instance, that Ninjago City also used to be a small port before it grew into a sprawling metropolis (pretty much Ninjagoâs equivalent of New York City, in other words). Most likely, Ninjago City was a port off of the Sea of Sand, which used to be a rather large sea, but then it dried up. Trade made the city grow rich; thatâs why itâs so much more developed than other regions of NInjago.)
And it could potentially explain why Clancee hasnât used any of his wishes yet, too. Though I canât exactly justify why this would be the case on the spot...