ignorance is bliss 💖

Mspec folks including Mspec Lesbians can of course be attracted to men, but it’s not inherent to being Mspec.

Actuality: “Bisexual Lesbians are a large and irremovable part of the Lesbian community, even if many Lesbians treat them with insults, ignorance, stereotyping, exclusion, rejection, invalidation, and worst of all, silence”

- Bi Women Quarterly, 1983

(Not that it matters if the term is “new” or not to begin with)

Just because all women may be subject to sexism doesn't make it "lateral aggression" for transwomen to call TERFs out on anti-trans bigotry.

Even though all systems face pluralphobia, it's not lateral aggression for endogenic and mixed origin systems to call out sysmeds on their bigotry.

And even though all trans people face transphobia, it is not lateral aggression to call out the bigotry of transmeds.

We who have to constantly fight for recognition of our struggles are not the aggressors against groups who attack us at every turn. Literal communities bound together solely by their hatred of us.

We didn't start this conflict. We merely sought to exist as ourselves. We are not being aggressive by defending ourselves and calling out exclusionism and hate.

I've been in therapy for DID for a while now. I'm not lying about that. Traumaendos do exist and the label is used by so many people for a variety of reasons. I'm mixed origin but I feel like nobody but my closest friends can know without me being faced with racism and anti-theism as well as ableism.

So many people in syscourse have been awful about true religious and spiritual beliefs. So much so I genuinely think many people are just racist and pretending to care about POC. Because they specifically seem to often be singling out what they see as "too fantastical or non-christian beliefs to actually be reasonable" I'm tired of anti-theism and I'm tired this bigotry is acceptable in this space.

Not one person in that group had a proper answer. Every comment was different variations of "you sort of just know" and "it's obvious when you see it".

It is literally just proof that they have no idea what they're talking about. You could fit the exact criteria to any disorder and they'll still post you there because you're simply different to what they're used to and that's upsetting to them.

I'm going to refrain from posting anymore about r/fdc, but please keep that in mind when you're feeling insecure as a result of those groups. They have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. None of them are qualified to be judging anyone like that.

Other people know their own experiences infinitely better that I can. If someone says they are something, I believe it and I treat them with respect. If they actually were lying or mocking, well, politely going "okay, I'm happy to use nor/mal pronouns for you" very quickly kills their mood. And if they were genuine, I responded exactly how I should've.

"We'd feel safer without police"

Being a traumagenic system doesn't give you authority on whether or not endogenic systems exist, honestly. Endogenic systems have that authority. That's like saying "well I'm a trans man/woman so I'm an authority on ALL trans experiences including all genders of trans people". Also literally definitionally if you are fully traumagenic you have zero experience with being endogenic and therefore zero authority to talk about it.

The only reason I mention being traumagenic is to point out that not all traumagenic systems agree with sysmeds and to support my endogenic friends. I love them and I think it's incredibly shitty how people literally drive them to the point of intense derealization and depersonalization just for being a system in "the wrong way". It's cruel and utterly unnecessary. No one's*existence* is inherently harmful and 99 percent of the supposed "harm" endogenics are claimed to do is straight up lies.

But just for sysmeds and anti-endos: you harmed and traumatized my system with your constant fakeclaiming. You worsened our dissociation and delayed our realization of both our plurality and some of our trauma. We have worsened amnesia and dissociative barriers to this day because of you.

Endogenic and mixed origin systems have done so much to help us heal. We've very rarely met shitty endogenic systems but quite honestly we've met far more shitty traumagenic systems and singlets both than we've met endogenic systems TOTAL. Think about your behavior. Really sit with it. If you're okay with being a bully so that you can feel you're "fighting back" against hateful ableist singlets, that's on you.

But pro-tip: lashing out against your own community and further driving away people who could join you in collective action for the purpose of liberation is helping no one. It's just a trauma reaction driving you to want to hurt others the way you've been hurt. And get this, the ones you can actually reach? The ones that you CAN hurt in that way? They aren't your oppressors or abusers because they don't have any actual power over you.

Time for the newest syscourse topic, one that I’ve actually been thinking about quite a bit lately. I had a conversation with my very pro-endo friend about it a while back, and it caused me to realize that the entire issue is really that we don’t understand the distinction between oppression and social stigma, and why exactly endogenic plurals are stigmatized, but not oppressed. And why this doesn’t mean that struggles that they do face are “invalid” (boy, do I hate that whole concept. I hate the whole valid thing. It doesn’t do anything any justice.) 

To start off with, it's important to clarify each of these terms. Oppression refers to the systematic mistreatment, subjugation, and denial of rights by those in power against a specific group. On the other hand, social stigma involves societal disapproval or mistreatment directed at individuals who possess certain characteristics or identities. While the two concepts may intersect, they are not synonymous. 

Endogenic plurals, despite facing challenges in the form of social stigma, do not experience systemic oppression in the same way as historically marginalized groups. The comparison I drew in my conversation with the previously mentioned friend was to communities like furries and therians, who similarly encounter varying degrees of societal rejection. While they may be subjected to ridicule, bullying, or social ostracization, these experiences are not the same as being actively oppressed by institutions and systemic structures.

I would also like to highlight that the challenges endogenic plurals face are largely only present within the Western context. Outside of that, they not only ‘would be’ but are very easily accepted, sometimes for religious/spiritual reasons. I had someone from the Middle East (not going to specify which country because I don’t know if anyone knows who this is and would prefer to not dox them lol) describe to me that they once thought that they were endogenic – they were open to their family and community about this, and were very widely accepted for it. It was seen as creative, and a beautiful thing! But once they discovered that they had formed their system through trauma, and that they had DID, it became different. Suddenly it was something to be shunned – this is largely because it isn’t the system that’s the issue. It isn’t the concept of plurality that is an issue, by and large, it’s the trauma. It’s the fact that this is a disabling condition. It’s the fact that when you have DID, you have a rare mental illness. It’s the fact that you are experiencing trauma responses that are unpalatable to those who don’t understand them. 

That’s far from the only story I’ve heard of that type, and I’ve particularly seen a LOT of Asian systems speaking about acceptance of endogenic plurality vs. rejection of DID in their cultures. This is a very West-centric argument, and also goes to show how narrow of a perspective many of the current larger syscoursers pushing endo oppression as a concept have on the subject of oppression. 

You may say, “But, there’s a potential for systemic oppression and violence against endogenic plurals! We just don’t have enough data, because they’re not “out” yet.” My friend said this! I appreciated the point, because it allowed me to highlight my above argument about endogenic plurality outside of the west and also the fact that historical patterns of systemic oppression and the reasoning for such and the examination of parallels with other marginalized groups and their histories with oppression reveal that such concerns are really just… Not warranted. Genuinely, the struggles that endogenic plurals face are much closer to that of the furry community, or that of the therian community. These groups also have to deal with with societal misunderstandings and negative perceptions. Just as with endogenic plurals, the issues they face stem from a lack of understanding rather than a deliberate effort to oppress. If either of those groups were to be open about their identities, they’d face similar struggles – and they do. It’s not exactly the wisest thing to talk to your boss about being a furry or a therian, and it’s liable to get you some hate/bullying/mistreatment directed towards you at some point. It’s stigma.

While endogenic plurals may experience interpersonal mistreatment and possibly even limited job opportunities due to being open about their identities, these challenges are primarily driven by social stigma and negative perceptions. It's worth noting that any systemic violence or marginalization they encounter often stems from an intersection with already marginalized groups, such as the queer or neurodiverse communities. Sure, many endogenic plurals are queer or otherwise neurodiverse, but that intersection and further the violence directed towards it can’t exist without the existence of those other identities. A cishet, white, NT and otherwise non-marginalized endogenic plural isn’t oppressed. A trans, ND, POC who is an endogenic plural is, but not because of their plurality, though it does create a different (and notable) intersection with a few of these aspects. 

https://www.tumblr.com/queerautism/727472847155511297/every-time-i-see-that-systems-arent-opressed

Complexpunk

For anyone who has a complex identity and thinks anyone who doesn't support them can fuck off.

This includes:

• Non-traumagenic systems/Non-disordered systems

• Otherkin

• Therians

• Mspec gays/lesbians

• Gaybians

• Lesboys/Turigirls

• Xenogender

• Label and gender hoarders

• Cuspers (on the cusp between cisgender and transgender)

• Gendered agender

• Transmascfem(neu)

This does NOT include:

• Exclusionists

• Gatekeeprs

• Seperatists

• Reactionaries

Traumaendo plurals and Mixed Origin Plurals who feel like they're stuck in the middle of discourse.

To the plurals who don't care about their Origin, yet get continously pushed into categories by strangers.

To the plurals who know their Origin, yet continously get invalidated because it "doesnt make sense".

To the plurals who are unsure of who they can even interact with anymore because of all these syscourse stances.

Shoutout to any & all plurals, that are overlooked by syscoure and suffering from it, without ever being acknowledged.

Sysblr, we really need your help.

Around 3 hours ago we randomly became severely tired (mentally not physically). Yes, this happens to everyone a lot, just wait a moment.

A bit after that, a bunch of alters were thrown to front. Currently, Jake, Sam, Casey, Colby, Cole, Luke, and Bill are fronting. This is the most we have ever had in front at once and everything is just straight chaos.

We feel very disconnected from the body and can't remember anything. We tried listening to music, but it sounded different than before. Mind you, this is the music we listen to on repeat every single day.

Words coming into our ears are not processing and what was coming out of our mouth weren't sentences, just strings of words, not always placed to make sense. On top of that we have a TERRIBLE headache that messes everything else up.

We have taken a covid test, and our temperature, so we know it is not physical sickness. Something mental is going on.

I have a feeling we may be splitting, which we have done before, but the symptoms were not at this extent. Maybe a mass split.

We know this is not our gatekeeper's fault because he is as confused as we are.

If anyone knows what is going on, or can assure us that this is partially normal, please do.