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antis embrace the narrative that all minors are helpless and stupid and if you as a proshipper exclude minors then you are contributing to their cause aswell.

also who the fuck have i even mistreated? if i see someone i don't like, i just.. quietly block them. i don't go into their dms telling them to off themself or whatever even if i think they're gross.

you contribute to systemic oppression, therefore you mistreat others. mistreatment doesnt start at harassment.

also lmaoo i love how youve decided consang = abuse. which is glaringly not true. but you know, go consult data and pull a 13/50, ignoring every nuance and contributing cause instead of listening to consang people and their experiences. that is, if there even is some statistic stating that consang = abuse.

but by that logic all lesbian relationships are abusive and all gay men are child molesters because im sure there is some skewed data out there saying so that conservatives love to parrot.

btw statistics shouldnt ever impede anyones individual freedom. the statistics state that theres a high percentage of marriages that end in divorce. people are still free to get married lol.

and the whole "this is promoting harmful things and they are groomers" is just recycled antishipper talking points word for word.

it literally doesnt matter whether you think irl incest is ok or not, its really not that fucking hard to support other individuals right to freedom. people are allowed to do whatever they want as long as it isnt harming non consenting people. no matter how gross you find it you cant tell someone they cant do something just cuz youre disgusted .

btw the reason why incest is often interpreted as harmful is because it usually has to do with a family member, who is neither a map nor a consang, molesting their younger relatives.

the statistics, which i personally do not like to cite as they are usually used to further oppress people, clearly state that. maps arent the leading cause behind child sexual abuse. neither are consanguineous folk, (the con clearly refers to consent, so no you cant have consang without consent) it is your regular run of the mill usually cis males who commit sexual abuse.

but youre not campaigning to shun them lol, so it has NOTHING to do w child protection and more to do w you wanting to ostracize people.

btw map only concerns attraction. if youre attracted to "minors" (i already stated this is a manmade term and not a natural signifier but it is the label ascribed to this oppressed group so ill continue to begrudgingly use it, unless someone has an alternative) youre a map. if youre not attracted to minors you are not a map. notice no part of that says "child rapist". you as a proshipper SHOULD understand thoughts =/= actions. people are free to think or feel whatever they want. thought crimes arent real. "your thoughts define you" is puritan thought control, and a favored argument of antis.

also by grooming do you mean systemic child abuse done primarily by sex traffickers targeting vulnerable often young people or do you mean "someone told this person something i didnt like, and the person agreed/didnt mind, so thats grooming".

if you mean the former, not all maps are sex traffickers or predators. theyre just people like you and me. if you understand not all men are rapists then you understand not all maps are child abusers.

if you mean the latter, lmaoo then explaining the concept of trans people to someone is grooming, then being gay in public is grooming, then existing as a minority is grooming.

btw map =/= pedophile. they can be ephebophiles, hebophiles, etc. yes some maps are pedophiles but not all of em.

and now for the thesis statement

people are allowed to think whatever they want and do whatever they want as long as its not hurting non consenting people.

violence and bigotry against these groups simply for existing is wrong. they are not hurting anyone, theyre people too.

and even if a map commits child abuse, or a consang commits molestation, that does not mean ALL consangs are molesters and ALL maps are child abusers, much like not all men are rapists because one man might have raped someone.

and no even if it was a pattern that still doesnt make them all rapists or abusers or molesters. being a map/consang doesnt immediately make someone an abuser, but abusers are more likely to seek out these communities.

which is why im a huge advocate for there being numerous safety precautions and support systems in place for both parties in consanguineous and map x aam relationships, to make sure no abuse takes place. (but honestly for all relationships because all relationships can be abusive and all relationships can be healthy.)

also, your little thing about how you don't "like" minor as a label makes it glaringly obvious that you're just trying to blur the lines between minor and adult, don't think claiming that the minor label is "oppression" because people very much see through your bullshit.

you just arent capable of shutting your fucking mouth and listening to people who ostensibly know so much better than you. when i meet someone more radical than me, i fucking listen because theres a 95% chance theyre correct and i was being a bigot in some way.

but no you double down being a horrible discriminatory cunt. good job failing being a decent person.

if you are not civil i do not have to be civil. i never had an obligation in the first place to nicely explain to you why hating people for the way they are is bad. and yet i still tried to be friendly.

i dont owe your neo nazi ass anything. i dont owe you kindness or pacifism. especially now i dont have to endure the way you speak to me, fucking antishipper mouthpiece.

how about you spend two seconds fucking thinking for yourself instead of regurgitating whatever bile society fills you with. then at least i can say "damn you thought this out" instead of being a mindless npc.

sure im in the echo chamber when you just vomit up whatever youve been told or read online said by obvious sjws who never fucking cared about social justice, but people who just want to pick on people for drawing rose quartz or whoever too skinny, or by christofascist cucks and liberal idiots who permeate the social sphere to the point where obvious anarchist ideologies like bodily autonomy for everyone get treated like fringe conspiracy theories.

if its the former youre the same brand as all antis, making other peoples lives their battleground while trying to appear woke, but feeding the same oppressive systems that are in place.

if its the latter then you never had a single thought in your life that wasnt fed to you by your parents or your school system.

the venn diagram of these two is a flat fucking circle lmaoo.

yes children can consent and i love how you revealed you never wanted youth liberation in the first place. you want segregation and discrimination towards minors. then how fucking dare you complain when you get what you wanted??? you asked for this. then go feel like shit when the leopards eat your face.

you never cared about how people treat minors. youre only upset because youre a victim but then go on to perpetuate the same adultist arguments used against you.

your argument as to why they cant consent is basically just arguments against same sex relationships repackaged. "nooo lesbian relationships are bad because one girl is always manipulated " its also pretty ableist asf as people use that same line of reasoning to deprive various disabled people of their personhood. by saying they arent mature enough.

newsflash for YOU minors very much can consent. unless you think all teenagers having sex with each other is rape? i guess preteens masturbating is non consensual now. god forbid people younger than 18 have fetishes right??? cant ffs tell teenage girls what a period is lest they find out how sex works.

its not that minors cant consent, its that theres a systematic push to make them unable to consent so they can be stuffed in schools against their will. you very clearly can consent because you consented to this discussion.

wow its almost like the only reason why this dialogue that minors cant consent to sex is prevalent is because puritanism paints sex as harmful and morally corrupt, and because the world is rife with adultism.

backed up by you telling me to grow up. thats literally you saying being a minor is bad and then complaining that minors are mistreated???? are you genuinely this stupid that you do not realize the contradictions in everything you spout??

btw what a minor is is defined quite differently around the world. therefore yes it is a manmade term. and yes im tryna blur the lines between adult and minor because this binary is meaningless and never mattered in the first place. much like man and woman are manmade terms and black and white regarding race are manmade terms.

but ig youre implicitly racist/transphobic aswell because you cannot fucking understand does not deal in binaries.

im glad you assign meaning to my sentences that arent there. i am a very vocal youth liberationist and minors face unrivaled oppression with their personhood being repeatedly denied, their right to consent being taken away, their self expression being regulated, everything they do and everywhere they exist have adults without compassion overseeing it and limiting it. is that not oppression???

if you replace minor with any other minority it sounds pretty bad doesnt it??? but no ig in your eyes treating minors like subhumans is not only accepted but encouraged and celebrated. good job 👍

and that paragraph didnt mention the numerous facilities that exist to contain minors without their consent.

why is it a bad thing again that im tryna erase this meaningless distinction that causes pain to so many people?? that im vocally against treating people like dirt just for their age??

where im from, thats not the fucking us of a you can have legal sex by 14, work by 16 and drink by 18. so which one of these is the boundary for being a minor again??

also i dont care about your trauma. go dump it somewhere else. im not obligated to deal with it lol. youre free to cry about it and pound the ground and shit yourself but it literally doesnt matter. you still cant impede other peoples freedom. and its kinda sad youre tryna appeal to emotion in lieu of any actual arguments.

i could follow that up by telling you about how i was groomed into a relationship aswell but its not relevant in the slightest. your anecdotal evidence does not erase or discredit anything i said and continue to say. its unfortunate you had a bad experience but sucks to be you lol. your bad experience does not define everybody elses relationships.

i detest your abusers as much as you do but youre still flinging shit at innocent people because you cannot imagine a world where you dont get to discriminate against the very group you belong to.

and if you get to be disrespectful and bigoted because youre traumatized then so can others be against you. i was groomed by a trans woman, who wasnt a map, but yknow all trans women are groomers now because i had one bad experience. this is how you sound. fucking stupid right?

and i can get my head out of my ass and realize whatever frustrations i have are not perpetuated by the downtrodden outcasts of society.

instead of you turning against the very people that normalize treating you, a minor, like a plaything or an object, you ostracize those that want your freedom. guess who overwhelmingly respect childrens consent?? youth liberationists and maps. guess who dont?? other adults.

in all seriousness im sorry that happened to you but you still cant in good conscience oppose map x aam relationships, unless you also oppose straight relationships because some straight men are rapists and queer relationships because some queer people are abusive.

im genuinely sorry youve been hurt and that is why i explicitly stated i do not want things like what happened to you to happen to anyone else. what youve described was clearly non consensual, therefore it should be opposed and stopped. but you cannot use this example against others, who very much do consent.

and you certainly cant expect me or the rest of the world to treat your trauma with the reaction it requires. ideally traumas should be treated with respect. but im not your therapist nor am i your friend. and after you treat me like shit i have no obligation to cradle you like "oh no the bad man cant hurt you now :((( lets kill all maps!!!"

if its valid for you to spout insults then so is it for me to do so. either you have a civil discussion or you dont. sure i shouldve remained calm but im only a person too lol, i wont turn the other cheek ill fucking bite if youre a dick to me.

i sure fucking hope you sit down snd fucking think for once and realize how awful and wrong youve been, or you can continue coping and seething about how the evil predator tumblr user abused you by telling you the world doesnt revolve around you.

im still willing to extend the olive branch but i dont have high hopes lol. if you didnt realize you were wrong the first time you read my post you wont realize shit now. but im willing to forgive you if you really do change, fat chance but anarchism is about second chances and rehabilitation over punitive action.

you are FAR beyond help, buddy.

there is a very valid discussion to be had about how society treats minors, but "ooouuhhh society says i can't fuck kids!!!! this is oppression against,, uhhh,,,, the kids!!!!!!" is nowhere near what that discussion should be.

if your talking points weren't so fucking hilarious i would've blocked you earlier considering how you're a genuine advocate for pedophilic relationships, but i think now is a good time to get rid of your ass. you are genuinely fucking beyond insane and you are very clearly stuck in your ways, and i can only hope that you eventually realise that no, it's not "liberation" to freely allow pedophilic relationships to exist.

antis embrace the narrative that all minors are helpless and stupid and if you as a proshipper exclude minors then you are contributing to their cause aswell.

also who the fuck have i even mistreated? if i see someone i don't like, i just.. quietly block them. i don't go into their dms telling them to off themself or whatever even if i think they're gross.

you contribute to systemic oppression, therefore you mistreat others. mistreatment doesnt start at harassment.

also lmaoo i love how youve decided consang = abuse. which is glaringly not true. but you know, go consult data and pull a 13/50, ignoring every nuance and contributing cause instead of listening to consang people and their experiences. that is, if there even is some statistic stating that consang = abuse.

but by that logic all lesbian relationships are abusive and all gay men are child molesters because im sure there is some skewed data out there saying so that conservatives love to parrot.

btw statistics shouldnt ever impede anyones individual freedom. the statistics state that theres a high percentage of marriages that end in divorce. people are still free to get married lol.

and the whole "this is promoting harmful things and they are groomers" is just recycled antishipper talking points word for word.

it literally doesnt matter whether you think irl incest is ok or not, its really not that fucking hard to support other individuals right to freedom. people are allowed to do whatever they want as long as it isnt harming non consenting people. no matter how gross you find it you cant tell someone they cant do something just cuz youre disgusted .

btw the reason why incest is often interpreted as harmful is because it usually has to do with a family member, who is neither a map nor a consang, molesting their younger relatives.

the statistics, which i personally do not like to cite as they are usually used to further oppress people, clearly state that. maps arent the leading cause behind child sexual abuse. neither are consanguineous folk, (the con clearly refers to consent, so no you cant have consang without consent) it is your regular run of the mill usually cis males who commit sexual abuse.

but youre not campaigning to shun them lol, so it has NOTHING to do w child protection and more to do w you wanting to ostracize people.

btw map only concerns attraction. if youre attracted to "minors" (i already stated this is a manmade term and not a natural signifier but it is the label ascribed to this oppressed group so ill continue to begrudgingly use it, unless someone has an alternative) youre a map. if youre not attracted to minors you are not a map. notice no part of that says "child rapist". you as a proshipper SHOULD understand thoughts =/= actions. people are free to think or feel whatever they want. thought crimes arent real. "your thoughts define you" is puritan thought control, and a favored argument of antis.

also by grooming do you mean systemic child abuse done primarily by sex traffickers targeting vulnerable often young people or do you mean "someone told this person something i didnt like, and the person agreed/didnt mind, so thats grooming".

if you mean the former, not all maps are sex traffickers or predators. theyre just people like you and me. if you understand not all men are rapists then you understand not all maps are child abusers.

if you mean the latter, lmaoo then explaining the concept of trans people to someone is grooming, then being gay in public is grooming, then existing as a minority is grooming.

btw map =/= pedophile. they can be ephebophiles, hebophiles, etc. yes some maps are pedophiles but not all of em.

and now for the thesis statement

people are allowed to think whatever they want and do whatever they want as long as its not hurting non consenting people.

violence and bigotry against these groups simply for existing is wrong. they are not hurting anyone, theyre people too.

and even if a map commits child abuse, or a consang commits molestation, that does not mean ALL consangs are molesters and ALL maps are child abusers, much like not all men are rapists because one man might have raped someone.

and no even if it was a pattern that still doesnt make them all rapists or abusers or molesters. being a map/consang doesnt immediately make someone an abuser, but abusers are more likely to seek out these communities.

which is why im a huge advocate for there being numerous safety precautions and support systems in place for both parties in consanguineous and map x aam relationships, to make sure no abuse takes place. (but honestly for all relationships because all relationships can be abusive and all relationships can be healthy.)

also, your little thing about how you don't "like" minor as a label makes it glaringly obvious that you're just trying to blur the lines between minor and adult, don't think claiming that the minor label is "oppression" because people very much see through your bullshit.

antis embrace the narrative that all minors are helpless and stupid and if you as a proshipper exclude minors then you are contributing to their cause aswell.

also who the fuck have i even mistreated? if i see someone i don't like, i just.. quietly block them. i don't go into their dms telling them to off themself or whatever even if i think they're gross.

but yaknow what this is tumblr, why am I fucking surprised that I ended up following an ableist peice of shit without knowing.