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In my world there is no Nesta, Elain or the Valkyries and their dumb friendship bracelets, there is only Feyre and the IC, like it should be.

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nesta is death herself because the second she got her first pov chapter it killed my enthusiasm for acotar
Iâm justâŚreally tiredâŚof always only seeing stuff about nessianâŚ.please⌠thereâs so many other good shipsâŚliterally the only thing that happened with nessian is they kissed and their compatibility is not that great. A relationship cannot be built from constantly arguing or being bitter, nasty and mean. And it concerns me to see all you lovely fans making these edits and posts about nesta saying something mean and horrible and cassian being like youâre so pretty and everyone loves it. It encourages that thinking people who talk to /you/ that way is okay, and itâs not. The way Nesta treats people is really shitty. Of course sheâs dealing with ptsd, but to romanticize and excuse it and make all this nessian stuff encouraging it is not cool and I just hope that you donât ever let anyone treat you the way Nesta treats others
First of all bless you op for not liking this ship, I honestly thought Iâm the only one. *high five* What makes me, personally, uncomfortable in n*ssianâs dynamic is that N*sta doesnât really fit (or deserves imho) in the Inner Circle. The whole found family relationship between Rhys, Cassian, Azriel, Mor, Amren and finally, Feyre, is based on mutual respect, love and deep care for every member. N*esta is selective in her affections. Yes she ~loves (Idk if thatâs love per se, or if sheâs capable of healthy love but thatâs a different topic for another discussion) and protects Elain and apparently she is willing to sacrifice herself to die with Cassian (Iâm not done with acowar yet so Iâm basing this on spoilers I saw here) but thatâs it? She talked about wanting to protect children at the High Lords meeting which was lmao, rich coming from her - didnât she allow her youngest sister, who was barely more that a child, to destroy her innocence and risk her life every day to hunt in dangerous woods just to provide for her 2 useless and lazy sisters and a dumbass father? For me how she treated and still treats Feyre is abominal and disgusting and the same pattern shows in how she interacts with Mor. It baffles me how Cassian can stomach her constantly humiliating, undermining and pushing away Feyre and later Mor who are, without a doubt, the most important women in his life. I canât see them in a relationship if she wonât learn and change to at least show Feyre a small ounce of respect and gratitude since I doubt she will ever love her. She can be closed off and cold, thatâs fine, but still her actions could show that she indeed ~cares too deeply. And if she doesnât do that then n*ssian as a ship will be an ooc disaster because I canât see her as a member of the Inner Circle babes if she snarls at everyone for wanting Idk to talk to ElainâŚ.
Yes to all of this. Itâs unhealthy to idolize a relationship where one person is so blatantly disrespectful and cruel towards their potential partner. Everyone deserves to be with someone who loves them and treats them with respect and care. And that just isnât Nesta. Even if people donât want to recognize how abusive Nesta is to Feyre, Elain, and later the inner circle, canât we at least recognize that she is very unkind and disrespectful to Cassian. One big gesture of refusing to leave him to die alone doesnât erase all the terrible things she said and how she treated him. I ship characters with people who will respect them and care for each other equally.
So I'm the eldest sister. We were rich. Then my family lost fortunes. Mum died in that (she was abusive towards me and gave me trauma). Father is alive with a broke knee. And I have two sisters. The middle one is my favorite. My youngest sister, after realising that we were starving, went out in the freezing woods to find us food and whatever money she could manage with what she hunted. While I and my father and my sister sat on our asses in front of the warm fire. When my sister returned, I would slut shame her, spend her money on useless shit and what not. Verbally and emotionally and mentally abused her. But it's not abuse cause hey? It's pretty banters between sisters. I mean why should I work? Its not my job. I'm not the mother. And my useless father didn't do anything. Out of my spite for him, I would spend every dime my sister got home from hunting all day. But I still stayed and ate away at wherever she got me. Then I called her a beast. And what not. You know siblings fights? It's normal. Then she went away and got herself a life. I didn't like it because she replaced us and called those people her family. Her husband was awful. He wanted to kill me when I insulted my youngest sister. I mean, why would he be mean to me? Why would her entire new family be mean to me? Only I have the right to treat people like trash. They can't retaliate. Then some things happened. We lost our father. And my youngest sister took us under her wing again. I drank and partied with her and her husband's money. I mean they had a lot of it so if I spent a thousand dollars a day of his money it wouldn't put a scratch to his bank account. But they still treated me horribly. I hated myself. I had trauma. I was an awful person. And I was unloved. My youngest sister had a family. She was happy. And I was not. So I hated her more. I never had a reason to hate my youngest sister but I still hated her, because why not? Sibling's thing. One of her husband's friend tried to help me. And I called him a bastard, knowing very well that he truly was one. I do like to use people's weaknesses against them. God I hate myself for treating him horribly but I continued. Then they sent me away where I couldn't drink and could heal myself. I still had an option to leave but nah. When I can eat off of my little sister, as I had all my life, why would I move away and get a life? Because after all, I had trauma. And I hated them all the more. Then one day I find out that my sister was going to die because of her pregnancy. Pretty risky one. Nobody had told her that. They were finding ways to mend it. But then I didn't care cause I went ahead and sucked her friend's cock. I mean why not? God's I hate myself. Then out of spite one day I told her that her baby was going to kill her. And I hated myself. Oh I was such an awful person. Why was I so bad? But I had trauma and I was trying my best to heal by hurting everyone around me. Fair enough. But I was such a horrible person (I I I I and I). And then blah blah blah. I never apologized to my sister. Oh wait I did, but she was unconscious and it was just an I'm sorry and I love you. That summed up all the years of abuse, oops, siblings banter. So yeah. That was my life. People call me queen of queens. A bad bitch and uh they praise me so fucking much. I deserve love too after I've been nothing but horrible to everyone who loved me. Because hey? My mother said I was born to be a queen. And I feel like everyone is beneath me. Because I'm a pathetic bitch who thinks she is awesome and deserved the world.
Speaking of what Feyre did with the Spring court, i wonât say that what she did was right but i wonât blame her for wanting to take action and revenge after what Tamlin did to her.
He went after her like she was some sort of price to be won and did absolutely nothing to stop Hybern to transform her sisters. So i think by tearing his court apart, Feyre wanted to show Tamlin that sheâs not what he thinks she is: someone that needs to be protected, that is happy to be taken aside just doing things inside the mansion, that doesnât need to train her own powers even though they are growing stronger and hard to control, someone that would just accept everything he says or do.
But Feyre is none of those things and she wanted to show to Tamlin exactly what he was refusing to see in her.
Also the fact that Tamlin didnât even noticed she was not sleeping well and not doing well after Under the Mountain just proves how blind he has become. Tamlin indeed loved Feyre way too much to the point he couldnât notice how bad and toxic he was acting towards her.
So I think that what Feyre did was some sort of warning that said: donât ever mess with me like that again or next time i will do worse.
I have so many thoughts on this tbh.
While what Feyre did was obviously very short-sighted and petty, I do think it was a pretty believable choice given what was happening. At the end of acomaf, Tamlin has already allied with Hybern and jeopardized his own people. He allied with a foreign power that he KNEW wanted to enslave humans and destroy Prythian to get back a woman who had indicated multiple times that she was done with him.
While not directly Tamlin's fault, Feyre's sisters, whom she loves and wants to protect more than anything, are forcibly turned Fae by Hybern. Cassian and Azriel have both been mortally wounded, and Tamlin forcibly breaks the bond between Feyre and Rhys. Feyre is justifiably furious, and is trapped again with her abuser. She obviously should have considered the wider ramifications of destroying the court (specifically the spring court people, but also we don't know how much her actions affected them let's be clear), but it's also so cathartic to read about, and let's not pretend that she was unjustified in wanting to hurt Tamlin.
He says that he doesn't care if she and Rhysand are mates, that Feyre is his. She explicitly tells Tamlin that if he takes her, she will destroy him. đ¤
Tamlin had already set up so much of his downfall himself, and as Feyre said a couple times, he could have sidestepped her manipulations if he had been a better male and a better High Lord. He cared too much what everyone thought of him! He ignored all attempts by Feyre and Lucien to get him to do better and still continued on the path that would lead to the fall of his court.
its like, yâall can blame feyre for âdestroyingâ the spring court all you want, but she never would have succeeded if tamlin was a better high lord who cared about his people. and thats the truth
Also, Tamlin was already allied with Hybern at the end of acomaf. He had already exposed his people to a foreign power that planned on trampling them to get to the human lands. So, in acowar when Feyre showed the Spring Court denizens just what a terrible male and high lord Tamlin was, she wasn't totally leaving them vulnerable to Hybern. Because they had already been left vulnerable to Hybern by their high lord.
When she essentially manipulated the sentries (who I think are the Spring Court's version of an army??) into abandoning their high lord by doing nothing but proving that he cares more about himself and his appearance than them and their safety; she was being petty sure. But she...was also right. She was just showing them who he actually was, and they made up their own minds to leave. And if the sentries left, what makes you think the people weren't leaving either?
Either way, the Spring Court was vulnerable. But not solely because of Feyre's actions in acowar, but because Tamlin exposed them in acomaf and then did nothing to recitfy the situation. Tamlin is to blame for the downfall of the Spring Court. Not Feyre. Feyre just helped the people who lived there realize how vulnerable their high lord had made them. She proved that he doesn't have their best intrests at heart, and when it comes down to it, he will not protect them.
Also, Feyre didn't "destroy" the Spring Court. She didn't bomb it, or set it on fire, or go on a killing spree. The Spring court was "destroyed" by the lack of care and empathy Tamlin had for his people. The only one destroying anything here is Tamlin. Feyre carefully exposed the toxic nature of the court to the people who lived there and let them make their own decisions. Because she knwos that they are capable of doing that. Just like Tamlin made his decision when he ignored her own and insisted that she belonged to him after she left him.

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SJM dumbed Cassian down emotionally and in terms of intelligence in order to make Nessian happen but the fandom isnât ready to have that conversation.
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Same anon, but I'd like to further elaborate on people only liking Nest@ as a white woman. They pair her with Cas; an intelligent, incredibly empathetic MOC(He's a Commander, of course he's intelligent!). And make him out the be the idiot in the relationship and act like Nest@; the selfish, greedy white woman who doesn't even try to earn anything for herself cause she thinks she's to good to work, and make her out to be clever. People think his kindness is out of Lust or Love for her. Empathy.
Hey anon, sorry I didnât even notice this ask, it turns out I have three unanswered asks to get to đ.Anyways, I think the most interesting part of all of this is that they not only portray Cassian as a sort of âdumb jockâ character, but also as a bit of a brute. He mainly lusts after Nesta and thatâs about it. And again, Nesta pretty much makes up everything I hate in a person : an elitist that thinks sheâs better than everyone else. Not only is Nesta terrible and abusive, but in fanon or âheadcanonsâ, people go out of their way to make her behaviour ok. And once you make that behaviour ok, you get to a stage where you ignore the implications of shipping an abusive and toxic woman with a MOC who happens to be an overall good person (obviously after Acofas we learn more about Cassianâs past, but some view his behaviour as justified).
Not only are there several POC characters she butts heads with, but if we analyse her behaviour from the first book, she is quite obviously a horrible, judgemental person. The technicality of the situation is that fae in general are a different species from humans, and Nesta HATES them. Straight off the bat, she is established as hating a different species of people and hating the poor. I like to view it as a form of racism that often happens in Europe towards Eastern Europeans, specifically in the UK in which certain people despise immigrants from Eastern Europe solely based on where they are from. So essentially, Nesta is a great candidate for UKIP leadership (a racist party in the UK)âŚor maybe she could be a Tory considering the fact that she really hates the poor.
Why do you think the fandom is so defensive of Nesta yet so quick to hate Tamlin? Both abused Feyre but Tamlin at least showed her kindness and loved her. His abuse didnât feel as intentional, like he wasnât wanting to hurt her. Nesta WANTED to be cruel and hateful and showed no remorse. Ever.
OH Anon thank you for this question.
I think thereâs this thing happening in a lot of fandoms in which self-involved, obnoxious female characters are mistaken for âstrong independent womenâ or feminist characters.Â
Tamlin is essentially brought in as what the fandom expects to be the stereotypical love interest, a sensitive guy with a dark side who some people hope the main character leaves for a bad boy because heâs a lil boring. And so, when the series takes a turn and he begins to show abusive tendencies AND is called out in the books for it, and since people are now attached to Feyre, he becomes this absolute villain because he represents the type of man that is actually well known in our own society. He is emotionally abusive, ignores the signs of the damage that has been done to Feyre and keeps her trapped inside so he can keep an eye on her. So many people can clearly see that this male character is the worstâ˘. And interestingly youâve mentioned that his abuse towards Feyre wasnât intentional, and that makes me think of a post on tumblr that I canât currently find, but the gist of it was âRhys and Tamlin are different because Rhys was raised away from his toxic fatherâ. So that pretty much answers Tamlinâs abuse for me, because he is emulating what he knows. It doesnât excuse it, but itâs a big factor in his behaviour.
Now, onto Nesta. My favourite thing the fandom likes to do with Nesta is say âIf Nesta was a man, people wouldnât judge her like they doâ - bullshit. Since the start, my complaint had been that if Nesta had been Nesto, sheâd be hated. If it had been Feyreâs older brother who let his family starve out of spite towards their father and sent his sister out to hunt for them and spent her money, a man who belittled Feyre and dragged her down at every turn, who slut shamed Feyre and made her feel worthless, this fandom would hold the male counterpart of this character up there with Tamlin. Feyreâs love story with Tamlin was toxic and terrible, but an important factor in the relationship is that Feyre didnât know what love was supposed to feel like when she met Tamlin. She had never been loved, full stop. In fact, before Tamlin, Feyreâs dream was for Nesta and Elain to leave and to live with her father. At this point, a lot of the fandom will say that Nesta wasnât abusive, but Iâm someone who has 3 siblings who can sometimes be quite âcoldâ (as some people describe Nesta), but I have never wished they werent there?Â
Nesta began the series as a self-centred, bitter person who looked down upon poor villagers and felt entitled to every penny that Feyre earned. Throughout the series, she has remained that way. She only looks out for her own interests, belittles everyone around her, treats people as though they are dirt - hell, sheâd fit in with the Autumn court quite well. And as I said earlier, a major problem in the fandom is that for some reason, Nestaâs trauma has given her get out of jail free card when it comes to how she treats other people. âItâs the way she copes, sheâs empty insideâ - so was Feyre at the start of the series. And, since certain stans think that people judge Nesta because of the sleeping around and drinking, again - bullshit. On a personal basis, one of my favourite female characters is Wynonna Earp. Wynonna has had a lot of trauma in her life, from accidentally killing her father as a child, to being forced to kill her elder sister in adulthood. She was committed into a psychiatric facility, and went from foster home to foster home. As a teen and in her adult hood, Wynonna has slept around and has been drinking away her sorrows for years. And yet, she doesnât take it out on the people around her. Nesta, on the other hand, wants everyone to leave her alone and get out of her life- and yet she uses other peopleâs money to do what she is doing. To me, Nesta is a very Regina Mills type character - quick to insult others, has a woe is me complex (not as in she whines, but as in she takes anything that doesnât suit her as an attack), and she is extremely self centred.Â
Nesta is mistaken to be a strong female character, and I donât see her appeal. Sheâs the epitome of fake girl power, and since SJM is now also propping her up, sheâs getting even more popular. She is one of Feyreâs abusers, and Iâm uninterested in reading more about her because of this
rhysand puts up with so much bullshit because of his love for feyre. without feyre, he would never tolerate a bitch like nesta. at the first sign of disrespect, he would mist her. it makes me annoyed at feyre, sometimes, and i hate sjm for that. feyre's forgiving behavior towards nesta is simply not normal. it is forced, and it is aggravating.
Tbh I donât think itâs forced. I feel itâs a natural reaction for an abuse victim who broke away but is still in close proximity to their abuser. Which is exactly what their relationship is.
I definitely agree that Rhys wouldnât put up with it if not for Feyre. And personally I feel he should have a slightly louder voice about it.
But I also think that he doesnât want to step in too much. Feyreâs agency is so important to him and I think he doesnât want to influence her decision here.
But again, abuse victim. Sometimes you need a slap upside the head to realize youâre being stupid.
All of this^^^
Also, she would've stayed a villain because nothing past Wings and Ruin was supposed to exist. But SJM started writing self-insert Nessian "fanfiction," then drunk-emailed the pitch to her editor, who started seeing dollar signs. And here we are.
SJM: Here's a pitch for my new bookđĽ´
Editor: Perfect more money!đ¤

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I just wanted to understand how Sarah can be so aware of how contradictory it is for Nesta to hate Feyre so much for absolutely nothing and not make her treat Feyre better in any scene. she is literally rude to Feyre all the time in acosf, while Feyre is kind and forgiving of everything Nesta does.
yk, thereâs just no reasonable explanation for Nesta treating Feyre so badly.
if it was because Nesta had been cruelly raised by her family, she should have been mean to Elain too, but she never was. in this same book Nesta said that she would prostitute herself for Elain, but never thought to help Feyre. if itâs out of envy, since Feyre did everything Nesta didnât and helped their father and family, why doesnât Sarah make her get over her envy? why does Nesta not even think about it and all her hurt and pain is focused on her father?
it could be that Sarah thought that making Nesta not change her attitude, hating everything Feyre is a part of, not even tolerating the mention of her and hating all of her friends, would spoil Nestaâs âstrong personalityâ and upset her fans.Â
it seems like many Nesta fans can relate to her hatred of Feyre, but itâs pretty clear that Nesta doesnât hate Feyre or the IC members, so Sarah wanting to please these fans is pointless. Sarah to keep Nesta having this attitude for an entire book and not having delivered a reasonable reason is equally pointless.
it just seems like Sarah didnât know where she wanted to go with this story.
Exactly, it makes no sense. It never explains why she hates Feyre. Her relationship with her mother is not a good explanation as she was never an asshole to Elain because of it. She never treated Elain the way she treated Feyre. Everything she ever did for Feyre was she would have done for Elain, whether she was depressed, angry or not.
It was much easier for Sjm to spell out in full that Nesta hated Feyre because she was jealous (which goes without saying) or because Feyre was the biggest proof of her cowardice and she couldnât bear to know that people like Mor/Amren had done so much more for Feyre than her own blood family (and that could explain why she didnât like Rhys. Because not liking Rhys because heâs arrogant isnât a good excuse either, since weâve known since book 1 that Rhys is like that) .
Just assume you donât like Rhys because he taught your sister to read when you admitted you didnât even though you lived with Feyre for over ten years making fun of it
And itâs also okay that she doesnât have the same feelings for Feyre that have been organizing Elain, sjm just didnât need to try to convince me that family had to forgive each other at all costs and that nesta and Feyre had to be best friends. They didnât.
For me: Nesta was jealous of Feyre and couldnât bear to share anything with her, especially attention. She spent the entire book angry at Elain and Amren because in her selfish mind âyou chose Feyre over meâ. As if she should be the priority of these people and her sister who was always despised didnât deserve anything.
For me, she went looking for people where she is the center of attention, because she knew she would never be the center of attention at IC, which is totally Feyreâs (with whom she doesnât want to share anything). I donât think itâs okay for her to make friends and connect with other people. The problem for me was how it was written. And for me the search for a family only makes sense in the development of Feyre who never had one or the support of one (which was never the case with Nesta).
In my opinion Nesta is one of the most contradictory and poorly written characters of sjm because most of her excuses do not make sense or contradict themselves within the narrative itself. The book, for example, tries to divert all the time from her relationship with Feyre and focuses on her feelings for her father. Sheâs sick because her father died and she was a shitty person, but she spends the entire book being a shitty person to Feyre and waits for her to die so they can reconcile in the most shitty way possible.
i'm sick of seeing nesta stans talk about us invalidating her trauma.
i can't name one person who refuses to acknowledge that.
yes she was groomed. yes she was SAd.
but here's the thing:
that doesn't permit her to be abusive.
sjm is peddling this dangerous narrative that not only do victims become abusers, but that it's justified.
refusing to have nesta acknowledge her behaviour means saying it's okay. it doesn't matter if it's explicitly excused or not. not having her confront the abuse she dolled out and explaining it with "oh well she was abused." is excusing it.
sjm destroyed so much of her credibility when she published this horribly written fuckfest of a book filled with retcons about the archerons before and after the cabin and essentially hand waved away feyre's trauma at the hands of her sister because she faced abuse.
what I find so funny in this fandom is that people are talking about how aelin would eat tamlin alive, that he wouldn't stand a chance against bryce, and yet these same people turn around and hate feyre for ruining (and that's not even true, tamlin ruined his own court with his wrong choices.) the spring court.
and feyre is, quiet literally, a very kind and empathetic person, but people applaud aelin or bryce or nesta for being mean/having an attitude while calling feyre annoying or stupid.
the same goes for elain. she was the first to apologize to feyre, she's kind to the inner circle, and she's trying to fix her relationship with feyre now. meanwhile, nesta didn't even apologize and was unnecessarily mean and insulted people (and many more things.) but people praise her, saying "she could have been meaner, she's a badass," while calling elain boring or useless.
like???
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I'm reading a court of silver flames by sarah j. maas, and it's honestly amazing how she created a main character who is so unlikeable that I've thrown my book against my wall thrice already. like. can I just read more about feyre and rhys? or az? or, hell, mor and cassian alone? like. if I have to read one more fucking line about how much nesta hates herself, I might explode. hey. girl. im not here to invalidate your trauma, and lord knows recovery isn't easy, and there's no such thing as a 'perfect little victim' that comes out the other side of trauma sweet, and kind, and gentle for it. we come out of trauma with nightmares and ptsd and panic and depression. sometimes it can move us to be kind, to spare others from what we went through, but usually it just hurts. I digress. my point is that every. single. self hating thought this woman has, all of them are correct. feyre saved their asses by learning to hunt at fourteen, and how the fuck did nesta repay her? with vitriol and hatred. elain at least had the decency to act like a good human being, and realize that feyre was, yanno, keeping them alive. Nesta thinks herself brash, and rude, and a bitch? she fucking is. she goes too far when [spoiler redacted]? yeah. she really fucking does. she hates rhysand because???? he loves feyre and doesn't trust her because, oh, I don't know, she spent years verbally abusing feyre??? like. yeah. wow. rhys is def the asshole here mhm yeah sure. she doesn't deserve cassian because he's good, and funny, and a good person? no. she doesn't. like yes. she's trying. yes. she's traumatized. but you know what? trauma doesn't excuse you from repercussions from your actions. that's something a lot of us hate to acknowledge. myself included. like. goddamn. falling in love does not erase how many years of emotional abuse? and, oh, I can see it now, "u stan andrew minyard but not nesta? that's sexist." no. ya know why? because andrew is loyal. he isn't good. he isn't kind. he's brutal, and unforgiving, and angry. but you know what? he's loyal. he has boundaries he doesn't cross. He isn't cruel for the sake of being cruel.
tldr; fuck nesta archeryon

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âŚA tight sigh. âHis father had her put down. Executed, in front of Lucien, as his two eldest brothers held him and made him watch.â
i would like it noted that tam/lin specifically says two ELDEST brothers here, which by definition must include eris, since he is The Eldest. neither luc/ien nor tam/lin would have any reason to lie about this here meanwhile er/is has every reason to lie in ac0war and because of this i decree that all of er/isâs denials about this are bullshit and that people should stop fucking stanning him.
Pls can Sarah stop trying to change her stories, Eris would be much more interesting if he was genuinely toxic and wasnt just Rhys 2.0. She really needs to stop recycling her characters.
Sjm is a terrible writer but one thing about her, she will always make sure Feysand are the center of everything. No character has what Feyre has and sjm is so real for that.
so so real