God Arrest Ye Merry Gentlemen
The Libertinesā year has been scarred by crack, prison and burglary, so can they put their differences aside and enjoy an Albion Xmas together? Perhaps-if Carlās dad doesnāt kill Pete first.
Christmas. A time of love, forgiveness and goodwill to all men. This year, nowhere in rock n roll have these principles been stretched further than in The Libertines. First there was the matter of Carl Barat throwing Pete Doherty out of the band. Then Pete burgled the flat Carl shared with his sister, thanks to a rampaging crack and heroin habit, and got six months in prison (reduced to two on appeal). All looked black until Pete was released. There to meet him at the prison gates was Carl, who welcomed him back into the band after a hugely touching reconciliation.
Since then, apart from a somewhat mysterious incident in which Carl got his face bashed in, the good ship Albion has sailed through calmer waters. The Libertines are currently recording their second album, including forthcoming single The Likely Lads, with ex-Suede guitarist Bernard Butler. And here they all are together in an east London photo studio, singing along to Blondie and Billie Holiday, dressed as Dickensian gentlemen (apart from Pete, an urchin) and caning the brandy and beers.
There are still problems-Peteās been disowned by his father and āissuesā around the burglary havenāt entirely gone away-but thereās something heartwarming about the way The Libertines have stuck together, keeping the romance alive in the bleakest of circumstances. Itās a story Dickens himself would have tipped his hat to, a story of adventure and friendship, London and crime. A story of Christmas past, Christmas present and Christmas future.
NME: have you ever read Charles Dickenās A Christmas Carol?
Pete: āThe other night I was lying in bed and the radio came on by itself because the electricity ran out but then I discovered āemergencyā, and then when the radio came back on it was Hard Times, the fourth episodeā.
Carl: āI was flat on my back-I suffered a grievous injury-and I bought the DVD of Great Expectations. About the story of young Pip, and how through hardship and poverty but with virtue of heart, he managed to overcome the most tiresome, irksome and vile of obstaclesā.
What are your childhood memories of Christmas?
John Hassall: āWorking in a glue factory at the age of five.ā
Carl: āJohn, thatās not true, is it?ā
John: āNo. Dickens worked in a glue factory, actually.ā
Carl: āWell youāre not Dickens, are you? The sideburns-thatās where it ends. You worked for the post office, you did one day, you got sacked.ā
Pete: āMy grandad Percy-I remember him sat in his paper hat. He was the oldest taxi driver in Liverpool when he died and I remember he always used to say, āMerry Christmas and an apple in your ear.ā I used to think that was great. (Wistfully) Heād have been really proud, actually.ā
Gary Powell: āWe call Christmas Festivus, and after Christmas dinner everybody gets a little bit drunk and everybody walks around a pole in the living room until they get dizzy. And then they rip the shit out of each other and sit down.ā
Pete: āItās the big Gary Powell annual family fight.ā
Carl: āIt doesnāt matter what they put on the tree, they just beat the cack out of each other.ā
Whatās the best present youāve ever received?
Pete: āI think when I was about 12 and I got a pair of LA Gears. My uncle Arthur said to me, āYou know, kids in LA on the street get stabbed for these trainers.ā
Carl: āBecause your uncle Arthur stabbed them-thatās how you got them. Santa used to bring me a bottle of Smirnoff Mule.ā
NME: What, when you were a child?
Carl: āYeah, when it first came out. I told my dad, āThatās what I wantā, and he bought it for me.ā Rest of the Band: āAwwww!ā
Carl: āI was a bit gutted about my stocking, though-youād always get oranges and dodgy nuts.ā
Pete: āAbout five or six years ago, my dad bought me a cassette called The Beatles Live At The BBC. Iāve played that tape ātil it was worn outā¦ā
Gary: (Drily) āMy mum and dad bought me Michael Jacksonās Thriller. What a surprise that was.ā
Pete: āAnd then they danced round the pole a bit more!ā
Did you believe in Santa Claus as a child?
Gary: āI lost my faith in Christmas when I was about 12 years old. I went downstairs at 12 oāclock to open up my presents at my nanās houseā¦ā
John: āAnd you found Santa Claus giving Mrs Claus one over theā¦ā
Carl: (Shouting) āNo he didnāt!ā
Gary: āI opened one present and my gran came downstairs and found me. I ran back upstairs and she came upstairs with a belt and beat the crap out of me.ā
Pete: āAwwwā¦Is that true? I always wanted a remote-controlled car or a computer or something. Iād see big boxes and it would always turn out to be a load of jigsaws.ā
Carl: āI think weāve all suffered that one.ā
Gary: āBut I never really lost my faith in Christmas because we always ended up having a good time.ā
Were you ever in a Nativity play?
John: āI was the angel Gabriel.ā
Carl: āI was a spy. I was one of Herodās spies.ā
Pete: āDid you see that film on telly last night, Only Giffers Say No?ā
Carl: (Not falling for it) āWhat, your film was on telly? Get out of it!ā
Pete: āWe did Emile And The Detectives at school.ā
Carl: āFor fuckās sake! No you didnāt!ā
Pete: āOur teacher was an ex policeman. He thought itād be really funny.ā
Whatās your favorite Christmas carol?
Pete: āOh, that French one, Carol Debois, sheās lovely.ā
Gary: āMine is (sings) Jingle bells, Batman smells, Robin laid an egg, Batmobile lost its wheel, then the Joker got away, hey!ā
Pete: āMy favorite Christmas carol is And did those feet/In ancient times..ā
NME: āThatās āJerusalem,ā not strictly a carol.ā
Carl: āThis one is: (Warbles) While sheperds watched their flocks by night/All watching ITVā¦ā
All: āThe angel of the Lord come down/And switched to the BBCā¦ā
Pete: āWhatās your favorite carol then?ā
NME: āWe like āThe First Noelā.
All launch into lusty singing: āThe first Noel, the angel did sayā¦ā (laughter as they realize thatās the only line they know).
John: āI do like To Be A Pilgrim but itās not a Christmas carol.ā
Carl: āJohnās first avowed intent/To be a pillockā¦ā
Was there one thing youād always watch on TV at Christmas?
Pete: āIt was always the Only Fools and Horses Christmas special and a turkey sandwich.ā
Pete: āTrying to get the fucking family pen not to leak.ā
Ever eat or drink so much you were sick?
Carl: āI think I"ve got a funny constitution. No matter how much I eat or drink, Iām very seldom sick. I keep it all in. Some people would say thatās a valiant thing. (Abruptly) Whoās seen Lolita with Peter Sellers?ā
Pete: āIāve seen it. At the beginning heās in a room full of dead bodiesā¦ā
Carl: āNo heās not.ā
Pete: āItās like Christmas round at your house. Carlos lying on the floor going, āIām never ill.ā
Have you ever had a white Christmas?
Carl: āYou dirty bugger.ā
Pete: (Sings) āEnochās dreaming of a White Christmasā¦ā (A joke from an episode of Steptoe & Son about racist MP Enoch Powell-Sitcom Ed)
Carl: āJust like the ones he used to know/When he lived in Finlandā¦ā
Have you ever built a snowman?
Carl: āOF course I have.ā
John: āIt doesnāt snow at Christmas anymore. Itās global warming.ā
Pete: (Snatching NMEās questions): āDid I ever go to midnight mass? Yeah, I used to go with my mum and cry.ā
Carl: āI used to go with your mum and cry as well.ā
Pete: āWhere will you be on December 25? Iāll be in Whitechapel, alone.ā
Carl: āNo he wonāt! Heās going home to face the music!ā
Pete: āIām not. My familyās disowned me. My dad says Iām a thief and a junkie.ā
Carl: āYeah, and what you do is you go and you reclaim them. Because youāre family. Because you understand how important family is. āCos weāre brothers, your fatherās your father, your motherās your mother and youāll go and youāll bite the biscuit. Unless of course youāre in any physical danger, but we can suss that out beforehand.ā
Pete: (Softly) āFiggy pudding.ā
Carl: āFiggy pudding indeed. Thatās what youāll get. But donāt stay in Whitechapel. Donāt be a booner.ā
Pete: āI"m perfectly happy in Whitechapel!ā
Carl: āNo youāre not! Pete! Re-embrace!ā
Pete: āLook, even at the best of times itās not particularly happy being at home.ā
Gary: āCome with ours and celebrate Festivus! A bit of spinning round the poleā¦ā
Carl: āIāve got to do the 25th at my dadās because I always have done. I would invite you round, but you burgled my flat so my dad probably wants to kill you, and youāve not apologized to my sisterā¦ā
Pete: āI did apologize to your sister. I left a present on the doorstep. And I didnāt burgle your flat. Youād all gone off to Japan without me even knowing.ā
Carl: (Slightly irate) āPete, this isnāt Peteās story time, is it?ā
Pete: āI saw the storage containers outside the flat, the door was off the hinges anywayā¦ā
John: (Skillfully changing the subject) āWe had a Christmas dinner round your house, remember?ā
Pete: āOh yeah! That was a happy Christmas! We all wore yellow suits and danced to Django Reinhardt. Weāll have an Arcadian Christmas-figgy pudding and eternity.ā
Carl, where will you be this Christmas?
Carl: āI shall be in Watership Down. Thatās where my mum lives. The cat brings in rabbits from time to time. I saw that, the cat got frisbeed last year by a fucking juggernaut.ā
Pete: āI used to go there and meet his mumā¦ā
Pete: āā¦and he used to take me into the wild woods.ā
Carl: āI used to take him to Arcadia and back.ā
Pete: āIt was pitch black. And Iād see (Greek God) Pan.ā
Carl: āHe saw Pan and he came running with his tail between his legs. We didnāt even know he had a tail ātil then. Since then heās kept it very short.ā
NME: āAre you more of a pagan, then, Pete?ā
Carl: āHe doesnāt like to put in a bracket-in this case down the bracket.ā
NME: āHow about a panthesist?ā
Carl: āPanthesist? Pig-ist.ā
Pete: (Eyeing Johnās trucker cap) āWhatās the deal with the Beatings hat, John?ā
Carl: āThatās mine! I got that in America.ā
John: āTheyāre supporting us.ā
Pete: āThing is, I asked this band The Unstrung to support us.ā
Carl: āItās a bummer they canāt then, innit? What a downer! Biggles, weāve got loads of fucking bands! Youāve chosen shitloads! Heās got Wolfman And The Unhealthies or whatever theyāre called.ā
Pete: āTheyāre called the Side-Effects.ā
What do you want for Christmas this year?
Carl: āHis two front teeth.ā
Gary: āI want an extra two inches.ā
John: āIād like some festive love.ā
Carl: (floridly) āI want warmth, clarity, love, stimulation and art.ā
Pete: āIād like to pull a cracker.ā
Carl: āIād like eternal life.ā
Pete: āI"d like an all-in-one TV and video. (Apropos of nothing) I saw Welsh Pete last night and he said, ā(Welsh accent) I was round at Sadie Frostās house and Liam Gallagher was there and I put on āDonāt Look Back Into the Sunā and he stood up and said, (Manc accent) āHey man, get the fuckinā burglars off the stereoā (Welsh accent) and I said to him āThese boys are the future, sit down!ā and he was quiet.ā Anyway, an all-in-one TV and video and Iād like an old suit, early 60ās Italian, three buttons, black.ā
Carl: āHe means double breasted, tails vented and a three-quarter-length dee-dee-dee. Now, for me I will have an Ealing Comedies Classics collection of DVDs, volumes one and two, The Wicker Manā¦ā
Pete: āWestway To The World (clash film), ācos Iāve lost that.ā
Carl: āIāve got Westway To The World inscribed by Mick Jones. It says, āDear Carl, itās about greatness. Love and admiration, Mick Jones.ā
If you had a free choice and money was no object, where and with whom would you spend Christmas?
John: āIād like to spend it with Roy Wood from The Move.ā
Carl: āI"d like to spend it with Oscar Wilde in the Dordogne.ā
Pete: āIād like to spend it with the lead singer of The Bandits. Weād pull crackers and comfort each other.ā
NME: āWhy, whatās wrong with him?ā
Pete: āHe sprained his ankle.ā
Gary: āI"d spend it with Halle Berry, anywhere.ā
Pete, will you be thinking about your mates in prison over Christmas?
Pete: āHe hasnāt got any mates in prison! They all hated him!ā
Pete: āShush. Of course I will, yeah. Iāve been writing to a few of them and Iāve been sending them a few little Christmas giftsā¦ā
John: āA cake with a chisel in it.ā
Pete: āInside the spine of a magazine. Yeah, Iām thinking of āem. As they queue up for congealed rice and genetically modified turkey.ā
Have you got any interest in whatās Christmas Number One this year?
Pete: āWell, we had a Christmas song.ā
All: (Singing) āThe bottom of the bottle/so drink your drinkā¦Sing me a song about the boy who went to warā¦ā
Pete: āCindy Lauperās not a pauperā¦ā
Carl: āBobby Dylanās not a villainā¦ā
All: āSo drink, drink, drink, drink, drink, drink, drink, drink and be merry/For tomorrow we dieā¦ā
What did you get each other for Christmas last year?
Carl: āWell, it didnāt come ātil June, but it was probably a fucking Rizla with a dead wasp in it.ā
Gary: āI got a kite.ā
Pete: āI got kicked out of the band.ā
NME: āWhat, for Christmas?ā
Pete: āIt was a late surprise.ā
Carl: āChristmas boot for the Pigman. After he scoffed all our truffles. We were gutted.ā
Pete: āYou have to laugh, otherwise you smack him in the face.ā
Carl: āOi! Fucking hell! Itās supposed to be Christmas! Why canāt you be nice, man, youāre my friend for fuckās sake.ā
Pete: āYou said I got you a wasp!ā
Carl: āYou did get me a wasp!ā
Pete: āYouāve gone delirious.ā
Do you think the relationship between Pete and Carl sums up the Christmas spirit of goodwill to all men?
Carl: āIād fight to the death for the Pigman.ā
Pete: āYeah. Forgiveness and tolerance, thatās what I offer Carl.ā
Carl: āI know Pigman, I know his intentions, and when theyāre hard theyāre hard and when theyāre loving theyāre loving. When I got back to my house and everything was scattered about the place-and obviously my heart sank into my scrotum-I knew that if Pigman wanted to do an evil job then he could damn well have done. But what Pigman done was a very confused and lovelorn job. There was anger there, but Iād never raise a finger against my dear friend. Ever.ā
Pete: I sat on the edge of his bed and wept. There was a CD that his mum had made him, a bootleg CD with a picture of me and him on the front and it said āWell doneāā¦.(trails off)
Carl: Pete knew the importance of home and what it was to me to have a sacred place and a sanctum and an asylum and the fact that there was the possibility that my sister could have been there at the time shocked me. Thatās what hit hard. But I never had anything but forgiveness and love and all I ever wanted was to put my arm round my friend. There was just this horrible, unapproachable, spiky, icy fucking glacier between us and it was very hard to get round.ā
Why did you wear rosaries the day Pete came out of prison?
Carl: āBecause Pigman got them in prison. Mine was wicked, it glowed in the dark.ā
Pete: āI got them off a Portuguese pickpocket. He pickpocketed the chaplain.ā
Carl: (changing the subject) āListen, PO Box 117 Harley Street. Thatās where to send Christmas cards to The Libertines.ā
John: āOr death threats.ā
Carl: āBecause he got loads of letters and I didnāt get none!ā
Have you got a Christmas message for the readers of NME?
John: (Philosophically) āDonāt celebrate the spirit of brotherhood and love just on Christmas Day. Thatās how it should be every day.ā
Pete: āTry to remember what it was that⦠just try and remember what it was. And donāt let go of it. Preserve it.ā
Finally, where do you think youāll be this time next Christmas?
Carl: āGod only knows. And thereās the magic.ā
Libertines Interview NME 122003