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okay. this is a doozy. im not gonna link the actual post (which was linked in the ask) bc I don't want to possibly be blamed for any potential hate that could get sent, but here's a screenshot.

so the implication here is that you have trans men going from believing that being trans is a medical disorder, to believing that trans men face unique oppression, to being transmisogynistic, to believing that misogyny is the basis of all oppression and only sex is real, to detransitioning to become a full TERF.

now, I can see some logic here: the fear is that focus on transandrophobia (which is believed to entail "transfems oppress us") will lead to an "AMAB vs AFAB" view, which in turn leads to bio-essentialism and "penis bad vagina good". Which is a real thing, viewing issues as "AMAB vs AFAB" IS a TERF talking point that should be called out as such when it is seen. 

But my problem with that is

 1. The dominant idea in the transandrophobia discussion is that transfems do not oppress us, do not have power over us, are not the main problem, and that solidarity with transfems is mandatory for trans liberation. While some people may fall into AMAB vs AFAB rhetoric, in my opinion that comes from a lack of understanding in transandrophobia and transmisogyny, and is not the prevailing opinion of most "TMRAs".

 2. This "pipeline" assumes that transmeds are where most "TMRAs" are coming from, and I... don't think that's true? Transmedicalism seems to be pretty universally rejected by everyone involved in the discussion. Many of us are genderqueer and nonbinary ourselves, many of us have unconventional transition goals, things that transmeds are opposed to. Transmeds are a group that is largely transmasc and discuss transness, yes, but I think we're just being grouped together because we are both "harmful transmasc groups". I don't think there's an actual ideological connection.

 3. Does this pipeline... exist? Like, we know the exclus to TERF pipeline exists, we've seen it in action or heard TERFs and ex-TERFs say it exists. But in terms of transmascs going from talking about transandrophobia to detransitioning to be TERFs, I have neither seen nor heard of that, and I question if this discussion has even been big enough for long enough for a substantial amount of detransitioned TERFs to have come from it?

people have argued for years that asexuals don't belong in the lgbt+ community because they're less oppressed, and push back against that idea is framed as aggression or outright homophobia.

people who other m-specs from the community or even are just openly bigoted towards them cite things like "passing privilege" to prove that they have it better, that they're lesser within the community

panphobes paint pan people as biphobes and biphobes paint bi people as transphobes while m-spec people are pitted against each other by people who hate them as a whole

transmeds and truscum argue that people who don't transition aren't Really trans, they create images of hypersexualized stereotypically feminine people and argue that all tucutes are read as (and really Are) cis women and don't have to face real discrimination because of it

and they all take notes from terfs who've perfected the art of painting marginalized groups as privileged invaders and aggressors

over and over and over again intracommunity violence is bred, spread, and justified with the insistence that the group being spoken of is actually privileged and therefore Deserves it. silencing, othering, exclusion, and sometimes outright violence and harassment are justified on the basis of those people being painted as privileged invaders who either don't belong at all or who exist as lessers who should sit down, shut up, and take what people give them.

and the fact that the insistence that trans men be treated as Equals within their Own Communities is presented as Violence on their part is as absurd as it always is frankly. the fact that trans men have to Openly Testify themselves as lesser in order to be taken in good faith At All is fucked up.

and it's two parts really. the first is that as a community we don't treat all members this way. if you believe that gay men are a valuable part of the community then you don't argue that they're lesser than lesbians because they don't face the same kind of misogyny. you accept them as Different but Valuable parts of the community. you listen to them when they talk about their experiences. you don't even Consider if they're lesser, it doesn't cross your mind. just like people who aren't aphobic don't wonder if aspec on the whole are less oppressed before they boost the voices of aro/aces.

the second is that for Years I've seen and been actively Pressed to "admit" that trans men Baseline face less violence than trans women, when statistically that just isn't true. trans men often aren't reported on to the same extent that trans women are because of a lack of visibility and misreporting as cis women, but when they are the statistics are Comparable. and it just makes me wonder Why.

No. You're right and you should say it.

I was going to make a post about this soon but too many white women (and white trans folks who aren't trans masc) are WAAAYYY too fucking comfortable sharing and spreading the belief that masc folks are inherently violent and aggressive.

I've talked about it before here but queer POC are left out of conversations way too many times. And a perfect example of that is when white trans folks don't bring up the fact that calling trans men and trans mascs violent, is inherently racist. And the idea that once a trans masc person transitions to present more masculine, they'll get more aggressive, is straight up racist and effects trans masc people of color WAY more than it EVER would white trans mascs.

Too many white trans masc folks AREN'T pointing that out and too many white women, especially CIS white women, are perpetuating that belief. I'm gonna need white trans mascs to step up and start calling that shit out when they see it and white non trans masc folks to shut up and sit down for once. Whether they be a white transfem, unaligned, etc. White privilege doesn't cease to exist just because you're trans. You're white first before anything. Yes, even before your trans identity despite that most likely being something you prioritize personally, but in society and systematically, THAT. COMES. FIRST.

Racism is inherently linked to transphobia and trans folks of color have to worry about two forms of oppression that often come hand to hand. Not only that, but they're deeply ingrained in our society and run deep in about every system out there. And as I've said before, racism can kill. Transphobia can kill. And I've talked about here about how trans people of color are hurt systematically by both racism and transphobia simultaneously.

I can only speak on the fact that Black men are inherently seen as hypermasculine and as threats to and by society, and both beliefs are often forced on us and highly perpetuated by cis white women. They are the ones who push the frail white woman narrative and that Black men are their main oppressors who are inherently out to get them. It's a shroud for them to hide behind in order to protect them from criticism whenever their racism is called out front and center.

It's about time that folks start recognizing that the trans masc label doesn't equal white and to stop equating it as such. Trans mascs of color are here. Listen to us. Include us in queer conversations, especially trans masc ones, and ones centered around racism. We're almost never talked about or considered and that HAS to change or else the only progress that will be made for the trans masc community is going to be progress that will mostly and only, ultimately support/benefit the white members of the community in the long run.

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