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An evening by the fireside.
I'm playing TW1 again and I have thoughts about this tiny little sequence in the Chapter 2 quest "Memories of a Blade", which amounts to the only mention of CoĂŤn in the game.
When undertaking this quest, Geralt is investigating the origin of the silver sword he was given to slay a cockatrice; he mistakenly believes that it might be Berengar's sword since he knows the other witcher to have been in the area. A conversation with Thaler, from whom the sword was confiscated by the guard, will lead him eventually to speak to the Gardener outside St. Lebioda's hospital in Vizima. This man used to be a mercenary under Pretty Kitty, but has since retired and works as a gardener, and had lost the silver sword at dice poker. When interacted with, he will begin any conversation with "Look how they grow!", referring to the plants in his garden. The player can then initiate the quest dialogue with option one, "I'm more interested in silver swords".
GERALT: I'm more interested in silver swords.
GARDENER: I knew one of you would come by eventually.
GERALT: You lost it playing dice?
GARDENER: I was sure I'd win. Beware, the sharp one plays well.
GERALT: Where did you get this sword?
GARDENER: Five years ago, there was a battle near Brenna. When the dust had settled, our men had beaten the Nilfgaardians. We ceased to call ourselves an imperial province that day.
GERALT: You captured the sword during the battle?
GARDENER: Yes, it was witcher CĂśen's [sic]. A strapping fellow and a rare breed. Not very talkative, mind you.
GERALT: Like most of us.
GARDENER: I gave my word the sword would find another witcher. As he lay dying, he mumbled about teeth and destiny. Then he laughed -- at his own death.
GERALT: Yet you lost it gambling?
GARDENER: I kept it hidden for five years. I lost hope I'd ever run into another witcher. Miss Shani knew CĂśen [sic]. She works at the hospital.
GERALT: Thanks.
GARDENER: Good luck on the path!
The quest will lead you to speak with Shani, then Zoltan, but neither will provide further information on CoĂŤn, aside from Shani mentioning that he died on her operating table -- Shani's dialogue is to provide her backstory as a medic at Brenna and to mention Rusty, and Zoltan simply assesses the quality of the blade to ensure that it is a witcher blade of good workmanship. It has no further significance to Geralt, who, without his memory, has no idea who CoĂŤn is and has more pressing matters to deal with than to look into the past of a man who died five years ago (according to the somewhat off-kilter game timeline, anyway). But it's the only mention of CoĂŤn in the games, and I find that it's a very interesting way to manifest his presence.
I think it is reasonable to tie CoĂŤn quite closely to his sword on a symbolic level, if one considers his appearance in the novels where he not only trains with Ciri, but his prowess with a sword is unrivaled even by the other witchers to the point where she believes that he may be the best swordsman in the world. Additionally, the fact that he fought at Brenna at all means that he offered his sword in the service of the Northern Kingdoms, and when he dies, he is identified by his peers as a "master swordsman" rather than as a witcher, despite the fact that they know of his nature. As such, CoĂŤn's sword is a very important possession for him to leave behind.
And from there, there is a connection to Lambert, left unsaid. To go beyond the simple fact that CoĂŤn was Lambert's friend, someone dearly loved who was close enough with Lambert and his family to get on with the other wolves and stay a winter at Kaer Morhen, the importance lies with the sword. As with any witcher, CoĂŤn wouldn't have much in the way of worldly possessions to bequeath onto someone else in the event of his prophecied death. But he does have his swords, which are established as symbolically important to him. A steel sword could be taken up by any warrior capable enough to use it, but a silver sword belongs in the hands of a witcher, and that is what CoĂŤn asked for on his deathbed, for his silver sword to be given to another witcher. While it's very possible that this is meant in a general way, that he just wanted any other witcher to take it up, to avoid the sword being wasted, broken, or dismantled for its composite parts, it also strikes me as possible that he could have intended it for a specific witcher.
Lambert is one of the instructors for Ciri when she's first learning the swordplay and acrobatics associated with being a witcher. Lambert is the one in the first game to provide the instructional descriptions of the Fighting Styles for Geralt to regain his swordplay competencies after losing his memories. And there is another bit of dialogue in TW3 that really emphasises both Lambert's connection to Vesemir, the swordmaster of Kaer Morhen, and the idea of swords as inheritance, as a manifestation of closeness:
LAMBERT: Knew the old man couldn't live forever. Huh, even told Eskel that when it came time, I'd get his sword. Fits my hand perfectly, you know.
Which is a heartbreaking notion in and of itself upon which I could expostulate, the symbolism there in the fraught relationship between Lambert and his father figure reduced to something as simple as a hilt that fits two hands perfectly. But if this is the inheritance that Lambert wants, it makes it all the more pertinent that CoĂŤn desperately wanted his silver sword to make it into the hands of another witcher. Lambert, the son of a swordmaster, wants to take on a sword as a memento of someone he has lost, and CoĂŤn, the master swordsman, left his sword behind. Even if Lambert were not the specific intended target of the sword, he would have possibly or even likely known CoĂŤn well enough to fulfill his wishes, whatever they might be.
And yet CoĂŤn's sword never makes it home or into the hands of someone who would value it, like Lambert would, this last memory of his dear friend. Geralt makes use of the sword during his time in Vizima, and then it is lost, replaced by the gifted Aerondight. And so CoĂŤn is lost with it, never mentioned again.
business as usual
the multilinguality of a lot of the witcher characters is something i love and also probably a feature resulting from sapkowski being a polyglot himself as well as creating a fantasy world that mimics the real one.
itâs a more obvious and crucial element in the hussite trilogy, but i think that itâs also significant in the witcher, too.
languages are not as simple as belonging to one people group. for instance, one can know one dialect of elder speech and be fluent in it, but struggle to communicate in another dialect.
thereâs various dialects of elder speech, the first being the classical, the one spoken by elves. another one is nilfgaardian. another one is skellige jargon. another one is brokilonian⌠and there is an entire variant of elder speech used by mer-people and sea creatures, but it is sung, with oneâs musicality, melody, and intonation affecting their accent.
and elder speech is needed for specific activities. if you cast spells? if youâre a human, you need to know classical elder speech, because the human way of casting spells requires incantations and hand gestures.
if that wasnât enough, the concept of languages dying out and intermingling and evolving is also touched on.
for instance, the dwarvish language exists, but is quickly being forgotten as assimilation into human settlements becomes more and more common, and youngsters are reluctant to speak their own language
another example of time and the mixing of groups affecting the evolution of language is in the north case, a mountainous region in which nilfgaardian and northern tongues have been mixing for the past couple of decades due to imperialism and nilfgaardian expansion northward. and owing to this is an eruption of new slang using words from nilfgaardian has entered the local tongue.
(this part is just a headcanon:) thereâs probably a lot of local languages and dialects, from regions the nilfgaardian empire consumed, that are various stages of dying because some places were conquered hundreds of years ago and some were conquered only a few decades ago
thereâs even more obscure languages like the vampire language which is only known to us in a nauseatingly menacing, terror-inducing song and⌠an untranslatable pun.
whatâs more is the curious use of latin words and phrases used as one mught use them today; for which, of course, the out-of-universe explanation is that sapkowski is addicted to using latin, but, in-universe is an ancient language with a similar role latin has in modern society being âtranslatedâ to our latin, just like the common tongue is being âtranslatedâ to polish.
and what i love the most about this is that this isnât knowledge that lives in the background, not touching the lives of our characters. the charactersâ abilities (or inabilities) to speak languages affects them in many ways throughout the story.
geralt speaks elder, but his brokilonian dialect is poor (at least during sword of destiny, in time of contempt he seems to have improved somewhat during his month-long stay)⌠and dandelion had to learn elder speech for his expedition to brokilon, to sing elaine ettariel and speak with the dryads, and you can see that heâs a beginner in the language.
milva gains multiple nicknames in elder from the elves owing to her service to them, not solely out of respect, but because her given name is hard to pronounce for them. and her present nickname, the one she should be proud of, is not of any of her attributes, but a familial titleâsorâca, sister.
another thing about milva is that she is illiterate, but at the same time, bilingual. one does not preclude the other!
cahirâs mother language is nilfgaardian, but speaks the northern common language because of his northern ancestry on his motherâs side. and in times of stress, his mind blanked on northern, as well as when he swore in nilfgaardian.
cahir can understand angoulĂŞmeâs north case slang, as well as âtranslateâ for the rest of the company, but they have probably run into confusion or frustrationââhow did you get that from that?!â
and regisâ language is so obscure, he makes a joke in it to himself and no one else understands, but he still is clearly amused by it. and vampires seemingly also do not speak with their mouths, only using telepathy, so the acquisition of human language must have been a challenge for him. and i wonder how many human languages heâs learned only to later face their extinction. perhaps when he came back from the grave, the human language he had learned was now defunct, or rarely used?

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@humble-althemist Thank you for the delightful tags on the post about Yaevinn and Iorveth, I hope you don't mind me addressing them, but it's really just so interesting and engaging to me!! I was equally taken with Yaevinn and Geralt, but Yaevinn and Iorveth are also an interesting pair, I find, despite the fact that they never actually interact on screen. The subtext, though brief, is there, and itâs so very compelling to me. There was a relationship of some kind there, that much can be said for sure. No matter whether or not one takes it as romantic and/or sexual, I think it has to be accepted that there is at least respect and likely some degree of fondness there. Iorveth isnât the type to mince words when heâs not fond of someone, as can be evidenced in some of his dialogues, but heâs actually quite careful with his word choice about Yaevinn, it would seem. He uses the descriptor âunrealisticâ, yes, but itâs not for Yaevinn himself, and he never attacks Yaevinn directly with his criticism. He says that Yaevinn had beautiful dreams and just reasons, and that those reasons were as unrealistic as they were just. It is the world who has no place for this beautiful dreamer, not Iorveth who cannot accept him. Iorveth is in agreement with him, even, he just thinks that Yaevinn could not have rightly expected to fulfil these dreams of his.
There isnât ever really any more contextualisation of the nature of the relationship that occurred between Yaevinn and Iorveth in the text of the games, just more subtext with which to play. Yaevinn is well-known enough a commander among the Scoiaâtael to be deemed âlegendaryâ in his citation in TW3, but he wasnât a Vrihedd commander, Iorveth was. Additionally, while there are no canon ages given for either of them, it seems likely to me that Yaevinn is the elder of the two; I donât remember if he confirms that he took part in Aelirennâs rebellion, but I seem to have a memory of at least the implication of it when he tells Geralt of Aelirenn in the bank robbery sequence, which would put him at least over two hundred years old, with the specifics beyond that getting a little hazy, while Iorveth has been fighting humans for, I believe depending on the dialogue in TW2, either a century or over a century, so he is over a hundred for certain, and beyond that, the specific detail is unsure. Older and potentially more experienced in command, and yet he would have been Iorvethâs subordinate in the Vrihedd Brigade. Did they work closely at all? Did they know each other prior to this? How did they see each other? Yaevinn before his desperate attack at Vizima, Iorveth before he lost his eye, theyâd be in quite different positions in the era of the Vrihedd Brigade, which is the last point that can be said for sure that they were both present.
 Itâs hard to say with so little evidence to work with, how things were for them. Iâm very partial to queer readings of both Yaevinn and Iorveth, and the potential for a relationship there is interesting, but itâs also very interesting to consider it as impartial or platonic, a political relationship, perhaps commander and advisor. Thereâs so little to be known for sure that one can just run wild with extrapolation.
And, well, with this bit of dialogue that is being examined, thereâs some interesting material to work with for both of their characters. I really really like this point, itâs very compelling to me, because itâs absolutely right, it may be dialogue about Yaevinn but it is also very strong characterisation for Iorveth
And one of my favourite things about Iorveth is that he's a bit of a hypocrite? I say this with the utmost fondness, but there are a few different instances I could look at.
Yaevinn is unrealistic for considering combat and killing to be poetry, and Iorveth considers himself wholly logical and correct to take the very poetic stance that war is prose with no place for beauty.
Or like how he says to Geralt that the reason he's pursuing Roche so fervently is because he's going after the first commanders of the anti-elven special forces units across the north â in his own words, "Of the commanders first appointed to such units, he's the only one still aliveâ, but also in his own words, â"The Temerian Special Forces, created by Foltest to combat the Scoia'tael after the first war with Nilfgaardâ, and "Vernon Roche! Special Forces Commander for the last four years". No matter whether one takes the book timeline or the modified timeline established in TW1 (the Battle of Brenna therefore being placed in 1265), Roche having been Special Forces Commander for the "last four years" would place him as making command rank in 1268 if Iorveth includes the current year in his count, and at the earliest 1267 if Iorveth does not include the current year, which is in both cases places him after or at least during the second war with Nilfgaard, which makes his point of referral very odd unless Roche is not the first commander after all.
Or how âour women are prepared to dieâ when he doesnât want to risk turning back during the escape on the prison barge and risk the lives of the collective for a few, but what leads him to challenge his alliance with Letho and ultimately to capture the prison barge is Geralt referring to his right-hand man; in that moment of challenge, he risks it all for Ciaranâs sake, on Ciaranâs say-so.
Or how he insists Saskia is âdifferentâ, that sheâs special, but she is not only the same as the others, her broad strokes are pretty well exactly the same as the one who came before her â a personally powerful but politically disadvantaged queen who had the Scoiaâtael fight and die for her victory, and when she claimed the valley, she cast them aside. While there is certainly more nuance to each situation, it pretty neatly parallels with what Iorveth describes as having happened with Francesca Findabair and the Vrihedd Brigade when Saskia disparages Iorveth and his Scoiaâtael as murderers and terrorists after theyâre the ones who won the valley for her, fought and died in her name.
Thatâs his idealism speaking, the whole entanglement with Saskia is idealism â the fact that he is responsible for the tales of Saskia the Dragonslayer? He told the whole world of the woman that he loved, whether it was a romantic love or a platonic sort of adoration, and that love raised an army, itâs idealism in action, and itâs a powerful idealism. While it can certainly be said that allying oneself to a dragon is a good idea, that's not the source of Iorveth's attachment, it's evident in the way he speaks of her that it's more than that. It sort of begs the question that if Iorveth can do so much on his own, what could he have done if he had shared in Yaevinnâs dreams? If theyâd been united, rather than apart?
(As an aside, itâs kind of funny to hold them in juxtaposition like this because, like, Iorveth is the one who gets called a terrorist for ultimately having a regimented and orderly combat with another military force, and Yaevinn is commemorated as a âlegendary Scoiaâtael commanderâ rather than a terrorist when heâs the one who basically burnt a city to the ground.)
But nevertheless, Iorvethâs perceived hypocrisy over the notion of idealism is also very interesting as far as his characterisation goes, because the point of the matter is determining what, exactly, is truthful and intentional. He expresses a pretty clear stance on most matters in which he opines, but he must be therefore scrutinised for these stances. As I can see it, the likely possibilities are that he is actually being hypocritical and contradicting himself, that he is lying to others to make a certain impression, or that he is lying to himself.
To apply this to the quandary of Yaevinn and these beautiful dreams, Iorveth might perhaps contradict himself because he wants to decry the perceived lack of realism behind Yaevinnâs reasoning despite being equally fanciful in his endeavours for Saskia. He might also perhaps lie about his stance to make himself seem more eminently practical and capable in front of an ally like Geralt; he isnât chasing a dream, he has plans and strategies and resources, he has the tools for success. He might also state this aloud as though to affirm it to himself â Yaevinn was a dreamer, and had grandiose visions of a better future and all the right reasons behind him, but Yaevinn failed, and Iorveth is too practical and grounded to fall prey to the same fate.He wants to believe this, he needs to believe this, he cannot fail, and so he affirms it to someone else, as though that might make it real.Â
Itâs interesting to take this interpretation and juxtapose it with Yaevinnâs apparent disillusionment in TW1, the ways in which they react when the pressure is on. Yaevinn, who is just so tired of the fighting but pushing on anyway and ensuring that every necessary step is taken, to the point of being curt with his friends and companions, like his rather terse letter to Golan Vivaldi, cuts out the idealism of a free nation of elves or a future in which humans are driven into the sea and settles for simply clawing out some modicum of progress for the remaining generations, some small respect or accommodation or freedom hard-won from the humans. Iorveth, on the contrary, leans in more heavily to this idealism, to the idea that Saskia is their best and greatest hope for freedom in the north, that she will win, that she will make things better, she must, she simply has to, because otherwise Iorveth has staked his hopes on her for nothing. And it's also very interesting to have Geralt kind of mired in the centre of all this, an ally and object of affection for both of them, faced with their bravado and cynicism and idealism, as muted or misguided as it may end up being. Geralt is there, Geralt takes part in the battles, Geralt is asked to share in the beautiful dreams.
There's so much more that one could examine even just relating to this little sample, especially if one traverses adaptations and references multiple canons -- Yaevinn's book characterisation versus his game characterisation, for instance, or what Iorveth in the games borrows from Isengrim as a character and how that influences his structure as a character, the inclusion of other characters, like Toruviel, who is linked to Yaevinn and his long-standing rebellion, or Ciaran, the loyal adjutant at Iorveth's side, and what their interpersonal relationships mean to them in the context of their ideals and their motivations for continuing their battle against the oppressive humans. Something I find really intriguing in the context of this matter is the notion that Yaevinn expresses in TW1 that he did once live among humans for a time, and that also shaped his views of humanity and the rebellion, while Iorveth does not seem to have had that experience of intermingling. This is such a small little passage of dialogue and I really think about it a lot. Thereâs so much that can be extrapolated from so little.
Yes! Exactly! To me the fact that Iorveth gives Yaevinn that nuanced of a description always felt like about as close to praise as he wouldâve been likely to give another Scoiaâtael who had such vastly different views and approaches to the cause of freedom. Itâs easy to see in real life activist/politically active circles how often times the people who want the most similar outcomes can often wind up the most vehemently annoyed by each other if they think theyâre going about the thing wrong. So that level of respect always fascinated me and really made me want to see the reverse, hear Yaevinnâs thoughts on Iorveth.
God, I so want to dig into their history together now in a way thatâs only been vaguely in the back of my mind for ages. Cause youâre right thereâs so much wide open territory for speculation around the few facts we do have. I agree that Yaevinn feels older to me, whether he was being coy about being there for Aelirennâs rebellion because he was there, or because heâs just a little shit who likes egging Geralt on and making him think heâs more mysterious than he actually is (both being readings I just about equally love). But yeah, that then makes his small role in the Vrihedd Brigade very curious. Agh I need to get on my book reread now, although I know it will illuminate little haha
And yess, absolutely. Iorveth is suchh a hypocrite (affectionate). I think thatâs part of why the âsharing dreamsâ line strikes me so much as a double entendre. Because Iorveth is clearly very capable of having lofty dreams, so the fact that he wasnât able to join in Yaevinnâs feels more like a âI wasnât into him quite like he was into me/like he wantedâ or a âwe werenât good for each otherâ kind of thing to me. Which can also be interpreted in a more non-romantic way, too.
But yeah Iorveth being such a clear hypocrite is part of the reason I think he gels so well with Geralt as a character haha
As the center of a story that is constantly and repeatedly about wanting to be neutral and saying heâs neutral and doesnât give a shit, and then whoopsie giving soo much of a shit and winding up taking sides whether he means to or not, Iorveth is not so much a foil as just like⌠Elf Geralt. They are both very passionate yet very stoic, both not at all comfortable with the political scheming side of things, but pretty capable of it when pressed.
Which, as an aside, Iâm realizing now is also a characterization I like to sprinkle into Yaevinn too, when writing geralt/yaevinn stuff. Not quite to their level, but just in the sense that heâs a very old elf whoâs taken very seriously by a lot of his peers, and has worked hard to make it so, so kindling such a bantery/antagonistic friendship with Geralt gives him a chance to get kind of called on things that he normally doesnât? Lets him realize little inconsistencies in his worldview or whatever that no proud Scoiaâtael wouldâve ever called him on or even probably noticed, cause theyâre right there with him. Part of the intellectual tet-Ă -tet that makes their dynamic work so well â Geralt getting a lil bit of a speedrun on some character building shit that happened over the course of the books that he no longer has since losing his memory of those events, having to rethink some shit, but keeping up well enough that heâs able to make Yaevinn see some things from new perspectives too.
But back to Iorveth and Yaevinn, I definitely get the impression that Iorveth is half reassuring himself that heâs being fully logical and practical about this whole thing, when he calls Yaevinnâs failed dreams idealistic. And with their histories, it almost makes me think that perhaps part of why they are the way they are by the time we meet them in the games is because of what happened with the Vrihedd Brigade and Dol Blathanna. Yaevinn believed it could work, and when it didnât it shook his faith in the dream entirely. Made him, at least for now, for the next couple decades maybe (because I imagine with lives on timescales that long, character growth is much more of an ebbing and flowing or circular sort of thing than we usually think of it as, but thatâs a whole other talk lol), into a much more practical and present-focused leader. Meanwhile Iorveth, who at least now looking back thinks Dol Blathanna was never going to work out the way it was promised (and Iâm fairly comfortable believing that he had his doubts even while fighting for it. sometimes the vibe is just off but you stick with it cause fighting alongside your fellow elves is better than doing nothing), made him that much more susceptible to falling for exactly the kind of messaging that didnât take him in before because it didnât take him in before. Because Francescaâs brand of charisma didnât really speak to him maybe, but Saskiaâs does. Or maybe just because the timing is right, and heâs had enough successes lately, made enough human enemies, that heâs starting to think maybe he can do this damn thing.
But agh, youâre right itâs so fun to tug at all the strings of insinuation and possibility and character and theme that all the little crumbs we get for both these characters, across and between various canons, whether carefully picking and choosing between contradictory bits, or explaining contradictions with further lore of our own. An absolute joy, and one that itâs so weirdly rare to find people to gush with about. Like on the one hand I get it, no one should play witcher 1, I have it permanently installed on my computer but thatâs because Iâm an absolute madman with no self respect, but agh the fandom is much poorer for the lack of Yaevinn in it imho. The contrast between him and Iorveth deepens them both in such endlessly delicious and fascinating ways.
Itâs such a very precise and careful wording that it basically has to be intentional, really! There is, at the very least, some baseline respect and esteem there, and itâs very much possible to read more deeply into it. I totally get what you mean about this kind of dissent â itâs very easy to fall into that kind of thinking with similar goals, to just grow frustrated with the fact that the near-alignment being perceived as the other party stubbornly refusing to give up on a few backwards ideas when theyâre so near to being ârightâ. But thatâs not the case here, which is very interesting. Iorveth, despite how irreverent he is, is actually quite respectful. Itâs a shame that we never get the inverse, Yaevinnâs opinion on Iorveth. Because if he wanted so badly for Iorveth to share in his dreams, he must have at least returned the respect that Iorveth has for him. There must have been some degree of closeness for them to have that level of shared confidence.Â
Itâs such a curious relationship, no matter how one looks at it, really, based on the facts weâre given. Yaevinn, likely the elder of the two, being presented as the idealist as opposed to the pragmatist, and being the subordinate rather than the superior. Thereâs a peculiar dynamic there, especially in regard to Iorvethâs specific verbiage, because if this is the state of their relationship, then Iorveth should hold the social power in this dynamic, as it were, being the one who is logical and capable, the eminent commander, and yet he speaks very carefully about Yaevinn, not ever speaking directly down about him, as though Yaevinn has some social power over him. This could be taken as a mark of respect or a mark of fondness. And thereâs so, so many ways that this relationship could be spun, really â commander and advisor, brothers-at-arms, lovers, close friends, and all the nuance that can be packed into these kinds of relationships and other variants. I wish there was more that pertained to them in canon, either in the games or the novels, because itâs delightful to consider the possibilities, but having more guidance could be so enlightening and intriguing!
Iorveth delights me, truly, heâs a liar and a hypocrite and yet at the same time he is so bluntly truthful and forthright, heâs a really compelling character. And youâre right, he clearly has the capability for these kinds of dreams, so there ought to be some kind of deeper meaning in this dialogue. Thereâs some kind of untold history there that heâs not getting into. I really like the options you put forth, I think itâs very interesting to look at things this way, but I would also like to propose a third option, also, making it not a question of âwould notâ (not seeing him that way) or âshould notâ (not functioning well together), but of âcould notâ â because itâs not known for sure to what extent they knew each other outside of the context that they were part of the Vrihedd Brigade, but the canonical fact is that Yaevinn was quite badly wounded during the war, though he would recover from his wounds, and Iorveth was also injured, and was then taken away to be tried for his war crimes as a Vrihedd commander. They would have been swiftly separated by happenstance, whether they knew each other beforehand or not, and itâs possible or even probable that there was at least a period of time where they could not have known that the other was alive, with Yaevinn recovering from serious injury and Iorveth barely escaping his execution. So even if Iorveth agreed with him and wanted to buy into those beautiful dreams that Yaevinn âdesperately wantedâ him to share, they wouldnât have had the chance, being separated in the fallout of the war ending. They could have had plans for after the valley had been won, when the war was over, but being so abruptly separated means that thereâs not much potential for the sharing of anything. It might not have been a choice, it might have been out of their control. And having that as an option makes things all the more complex, whether or not this separation and denial of dreams was a conscious decision or not, what led to that, whether there is regret there or not.
Geralt is also funny like that he is just a silly fellow and I am deeply fond of him. His repeated problem of getting in over his head, he never ever learns from his actions, he just canât help himself. And thereâs definitely some similarity there, you outline it very nicely, you can get some very neat parallels. I do really like the construction of the allies in TW2, each drawing on a part of Geralt and expanding on it to a point of extremism so that they foil each other. Iorveth is very much an embodiment of that kind of passion that draws Geralt out of the safety of neutrality. He is both temptor and tempted, and it puts him in an interesting position as far as the narrative goes. He has to draw Geralt out and into this political mess, but he, too, is being strung along. Geralt is an outside presence to influence him, a counterbalance, because he deals with the direct interior of the social circle embroiled in this political mess, at Saskiaâs side, but by virtue of having Geralt as a companion, heâs also reaching outward, being exposed to what lies outside of his immediate situation.
Youâre right, he also brings in that outside perspective for Yaevinn as someone who isnât bound to the social dynamics practised within the Scoiaâtael, not a superior or a subordinate, just a sympathiser. From the very first encounter, they challenge each other, verbal sparring that works to exercise their philosophy and politics. Geralt, afflicted by amnesia, is met by so many preconceived notions about the Scoiaâtael, these âdamned elvesâ, these ânonhuman little shits who were fed romantic talesâ, and gets to experience through Yaevinn that the Scoiaâtael are more than that, but also knows that they arenât infallible, that theyâre people just like anyone else. And Yaevinn, who has been fighting this prolonged rebellion for so long, who was cast off from humans even when he tried to assimilate, gets to be reminded that humanity is not a blackened mass of unredeemable evil, much like Iorveth is, so taken in by Geralt that his âhatred of the species abated for a momentâ. And thereâs emotional payoff, too, for both of them. Yaevinn who is carefully won over, who progresses from treating him like an outsider, an othered thing, to becoming a dear friend, and remains loyal to the very end, even when it means endangering himself by lingering at Geraltâs side when he ought to be fleeing Vizima. And Geralt who carefully wins him over, upon whom Yaevinn learns he can depend, someone who is there for him, even if they donât see perfectly eye-to-eye on everything, it is not enough to disrupt him. The bank robbery sequence is quite the ultimatum, forcing Geralt to make his choice, and it must be quite something for Yaevinn to be chosen. Despite the stacked odds, despite his troubled history, Geralt chooses to stay by his side, and that wins him over wholly. They also serve as counterbalances to each other, functioning in tandem, each shaping the other.
This is also part of why I think Toruviel is so important when regarding Yaevinn, because, to an extent, she is also there to fulfil this role? She challenges him directly in the novels and argues morality with him, and in the games, sheâs there to sort of foil his style of command â Yaevinn is approaching the Vizima Uprising as sort of a last-ditch effort of sorts, something at which to throw everything he has at all costs because it may be his last chance to make a difference for the future, as compared to Toruviel who is still trying to put her individual men first and look after her unit above the âgreater goodâ and the uncertain fate of future generations. She is there to temper his extremism and make him reconsider his stances and he is there to inspire her to push her limits (though I do not like the angle they pushed in TW1 where Toruviel returns out of love for Geralt and/or Yaevinn, it feels reductive to Toruviel as a character, but thatâs another story). Thatâs another inversion of dynamics, too, because Toruviel was his superior in the past, but she now acts as his subordinate colleague in TW1 â not much below him, but still acting in accordance with his plans and commands. She, too, acts as a counterbalance, and itâs with the combined presence of her and Geralt that Yaevinn is able to function to his best at Vizima.
But I digress, and I definitely agree with what youâre saying. Thereâs definitely a reason to be taking a measure of comfort in that, a sort of self-soothing mechanism in assuring himself that Yaevinn had dreams, but he has plans. Heâs being logical and practical and thorough and heâs going to succeed where Yaevinn failed. That failure must be a bitter one, too, because it essentially should have been a success? He forced Foltest to parlay with him, and Temeria even enters a political alliance with Redania because the Scoiaâtael are too severe a threat to be dealt with alone, the Vizima Uprising should have been a historic victory for the elves. I understand why itâs not, they canât have that kind of massive canon-altering schism depending on which route the player takes and employ it with any degree of effectiveness in the sequel, but it makes things a little more painful to think that this, which should have been a rousing victory, an inspiration for the war-weary elves, something to make them think they have a chance, and instead it is just a city aflame and Yaevinn forced to flee. And Iorveth has to assure himself that the same wonât happen to him, his historic victory wonât be reduced to ashes in a razed city.Â
I think the fallout of the banishment of the Scoiaâtael from Dol Blathanna definitely did affect them in different ways. For both of them, this should have been a major movement. Yaevinn knows first-hand how an uprising can go if it does not have the strength of numbers, the resources, the funding, and during the war they had Nilfgaard at their backs, it was a new chance at victory. And Iorveth taking command rank means that heâs actively involved in the spearheading of this conquest, heâs part of the planning, of the orchestration, working on a grander scale than ever before. But when things go horribly wrong, it must be devastating.
The scene in the medical tent shows it perfectly well, Yaevinn is quite shaken by the events that transpire during the war, and for it to culminate ultimately in Francesca Findabair casting off the Scoiaâtael who died for her, itâd be quite the crushing blow to his idealism. He knows how vital this cause is, and picks it back up even after this devastating setback, but heâs not as hopeful as he once was. Iorveth, too, suffered quite the blow to his idealism, considering how he considers Francesca a âtreacherous witch who sold her soul to the emperorâ â itâs almost a personal grudge, given how he was surrendered as a war criminal, and that makes it easier for him to pick up the reins of idealism once more, to foist all his anger on Francesca herself. And then he found a new queen in whom to place his trust and his hopes, someone to fill the void, so to speak. A new figurehead who can foster his idealism to make up for Francescaâs betrayal.
Thatâs another interesting difference between Yaevinn and Iorveth in their respective games â Yaevinn is spearheading his own rebellion, heâs doing it himself, while Iorveth is technically putting himself in a subordinate position, acting as Saskiaâs lackey, so itâs her cause heâs fighting for, rather than his own â though their ideals may align at least in theory, heâs still placing her in control, using her as a figurehead of sorts, perhaps to draw other eyes away from the Scoiaâtael, but it also takes the onus off of him at least a little. Heâs fighting under her command, just as he once did for Francesca. Itâs not him in charge of everything. Interestingly enough, the elven people still look to him rather than to her, despite his best efforts. But I think itâs a compelling little difference in their machinations â Yaevinn is trying to level the playing field so that he himself might be working on the scale of kings so that he can try to make things better, while Iorveth is not trying to rival the monarchy but rather instate someone else so that they might do this for him. And I think thatâs also part of Iorvethâs confidence. Heâs not doing this alone, heâs serving someone that he believes can do better than he ever could alone, and so heâs bound and determined to do his level best to make things happen.
Thereâs so much to be considered and I really enjoy picking at all these notions, looking through things for what is possible and probable and what is just a flight of fancy, with varied sources and interpretations and readings, itâs just a wealth of possibility. Iâve had an absolutely delightful time talking through this! Itâs really fun to work through it all. Regardless of its objective merit or lack thereof, I adored TW1 as a game and it is actually what got me into this whole franchise in its myriad adaptations and interpretations, and it makes me rather sad that Yaevinn is so rarely mentioned or considered by others! I know hardly anyone played TW1 and heâs a bit character in the novels but heâs so interesting to me! Especially when exploring this kind of juxtaposition. Examining him and Iorveth together makes them both all the more interesting and rich as characters, I find!
@humble-althemist Thank you for the delightful tags on the post about Yaevinn and Iorveth, I hope you don't mind me addressing them, but it's really just so interesting and engaging to me!! I was equally taken with Yaevinn and Geralt, but Yaevinn and Iorveth are also an interesting pair, I find, despite the fact that they never actually interact on screen. The subtext, though brief, is there, and itâs so very compelling to me. There was a relationship of some kind there, that much can be said for sure. No matter whether or not one takes it as romantic and/or sexual, I think it has to be accepted that there is at least respect and likely some degree of fondness there. Iorveth isnât the type to mince words when heâs not fond of someone, as can be evidenced in some of his dialogues, but heâs actually quite careful with his word choice about Yaevinn, it would seem. He uses the descriptor âunrealisticâ, yes, but itâs not for Yaevinn himself, and he never attacks Yaevinn directly with his criticism. He says that Yaevinn had beautiful dreams and just reasons, and that those reasons were as unrealistic as they were just. It is the world who has no place for this beautiful dreamer, not Iorveth who cannot accept him. Iorveth is in agreement with him, even, he just thinks that Yaevinn could not have rightly expected to fulfil these dreams of his.
There isnât ever really any more contextualisation of the nature of the relationship that occurred between Yaevinn and Iorveth in the text of the games, just more subtext with which to play. Yaevinn is well-known enough a commander among the Scoiaâtael to be deemed âlegendaryâ in his citation in TW3, but he wasnât a Vrihedd commander, Iorveth was. Additionally, while there are no canon ages given for either of them, it seems likely to me that Yaevinn is the elder of the two; I donât remember if he confirms that he took part in Aelirennâs rebellion, but I seem to have a memory of at least the implication of it when he tells Geralt of Aelirenn in the bank robbery sequence, which would put him at least over two hundred years old, with the specifics beyond that getting a little hazy, while Iorveth has been fighting humans for, I believe depending on the dialogue in TW2, either a century or over a century, so he is over a hundred for certain, and beyond that, the specific detail is unsure. Older and potentially more experienced in command, and yet he would have been Iorvethâs subordinate in the Vrihedd Brigade. Did they work closely at all? Did they know each other prior to this? How did they see each other? Yaevinn before his desperate attack at Vizima, Iorveth before he lost his eye, theyâd be in quite different positions in the era of the Vrihedd Brigade, which is the last point that can be said for sure that they were both present.
 Itâs hard to say with so little evidence to work with, how things were for them. Iâm very partial to queer readings of both Yaevinn and Iorveth, and the potential for a relationship there is interesting, but itâs also very interesting to consider it as impartial or platonic, a political relationship, perhaps commander and advisor. Thereâs so little to be known for sure that one can just run wild with extrapolation.
And, well, with this bit of dialogue that is being examined, thereâs some interesting material to work with for both of their characters. I really really like this point, itâs very compelling to me, because itâs absolutely right, it may be dialogue about Yaevinn but it is also very strong characterisation for Iorveth
And one of my favourite things about Iorveth is that he's a bit of a hypocrite? I say this with the utmost fondness, but there are a few different instances I could look at.
Yaevinn is unrealistic for considering combat and killing to be poetry, and Iorveth considers himself wholly logical and correct to take the very poetic stance that war is prose with no place for beauty.
Or like how he says to Geralt that the reason he's pursuing Roche so fervently is because he's going after the first commanders of the anti-elven special forces units across the north â in his own words, "Of the commanders first appointed to such units, he's the only one still aliveâ, but also in his own words, â"The Temerian Special Forces, created by Foltest to combat the Scoia'tael after the first war with Nilfgaardâ, and "Vernon Roche! Special Forces Commander for the last four years". No matter whether one takes the book timeline or the modified timeline established in TW1 (the Battle of Brenna therefore being placed in 1265), Roche having been Special Forces Commander for the "last four years" would place him as making command rank in 1268 if Iorveth includes the current year in his count, and at the earliest 1267 if Iorveth does not include the current year, which is in both cases places him after or at least during the second war with Nilfgaard, which makes his point of referral very odd unless Roche is not the first commander after all.
Or how âour women are prepared to dieâ when he doesnât want to risk turning back during the escape on the prison barge and risk the lives of the collective for a few, but what leads him to challenge his alliance with Letho and ultimately to capture the prison barge is Geralt referring to his right-hand man; in that moment of challenge, he risks it all for Ciaranâs sake, on Ciaranâs say-so.
Or how he insists Saskia is âdifferentâ, that sheâs special, but she is not only the same as the others, her broad strokes are pretty well exactly the same as the one who came before her â a personally powerful but politically disadvantaged queen who had the Scoiaâtael fight and die for her victory, and when she claimed the valley, she cast them aside. While there is certainly more nuance to each situation, it pretty neatly parallels with what Iorveth describes as having happened with Francesca Findabair and the Vrihedd Brigade when Saskia disparages Iorveth and his Scoiaâtael as murderers and terrorists after theyâre the ones who won the valley for her, fought and died in her name.
Thatâs his idealism speaking, the whole entanglement with Saskia is idealism â the fact that he is responsible for the tales of Saskia the Dragonslayer? He told the whole world of the woman that he loved, whether it was a romantic love or a platonic sort of adoration, and that love raised an army, itâs idealism in action, and itâs a powerful idealism. While it can certainly be said that allying oneself to a dragon is a good idea, that's not the source of Iorveth's attachment, it's evident in the way he speaks of her that it's more than that. It sort of begs the question that if Iorveth can do so much on his own, what could he have done if he had shared in Yaevinnâs dreams? If theyâd been united, rather than apart?
(As an aside, itâs kind of funny to hold them in juxtaposition like this because, like, Iorveth is the one who gets called a terrorist for ultimately having a regimented and orderly combat with another military force, and Yaevinn is commemorated as a âlegendary Scoiaâtael commanderâ rather than a terrorist when heâs the one who basically burnt a city to the ground.)
But nevertheless, Iorvethâs perceived hypocrisy over the notion of idealism is also very interesting as far as his characterisation goes, because the point of the matter is determining what, exactly, is truthful and intentional. He expresses a pretty clear stance on most matters in which he opines, but he must be therefore scrutinised for these stances. As I can see it, the likely possibilities are that he is actually being hypocritical and contradicting himself, that he is lying to others to make a certain impression, or that he is lying to himself.
To apply this to the quandary of Yaevinn and these beautiful dreams, Iorveth might perhaps contradict himself because he wants to decry the perceived lack of realism behind Yaevinnâs reasoning despite being equally fanciful in his endeavours for Saskia. He might also perhaps lie about his stance to make himself seem more eminently practical and capable in front of an ally like Geralt; he isnât chasing a dream, he has plans and strategies and resources, he has the tools for success. He might also state this aloud as though to affirm it to himself â Yaevinn was a dreamer, and had grandiose visions of a better future and all the right reasons behind him, but Yaevinn failed, and Iorveth is too practical and grounded to fall prey to the same fate.He wants to believe this, he needs to believe this, he cannot fail, and so he affirms it to someone else, as though that might make it real.Â
Itâs interesting to take this interpretation and juxtapose it with Yaevinnâs apparent disillusionment in TW1, the ways in which they react when the pressure is on. Yaevinn, who is just so tired of the fighting but pushing on anyway and ensuring that every necessary step is taken, to the point of being curt with his friends and companions, like his rather terse letter to Golan Vivaldi, cuts out the idealism of a free nation of elves or a future in which humans are driven into the sea and settles for simply clawing out some modicum of progress for the remaining generations, some small respect or accommodation or freedom hard-won from the humans. Iorveth, on the contrary, leans in more heavily to this idealism, to the idea that Saskia is their best and greatest hope for freedom in the north, that she will win, that she will make things better, she must, she simply has to, because otherwise Iorveth has staked his hopes on her for nothing. And it's also very interesting to have Geralt kind of mired in the centre of all this, an ally and object of affection for both of them, faced with their bravado and cynicism and idealism, as muted or misguided as it may end up being. Geralt is there, Geralt takes part in the battles, Geralt is asked to share in the beautiful dreams.
There's so much more that one could examine even just relating to this little sample, especially if one traverses adaptations and references multiple canons -- Yaevinn's book characterisation versus his game characterisation, for instance, or what Iorveth in the games borrows from Isengrim as a character and how that influences his structure as a character, the inclusion of other characters, like Toruviel, who is linked to Yaevinn and his long-standing rebellion, or Ciaran, the loyal adjutant at Iorveth's side, and what their interpersonal relationships mean to them in the context of their ideals and their motivations for continuing their battle against the oppressive humans. Something I find really intriguing in the context of this matter is the notion that Yaevinn expresses in TW1 that he did once live among humans for a time, and that also shaped his views of humanity and the rebellion, while Iorveth does not seem to have had that experience of intermingling. This is such a small little passage of dialogue and I really think about it a lot. Thereâs so much that can be extrapolated from so little.
Sometimes I am reminded of the fact that Iorveth just like canonically has very pretty eyes (or very pretty eye đ).
In TW2, none of the men have eyelashes while the women do. As examples for the men, we have Geralt himself, Letho, Dandelion, and Roche:
And as examples for the women, Triss, Saskia, Sheala/SĂle, Philippa, and Mottle.
However, Iorveth does have eyelashes on his in-game model:
This is unique to him, not an elven trait, because as we can see on Cedric, Ciaran, and Ele'yas, they don't have eyelashes like Iorveth does:
And it's not a fluke or graphical glitch on Iorveth, either, he consistently has them throughout the game:
He's just really pretty like that.
TW eyestrain for the second picture because the colours might be too bright for someone! i miss iorveth my good friend iorveth ....
I have a lot of thoughts about Yaevinn in general but I especially like the association with beggartick blossoms, something that is at best loosely supported by the actual source text of the game, but compels me anyhow.
Beggartick blossoms, though considered a "common" sort of plant, and though they are later reworked into a much more commonly occurring plant, as of the first Witcher game, they were supposed to be a relatively rare aqueous plant, and the particular variety that grew plentifully in the swamp forest outside Vizima happened to grow on land. These plants are valuable because they are used in the production of fisstech; the blossoms are both poisonous and hallucinogenic, and lend these properties to the drug. However, just as refined fisstech can be used as anaesthetic, the unrefined blossoms can be used as an analgesic in small doses in order to treat pain.
Yaevinn is not a highborn elf or an Aen Saevherne, his status as a "legendary Scoia'tael commander" as stated in the bestiary entry for Sylvans in TW3 is not yet secured, and he is just one among the Scoia'tael who have made camp in the swamp forest. This becomes especially marked if one considers the extratextual context that his in-game character is an amalgamation of the three Scoia'tael commandos that were originally intended to appear in the game before being combined in development, and his design is the standard armour worn by all male elven warriors in-game as opposed to something unique; he is distinguished from the default model design only by his hair and the details of the face. He is, by his trade and his nature, a warrior, an archer by the novel text and a swordsman by the game text. He was thorough in his violence, but not senseless; Iorveth, who knew him, described him as having "beautiful dreams", of seeing combat and killing as "poetry". He remained ideologically faithful even after multiple losses, continuing the combat and killing for the sake of his people and his desire to create a better life for them; or perhaps a better way to look at it is not that he remained faithful but that he returned to his ideology every time, that after each disillusionment, he was restored. After all his losses, he still hoped to secure a better future for his people.
Of common stock, of a particular variety. Deadly, associated with visions or dreams, used for restoration -- in the form of medicine or revolution.
There can be an additional metaphorical reading in the commercialisation of the beggartick blossoms in association with Yaevinn's cynicism, his descent from his "beautiful dreams" into the cruel reality of the rebellion, just as these blossoms which were once offerings for vodyanoi divinities now being gathered and sold as drug components.
Another, less metaphorical association that can be made between Yaevinn and the beggartick blossoms is in regard to an optional line of dialogue from Gramps, the old man whom Geralt can escort to the shrine of Melitele upon arriving in the Swamp Forest. He gives an alternate recipe for perfume, which is a craftable item in The Witcher and has an alchemical formula that the player can create. This alternate recipe entails grinding beggartick blossoms and beast fangs in alcohol to create perfume. According to the game's alchemy system, this should not be possible as the proposed ingredients do not have the required alchemical components to create the craftable item Perfume; it can be posited that this is perhaps a simplified or otherwise popular recipe as opposed to a proper alchemical formula. This particular recipe is remarkable to me in the fact that Yaevinn is nearly ideally situated to fulfil it.
Yaevinn does not spend his time at the Scoia'tael encampment; he can instead be found at the druids' grove. Wolves nearby provide a source of beast fangs. The beggartick grows plentifully throughout the swamp, and alcohol can be procured through trade or theft, as he has contact with the druids and the encampment is situated near to the bricklayers' village. The beast fangs would serve no practical use, and the beggartick is plentiful enough that a blossom could be taken at no cost to the unit, therefore it is possible that Yaevinn could create this perfume himself without drawing unduly on resources for the sake of vanity. He's quite likely to possess a bit of a vain streak; while some aesthetic choices could either be considered signs of this vanity or simply be put down to character design -- the distinctive loose hair despite the impracticality, or the very thin brows in a different colour from his hair, for instance -- Geralt will note in his journal that Yaevinn comes across as "conceited" when they first meet. He's very proud and that pride likely extends to cosmetic matters. While a rebel living in a swamp forest cannot be draped in finery, it's a small luxury that he can afford.
I find that it also adds a new layer to his interactions with Geralt. The player's actions affect the extent to which Geralt and Yaevinn will interact, but the initial meeting is inevitable and they find themselves quickly reaching mutual respect, regardless of how things proceed from there. But in this first game, Geralt is amnesic and has very little idea of who he is and who is important to him; and yet he still finds himself drawn to a proud figure, slender and dark-haired, with a stern countenance and a sharp and clever tongue, scented of floral perfume.

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I just think they also deserved that reunion hug in tw3
Every lady must have her attendants.
Sorry I'm late, I got added to the Wild Hunt last night and ran and reveled with them for what felt like 100 years plus a day until I landed the killing blow on a stag with bronze antlers then suddenly woke in my bed, willow leaves in my hair, a nameless song echoing in my ears, and my hands still bloody, so yeah, totally missed my alarm and stuff.
geralt at the beginning of witcher 1 making up elaborate reasons for not wanting to sleep with triss
Based on the post I made a while ago:
I feel like Regis is just silly fella. Also higher vampires love shiny things like their lesser cousins and you can fascinate a higher vampire with a piece of jewelry
(I chose yarrow (common yarrow) beacause It grows everywhere here and in Polish the name is krwawnik and it relates to blood (krew- blood) haha funny.)
âwhat does geralt get from that friendshipâŚâ
another post examining the weight of geralt and dandelionâs friendship⌠because i donât think people recognize how painful and debilitating loneliness can become.
the witcher as a deconstruction of the genre takes fantasy tropes to their most logical endsâit asks us to consider what The Lone Swordsman feels, looks into the humanity in a Cold-Blooded Killer. and it turns out heâs not cold-blooded at all.
that despite some superhuman abilities, he laments and worries and curses himself, just like any other worker of any other profession. just as the farmer is scorched by the sun, the washerwomanâs back aches, and the scholar goes half-blind studying, a witcher deals with all of the pains and annoyances and dangers of his job in a mundanely human way.
but the farmer, the washerwoman, and the scholar have something the witcher does not haveâtheyâll always be seen as human and part of their society. at the end of the day after enduring all of their labor, they have their wife to caress, festivities to attend, and taverns to frequent. but for a witcher? after the killing is over, what does he have? no one and nothing. not even a thank you. he is met with fear and hatred everywhere he goes, baseless bigotry and dislike.
I did my job. I quickly learned how. Iâd ride up to village enclosures or town pickets and wait. If they spat, cursed and threw stones, I rode away. If someone came out to give me a commission, Iâd carry it out.
so he faces not just loneliness, but being deliberately ostracized and cast out from society. geralt canât even find a polite word in most settlements, much less a friend.
â(âŚ) Tell me, where should I go? And for what? At least here some people have gathered with whom I have something to talk about. People who donât break off their conversations when I approach. People who, though they may not like me, say it to my face, and donât throw stones from behind a fence. (âŚ)â
this kind of loneliness is not a mere inconvenience. itâs completely altering to your self-perception and ability to see the positive in the world.
each day is not lived, but endured.
day in, and day outâforced to the most difficult and lowest labor in order to survive, and knowing that were you to die, no one would search for your body, few would miss you, hell, they might even spit âgood riddanceâ.
in this situation, to find a friend, is not only friendship, but a rescue.
without dandelion, geralt may have drownedâdrowned in solitude, amidst a sea of strangeness.
â(âŚ) And Iâm alone, completely alone, endlessly alone among the strange and hostile elements. Solitude amid a sea of strangeness. Donât you dream of that?â
No, I donât, he thought. I have it every day.
because dandelion is not only a bright soul, characteristic rippling laughter and the strum of a lute, but someone who will intently listen to geralt, someone who mutually enjoys his company.
â(âŚ) you almost jumped out of your pants with joy to have a companion. Until then, you only had your horse for company.â
someone who doesnât see him as strange and at the fringes of society at all, but as an utterly normal man.
and doesnât impose demeaning, sappy sympathy onto him, but sobering and realistic âquit your bullshitâ which ridicules the very thought that he should internalize societal hatred.
Do you know what your problem is, Geralt? You think youâre different. (âŚ) [You donât understand that] for people who think clear-headedly youâre the most normal man under the sun, and they all wish that everybody was so normal. What of it that you have quicker reflexes than most and vertical pupils in sunlight? That you can see in the dark like a cat? That you know a few spells? Big deal.
dandelion isnât âwillingâ to accept geralt for himselfâhe already has accepted him. and to him, itâs no difficulty, itâs nothing worth discussing, because he sees no abnormality and no strangeness in him.
while others âprefer the company of lepers to witchers,â dandelion has already offered geralt to share his room and board. not out of sympathetic pity, not out of fetishizing curiosity. because⌠theyâre friends.
and what else does this friendship save him from?
not only from others, but from himself.
worse than enduring othersâ apathy and hatred is oneâs own thoughtsâthe darkness and negativity which builds from witnessing and experiencing such behavior.
dandelionâs ability to counter and dispel geraltâs pessimism and self-flagellating tendenciesâagain, not out of pity, but out of friendshipâis undeniably invaluable. someone to rescue you from your darkest thoughts, when you begin to spiral.
and in this darkness, all you can do is cry. you cry, beg for someone to help you, pleaseâ
Help! Why doesn't anyone help me? Alone, weak, helpless â I can't move, can't force a sound from my constricted throat. Why does no one come to help me? I'm terrified!
to be alone, the saga reminds us, is worse than a death sentence. to be alone is to âperish; stabbed, beaten or kicked to death, defiled, like a toy passed from hand to hand.â to be alone is to suffer, and to be with someone is to save them from that suffering.
'(âŚ) I wouldn't like anything bad to happen to you. I like you too much, owe you too much-'
'You've said that already. What do you owe me, Yennefer?'
The sorceress turned her head away, did not say anything for a while.
'You travelled with him,' she said finally. 'Thanks to you he was not alone. You were a friend to him. You were with him.'
it is true that geralt has saved dandelion countless times, helped him, gotten him out of some scrape⌠but to ask what did geralt get in return? are you kidding me?
did you ever consider that it is dandelion who saved geralt?
by being with him. by being by his side. by being his friend.
indeed, dandelion has rescued geralt, countless times, from the yawning jaws of endless loneliness. heâs helped him, chased away the danger of geraltâs own rumination. and heâs gotten him out of scrapes, his own insecurities and bitter helplessness.
so what does dandelion give geralt? what does geralt get from their friendship?
an amusing question. what one gets from friendship is the friendship itself. and that is more than enough.

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I think quite often of the optional little dialogue tree that one can get about Yaevinn in TW2 with an imported save if one sides with Iorveth, and particularly of just how Iorveth describes Yaevinn
The dialogue prompt "I once knew another Scoia'tael - Yaevinn." will lead to the following exchange:
GERALT: I once met another Scoia'tael leader.
IORVETH: Yaevinn. I knew him. He had beautiful dreams and desperately wanted me to share them. Asked the same of you, I heard.
GERALT: You know a lot about me.
IORVETH: I try to know as much as I can - about everyone.
They'll elaborate a little further in this dialogue about how they both agree with Yaevinn's reasons and the fact that Yaevinn "saw combat and killing as poetry" which Iorveth deems unrealistic because "war is prose, with no place for beauty" (how poetic).
But the interesting part to me is the statement that Yaevinn had "beautiful dreams" and how he was this grand idealist, because this seems to be in contradiction with Yaevinn's characterisation. In his novel appearance, he argues against Toruviel's idealism as he proposes shooting the unarmed messenger. In TW1, Geralt refers to him in his journal as being "disillusioned", as well as being "a cynic and a pragmatist", neither of which seem to hold with Iorveth's account. While this can be credited to the fact that it's possible that Iorveth's past-tense statement of "I knew him" means that he hasn't seen Yaevinn in some time rather than, or at least in addition to, the implied death. He has perhaps not seen him since the Second Northern War, where they were both in the Vrihedd brigade, and Yaevinn could have grown more cynical since the Scoia'tael were betrayed by Dol Blathanna, his earliest characterisation is that of the novel canon, and he does not present a particular idealism that would reflect the notion that he is a dreamer.
It can be taken as a choice of characterisation, because for all that Yaevinn is disillusioned, he does have his hopes and desires for the future and his plans at Vizima, just as Iorveth has his hopes for Saskia and Vergen. He has these dreams, even if he tenders them close to his chest and puts the practical aspects first before he allows himself to have this hope. And I think that is a really interesting interpretation, to have this juxtaposition, that he can be both disillusioned and a dreamer, and that he chose a scant few, Iorveth, and then Geralt, to share in those precious dreams.
The notion of Yaevinn having these "beautiful dreams" is also very pertinent to his TW1 characterisation, I think, because there are optional dialogues in which Yaevinn tells the accounts of how he once lived among humans and believed in assimilation, that the humans would accept the elves if given enough time, only to be persecuted and harassed at length until he finally accepted that there was no place for him there, that there could be no assimilation, only annihilation. And even though he knows it is a hopeless fight, he still proceeds onward. He knows his people are dying, and he knows that if they do not act quickly, they will be well and truly doomed to extinction, but he is still trying to fight. That is, in and of itself, an expression of a dream for a better future, even if he thinks it hopeless, or, as Iorveth criticises, unrealistic.
Serious character analysis aside, I think that the absolute funniest interpretation of this dialogue is that it is not to be taken literally about Yaevinn's idealism or lack thereof, but rather as a euphemism -- taking "beautiful dreams" as a euphemism for queer romantic interest; hence "he had beautiful dreams and desperately wanted me to share them" is something like "he likes men and asked me to be his lover", "I hear he asked the same of you" thenceforth meaning something like "were you also his lover/do you also like men" (and the response "you know a lot about me" therefore indicating that he is correct in his judgement). There's like a whole rebellion going on but Iorveth is just checking out his options, y'know.
I found this redraw I did back in January and thought it was funny so here it is
When you've finally captured your fated enemy but he looks a little too pleased to be tied up in front of you