Referrals Are A Pain In The Foot...
ORTHO:Â âHas he been seen by a Tissue Viability Nurse?â
âNo. We figured since this is likely osteomyelitis, he should be referred to Ortho directly.â
âWell we need them to see it first and then refer to us.â
âOkay.â
TVN:Â âItâs probably osteomyelitis. Please order an MRI to confirm and then refer back to Ortho.â
ORTHO:Â âOh, you didnât mention he has diabetes. Are his BMs stable?â
âThey were fluctuating between 17 and 32 when he was first admitted, but he was reviewed by the Diabetic Specialty Nurse and theyâre now under control.â
âOkay thatâs good. But since itâs related to his diabetes, heâs not suitable for Orthopaedics anymore. You need to refer him to the Surgical Reg.â
SURGERY:Â âSorry I only take referrals for general surgery. You need to refer him specifically to the Vascular surgeons.â
VASCULAR:Â âHave you sent a written referral?â
âWell I tried but they said I needed to call you first to let you know we need to refer somebody to you or else you wonât know to check the referrals box.â
âOkay, do the referral and weâll come and see him.â
âThank you so much.â
WARD CLERK:Â âOh good youâre back from lunch. I have a message for you. The Vascular Registrar called about your patient- he wonât see him until you get the MRI and confirm that itâs osteomyelitis.â
ââŚâŚâŚ.â
RADIOLOGY:Â âHi would it be possible to get this MRI Foot done some time today to confirm or rule out osteomyelitis?â
âHas he been seen by Orthopaedics or the Vascular team to confirm that itâs likely osteomyelitis?â
âOrtho says itâs not their problem since itâs related to his diabetes and Vascular wonât do anything until we get the MRI.â
âIs he unwell?â
âWell⌠weâve had to do an MCA and DoLS on him because heâs delirious from the sepsis which we suspect is from osteomyelitis due to his diabetic foot ulcer.â
âOkay. Weâll try and get it done today.â
MRI FOOT WAS NOT DONE UNTIL TWO DAYS LATER WHEN PATIENT WAS NO LONGER DELIRIOUS AS PATIENT REPEATEDLY REFUSED TO BE TAKEN DOWNSTAIRS FOR MRI SCAN.Â
ENDO:Â âHe has an infected diabetic foot ulcer. The MRI showed it wasnât osteomyelitis but we still think the infection might have caused his sepsis. Weâve investigated other possible causes and havenât found any. He is no longer septic and has full capacity again.â
âAre his respiratory symptoms under control?â
âHe never had any.â
âSo whatâs he doing on the Respiratory ward?â
âI donât know. I think maybe he coughed once in A&E. Would you be able to come and review his foot and suggest further management?â
âHas he been seen by the Diabetic Specialty Nurse?â
âYes.â
âTissue Viability Nurse?â
âYes.â
âHas he been seen by Orthopaedics or Vascular?â
âNo they both said heâs not suitable for them.â
âOkay. Well since heâs better and his BMs are under control, we donât really need to see him anymore. Just refer him to the Diabetic Foot team and theyâll discuss him at the MDT.â
Am now the Orthopod on the other side of that initial conversation lol. And if a Resp F1 called me now, the conversation would go pretty much exactly the same đđ
The policy in hospitals Iâve worked in is that Osteomyelitis goes to the medics for abx- usually theyâll get IVs in hospital so you can check theyâre responding/ are no longer septic, then carry on for however long it takes until you can sort out a PICC line and send them home for ongoing IV abx in the community till theyâve had 6 weeks, then 4-6 weeks further of PO.
Surgeons only get involved if something needs debriding or draining. If the foot is attached to a diabetic, Vascular. If not, Ortho.
Iâve been told by quite a few Medics over the years that since Surgeons are doctors too, we should be able to manage medical problems in our patients. Fair. But the other side of that is that if they only have medical problems, why are they under Surgery in the first place? The most common argument I hear back as an Orthopod is with regards to conservatively managed fractures which need physio and pain control so often end up under Medics.
Well if the management of the pain isnât surgical fixation, then they need medicine? Surgeons are going to give them Paracetamol, Morphine, Codeine, Gabapentin, Diazepam and Diclofenac. No laxative or PPI.
I promise you Betty with her L4 fragility fracture and no peripheral neurological symptoms is going to do better and get home much faster under Medics.
It seemed really unfair to me as a Medical F1 that surgery wouldnât take seemingly âobviousâ surgical problems, but now I realise every surgical bed that is taken by a patient who just needs medical management is a patient waiting longer at home or in hospital for actual surgery.
I cannot tell you the number of times I have had patients cry to me about how much pain they are in when Iâve had to call and cancel them the night before their scheduled surgery because Iâve been told there are no beds to bring them into, we already have 5 DTAs in ED and that patient is at home âstableâ. Or because we have too many major traumas or NoFs, the Trauma List is full⌠so the trimalleolar ankle fracture is going to have to roll for the 6th day in a row⌠can I go tell her she can eat?














