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Imposing the veil in Libya and banning the import of "inappropriate" clothing.. Decisions of the Minister of Interior of the Government of National Unity raise controversy

when it comes to (marginally) less sexist culture and laws in white countries, somehow the white people, and white men who still control almost everything have nothing to do with it? how do you make that logical leap, do laws magically descend from the skies untouched by the people writing and obeying them?

while i believe their reasons are selfish, made out of personal interest (porn, sexual freedom, prostitution etc) and very rarely genuine respect for women, yes, white men make 'better' laws and cultures for women to live in. white women don't have the power to force white men to do something 0% of them want to do, not even today. it's not even debatable, look at the state of the world elsewhere.... and of course it's not 'also racist to woc', because patriarchy means laws and culture reflect male priorities more than female priorities, everywhere on earth.

but women like menalez who deny this are traitors to the female sex and have chosen race consciousness over sex-class consciousness. her, and everyone repeating the same political line, are traitors to women and can only blame themselves if white women also react by choosing race-consciousness in response to protect themselves against moc.

Without even touching upon how race is about as consistent an identifier as gender identity - white men DON’T make these laws that force them to behave better. WOMEN DO. The difference is that western women have slightly more power to force their own men to behave more than women in second and third world countries.

In their quest to be racist, anon has erased centuries of women’s rights history. There is not one protection western women have that was gifted to them by a more benevolent class of male.

You have your rights in the west because your foremothers fought and died getting them. And your sisters in the global south lack them because they lack the same opportunities you do.

No type of man in history has ever just ‘given’ women rights.

also as pineapple pointed out, women in the global south do not have the same opportunities to make the changes western women have. the feminist movements are tightly controlled and repressed by the states. and a lot of you racists on radblr have a colonial mindset when it comes to all this. women in these countries not only have to fight patriarchal oppression but also western imperialism (which influences the patriarchal systems, in various ways).

women like menalez who deny this are traitors to the female sex and have chosen race consciousness over sex-class consciousness. her, and everyone repeating the same political line, are traitors to women and can only blame themselves if white women also react by choosing race-consciousness in response to protect themselves against moc.

As a woman living in a third world country, you are 100% correct. Men here are socialized and encouraged to be rabid woman haters, if you let them into your country they will eventually take away your freedoms too.

Why is a radfem so concerned about brown men or any men for that matter? I say only accept female immigrants from misogynistic countries. Women are the ones who actually need refuge.

People will be crying that acknowledging the misogyny of brown men will lead to racism against brown women but i'd still put a racist woman's safety over a brown moid's feelings. Even if she calls me slurs i'd still prioritize her safety over a man's feelings.

Great points anon! I'd say you summarised it better

And THIS is what you conveniently cropped out; who she reblogged and added additions from:

How can you reblog ANTI NAZI WHITE ADVOCATE and still think you're not racist? I think you know that it is racism due to the fact that you chose to crop out who she reblogged from and the context in what she said, on a post about being anti immigration.

Honestly if you still think you aren't racists, you can fuck off of radblr. You aren't radical feminists if you can't reconize an alt-right dogwhistle and instead try to frame it by saying "Well we're talking about the countries, not immigration!" On a post about immigration and about being anti immigration.

Here's my explanation of why this is an alt right dogwhistle to any non racists who care:

okay with that out of the way

helllooo hiii since I saw my countrys name, and Im tired of radblr since some motherfucker tried to imply in my inbox that ???? Im a racist or a nazi??? Idk but Im still fucking pissed off at that so I wanted to play a fun game!

take any name of the state in india and search it with the term rape

heres some results I got :)

assam rape

maharashtra rape

kerala rape

delhi rape

noticed how I didnt have to focus on the atrocity that was commited against the poor doctor in kolkata recently?

what a fun game isnt it. v fun especially as an indian woman who was born and brought up india and got molested in a fucking hindu temple, in the holy divine space that hindus claim it is, in front of the holy fucking God himself when I was barely even in hs. v fun.

one more fun addition:

now atp ngl Idek what the fuck you guys are even arguing about, Idk if anyone in these posts is an actual nazi, is antisemitic or racist, cause Im so fucking lost even after trying to understand just where everyone is even going with their arguments anymore because normal people dont act or speak like this irl and Im so out of loop with radblrs ways of misconstruing eachother.

BUT but let me say one thing as a brown woman who has spent my childhood in both extremely poor rural areas of india, among levels of poverty you guys could never even dream, and sorta bog cities that still carry extremely extremely backassward views on women, homosexuals and the mentaly ill, when I say I agree when op said indian men are rapists and should be portrayed/treated as such. at least that part of her post is not racist cause its the fucking truth. you dont want more of them in west and we dont want them anywhere near us either.

https://menalez.tumblr.com/tagged/mandyfem

https://menalez.tumblr.com/tagged/deadfish-inabarrel

i live in europe myself, for a grand total of 7 years now in 2 different european countries. i also come from one of those “barbaric” “muslim countries”. yet whenever i point out the blatant white supremacist and far-right rhetoric plastered all over these posts as someone who is affected by such rhetoric, i get told to ~go back to my country~ and falsely represented as some pro-islam extremist. it’s interesting how hearing the voices of women in europe specifically means “listen to the voices of far-right white european women”. you talk about how difficult it is to discuss moc’s misogyny as a woc.. i agree. it is hard. i feel like i can’t even discuss brown men’s misogyny because i’m worried open white nationalists will then use the misogyny we, not they, are victimised by to fuel their racist rhetoric.

"Why do you care if strange men get access to spaces where you drop your pants? You are going to get raped anyway / more likely to get raped by your husband anyway."

"Why do you care if men from religious conservative countries with non-existent women's rights immigrate to your country? You are going to get raped by your bf/husband anyway."

"Also, how come the heterosexual women do not know they could just easily avoid the male violence by not partnering or having sex with men? Those daft cows, am I right? Yes, there is nothing to criticise about my opinion here (unless you are not a true radfem™), but all women who are not thrilled over conservative religious men, who happen to be brown or black, immigrating to their countries are racist white women™ and tribalfems™ (kind of like terfs and bigots, right?). Also, I am totally not tribal at all with my opinion that some women are partially responsible for the abuse men inflict on them because they are dumb/horny ebough to not stop partnering with men."

Why do you insist on being so dishonest about this topic? I am seriously starting to lose respect for you.

obviously anyone's argument will seem wrong if you blatantly rewrite and caricaturize the words of the person before you. Let's be more intellectually honest right now. For you to point out how something sounds like a "tra argument" then behave like a TRA who hasn't touched grass since the 1500's is ridiculous.

First of all, black and brown men who come into your country are not "entering spaces where you drop your pants" unless they're being invited into your bathrooms, washrooms, changing areas etc like TRAs want trans women to be able to. Unless you think your entire country is your bathroom, that is a foolish take.

Pointing out that intimate relationships with men is THE biggest risk factor for suffering violence from men is NOT blaming you for that violence. Informing someone the most effective ways to stay safe from male violence is not saying the fault of the male violence is on them. If you think it is, you have an unnecessary dichotomy in your mind that you need to break down.

If you have the OPTION to refuse partnership with men, then it goes to say you should heavily consider it in order to stay safe from said men.

Women from certain Muslim countries where they don't have said options are the most in need of migration to safer places. Why punish them by being anti-immigration altogether? There are more options, such as requiring all male immigrants to attend acclimation school, and/or allow far more (or only) female & young child immigrants. However either way acting like it absolves you of risk is silly because, as hades said, the biggest risk is the men in your life, many of which will be white if you're white.

And idk about you specifically but there are an absolutely wild amount of particularly white women who think white men are inherently safer than black and brown men. Were you not here during the redberryterf shit? She's not the only one and those types are clearly what hades is addressing. If that's not you, why open your mouth and claim it just to gaslight women of colour to say that rhetoric isn't real and they actually mean xyz.

"Why do you care if strange men get access to spaces where you drop your pants? You are going to get raped anyway / more likely to get raped by your husband anyway."

"Why do you care if men from religious conservative countries with non-existent women's rights immigrate to your country? You are going to get raped by your bf/husband anyway."

"Also, how come the heterosexual women do not know they could just easily avoid the male violence by not partnering or having sex with men? Those daft cows, am I right? Yes, there is nothing to criticise about my opinion here (unless you are not a true radfem™), but all women who are not thrilled over conservative religious men, who happen to be brown or black, immigrating to their countries are racist white women™ and tribalfems™ (kind of like terfs and bigots, right?). Also, I am totally not tribal at all with my opinion that some women are partially responsible for the abuse men inflict on them because they are dumb/horny ebough to not stop partnering with men."

Why do you insist on being so dishonest about this topic? I am seriously starting to lose respect for you.