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But in the Uchiha clan massacre, villagers, especially Jonin group including elites of the Konoha village had fault, they had just silently witnessed the discrimination by the leadership, even danzo said himself that if uchiha get discovered it will be over for them, meaning in the village no one on the side of uchiha or didn't say anything against the discrimination by the hokage, that's why they were also complicit indirectly and should be part of the collateral damage like Israelis, that's why it's okay for sasuke to destroy and kill every konoha citizen if there is no fair trial to establish justice then violence is the justice as pain has said, so naruto can't understand, he is always pro status quo fascist supporter fanboy, that's why he agreed to be genocide denier and openly admired itachi without criticizing once that why did you have to kill unknowing children or civilian population!!!!!

He is no different from Tobirama, just with a different personality.

“Ah yes the face of a man who hates his family”. The difference is that they first one if an official ninja card from the game NxB nv(Naruto x Boruto ninja voltage) and the other one is the CANON manga that kishimoto wrote/made. Official ninja cards or arts aren’t canon so I don’t know they say shit like this

It’s funny how the “Sakura got shipped with her abuser” non-canon narrative even exists when Sakura a) harassed Sasuke for years (like the pseudo-neck-beard that she is) so that he’d submit to her “whims”; b) other people like Kakashi tried to coerce him into a relationship he didn’t want; and c) she also endangered his life and tried to take it, as well, multiple times, actions that invited reactions. It’s almost as if it’s Sasuke who got paired up with his abuser, not the other way around as, now, he’s attached to the very system who carried out a systemic discrimination, oppression, and eradication of his clan; serving it like its brain-washed minion; and married to a woman who never stopped the relentless harassment of him, going as far as to emotionally and psychically harm him repeatedly in the wake of his rejections.

(Please note that I love Madara as a character and am not bashing him. But I also acknowledge that he's got a lot of flaws, and I find it interesting to see how his flaws led him to make the decisions that he did.)

mainly bc he was an individualist who let others make their own decision but why he became power hungry and controlling bc of loss, and distrust, madara valued human lives over everything, that's why he can easily fell in despair or lose hope after witnessing so many deaths, he isn't like hashirama who would do anything for his vision even killing,

On these two pages, Madara seems to feel that the enmity between their two clans is far too high of a hurdle to pass, so they'll never get peace. Peace becomes a "pipe dream", something impossible, because Madara can't see a way of breaking down the barrier of the two clans' grudges. "You are Senju... I truly wish it wasn't so," shows that it's especially because Hashirama's a Senju that they can't cooperate, can't trust, can't "show [their] guts to each other," because the history between their clans is this huge gulf that Madara can't see a way to cross. He can't see a way of changing people's minds. And because of his difficulties with trusting people, he probably wouldn't believe anyone who did change their mind anyway. So the public opinion that 'Senju and Uchiha are enemies' becomes this unassailable wall to Madara that he can't see any way of changing.

From what can i say madara is a realist and mature not idealist like hashirama, madara has lost and seen more deaths and even killed adults than hashirama, he saw how deep their grudges were especially when they kill each other so easily that it became normal and peace is illusion, madara valued near people's life where hashirama's valued symbol of peace, that's why it's hard for madara to hope for peace.

he can't change people's mind mainly bc of his loss and growing up in warfare that him to have little hope and and not to trust, hence why he tried to find solace in hashirama after izuna's loss, he would believe in anyone like he did with hashirama if he can confirm with their true guts or conviction. its understandable that he can not see uchiha-senju conflict ends mostly bc he was a realist who has seen brutality of warfare and not like hashirama who can control his emotion for his vision.

Madara doesn't seem to be very good at seeing the nuance within public opinion. He seems to see things through an 'all or nothing' lens, so even though clearly some of the Uchiha would be open to peace, or at least to not fighting the Senju anymore (since they go so far as to defect to the Senju), Madara can't see any further than that the enmity between their clans still exists in the broad strokes of public opinion. So peace is still impossible, because he can't imagine that people who are enemies like their clans are could trust. He also can't seem to recognise the influence he does have when Hashirama tries to point it out.

Madara cared about public opinion hence why he never showed bitterness towards public or clan opinion of him but towards only hashirama and tobirama and thought of not protecting the clan that his brothers died for in order for it to survive, he did want peace but izuna blocked that path, and after izuna's death he does not care about anything for a brief and he convinced uchiha would not trust him as he abandoned them when izuna died and surrender to senju easily without fight who killed their brethren but witnessing hashirama's guts he regained from his grief and started to dream and have confidence about protecting the clan again which was izuna's last wish, he trusted hashirama bc he believed hashirama would protect his clan and children and he can change people's mind, that's why madara started to have faith in trusting others too slowly slowly, also uchiha started to defect when madara abandon them after izuna's death

I'm convinced that the main reason the treaty went through is because he accidentally made it a personal matter rather than a public one. It became a matter of Madara trusting Hashirama, rather than the Uchiha trusting the Senju. And then I imagine the treaty happened very quickly after that, before Madara could get knocked back down to reality and remember that he trusts literally none of the other Senju, especially Tobirama, the 2nd in command of the clan.

it was not personal, it was public otherwise madara would have committed suicide, madara came for revenge for izuna's sake, that's why he came to fight alone with no other uchiha and wished to die but still want to protect the uchiha, that's why he tested hashirama and confirmed his guts, madara was honest with the village and thought hashirama would solve everything and found a solace in new brother and believed in hashirama's vision and moreover if leader trust anyone they would, senju-uchiha both trusted each other, there was rumor but no one paid attention, it was tobirama's doings bc tobirama was the one who was arranging and communicating with everyone from elders, councils, daimyo and other clans and creating shinobi functions meaning his uchiha and madara bias would influence others just how daimyo and his councilors easily swayed by danzo, tobirama is like that who even manipulated someone like hashirama in whom madara found new hope, he trusted hashirama and believed hashirama has the power to change everything as he showed his guts and same sentiment of brotherhood, could have changed tobirama's view but he also concede to tobirama's bigotry.

And then Madara overhears this conversation, where Tobirama's being suspicious of him, and saying that no one would vote for him to be Hokage. And Madara wakes up from the dream-like happiness he and Hashirama had been feeling after the treaty. He remembers that he doesn't actually trust any of these people aside from Hashirama, and he realises that public opinion has changed, and has now turned against him.

your statement is wrong, he was angry that hashirama concede in tobirama's bigotry without supporting madara and uchiha, madara does not care about being hokage, what he cared the vision of both of them and believed everything would be all right even public opinion would change as long as he had hashirama's back and thus he can protect uchiha and children both, he has no problem with hashirama becoming hokage or if he first did not trust other senjus but his problem is with tobirama a person who is in charge of so many things and interacting with so many important people whom tobirama would influence regarding uchiha and him thus there will be no mutual trust, even hashirama conceded to tobirama's manipulation, hashirama a person who implemented a wishful thinking of forming a alliance by showing guts to madara now that same person losing hope and became like madara when madara thought uchiha-senju alliance was wishful thinking and twisted the trust and bonds he had with madara bc of tobirama's bigotry,

another thing just like how tobirama influenced hiruzen generation, madara thought even i show merits and win the trust of the village, prejudice spreading through tobirama would affect everyone as tobirama created the shinobi function and even has the power to control his brother hashirama, so madara becoming hokage would be facade where he had to go by the tobirama's willful bigotry just like how hashirama had to which he did not like

Madara spends this whole conversation being very fatalistic. When Hashirama tries to convince him that the villagers will eventually recognize his merits, Madara ignores the possibility that he could actually invest effort into changing public opinion of him, saying that Tobirama will be 2nd Hokage, presumably because Tobirama is currently thought of more highly than he is.

konoha is not democracy it's go by the council and hokage's wish, they create who will be positive and negative in konoha and daimyo and his council's eye and tobirama was the one who was controlling everything even his powerful brother, even madara would win public opinion, but tobirama's bigotry would influence others in the long run similar to how elders did not consider fugaku's effort in war in shinden novel, so becoming hokage would not create peace for madara where a still person exists who still ha problem with him and uchiha, bc conflicts will arise and it's not equal, and his brother did not die that he and uchiha to be a tobirama and senju's slave in the village based on equal footing and cooperation, that's why he said uchiha would be in disadvantage position bc tobirama's belief in rumors, who knows he would influence next gen and the village then new silent form of conflicts would in the name of cooperation, so in this context becoming hokage is meaningless bc he can not protect children or uchiha if anything negativity happen to them anymore.

And this fucking panel. This says so much about his character. Madara never really learnt conflict resolution skills (and to be fair, I don't think either of the Senju brothers did either), so this conflict he's having with, well, all of Konoha over his public image and over whether trust is possible, is something he can only imagine resolving by force. He can't see that a softer way of resolving things is possible. So he made it a fight. He made it a battle with winners and losers, and he ended up planning to use force on the entire world to see his dream come true. And a fair part of why he ended up there is because he couldn't grasp the idea of changing society any other way. So yeah, in conclusion, Madara wasn't very good at seeing how he could change other people's minds in any way other than by force. This shaped his decisions to turn away from Hashirama, both when they were kids and again when they were adults, and also shaped his decision to enact the Moon's Eye plan.

he did not actually believe in resolving anything by force, he tried to achieve by force after reviving by edo tensei where he believed end justifies the means that he learnt from hashirama how hashirama killing peope to save village where village was created to protect the village, conflict resolution skills would only worked if madra slowly regain from trauma of losing his brother, more than his public image he was concerned with uchiha's position bc of tobirama and hashirama's subtle betrayal and fake vision of peace, how he can resolve in softer way when tobirama think of uchiha genetically hateful, madara becoming more like eren and itachi day by day that chaos what he can only see and there hashirama whom madara trusted the most who was not honest with his interactions anymore,

Since you are answering questions (and your Madara’s analysis is always on point) I was wondering if you wouldn’t mind answering this one as well

Do you think it’s plausible, according to the flashbacks we got and Madara’s character that he had a s/o in the village around the time that he left ? Like a childhood friend that evolved into love (I don’t see him getting close to anyone new after Izuna’s death tbh)

And lastly, if that s/o claimed to be pregnant, could he have changed his mind and stayed ? Or was he too deep into his darkness/zetsu manipulation already ?

I often ask myself these question regarding fics I read/write and was wondering if you had an opinion

Thank you for your time if you answer me !

Hello Anon, thank you for the intriguing ask! My fingers are already tingling because I've given this scenario a lot of thought and to be honest, it's something I've wanted to write a fic about for quite some time.

I'll try to be brief and concise and delve right into it and state the following: I highly doubt Madara had grown fond of anyone other than Hashirama at the time the village was built.

The main justification being that he himself states that not one of the Uchiha decided to trust him and heed his word when he warned of a possible imminent threat to the clan's survival had Tobirama been elected Hokage.

I think what transpires is the clan's overall distrust in his regards — and there are multiple reasons for this.

Though I believe Madara was most probably a righteous and forthright leader, graced with great intellect and fighting skills honed to a razor's edge, his youth as a leader is ultimately plagued by failure after failure. Before the peace treaty, Madara was unable to secure the protection of his clan, even economically (note there are specific panels that show the Uchiha without armour whereras the Senju samurai/shinobi are all fully harnessed with protective plates on their chests - so one could assume the Uchiha didn't posses the same purchasing power, probably as a result of their continuous losses on the battlefield).

So this leads to an overall skepticism in regards to his leadership skills and it becomes so rooted that several of the Uchiha begin to desert Madara and join the opposition, a bold and striking move considering decades of bloody warfare and deep hate nested between the clans.

Though Madara remains the clan leader throughout the foundation of the village, I doubt the Uchiha began to regain faith in him.

Now, looking into Madara's character, despite he seems to display a great deal of confidence, when it comes to politics and the establishment of society, I think he felt fairly lost and disoriented. And that's most probably a result of both his upbringing (warfare had a major impact upon him, it's ingrained in his person, it was imprinted upon him since his childhood) and the people's distrust of him.

Reading between the lines and the few conversations which occur between himself and Hashirama, it seems to me that Madara is very much alone.

People's opinion of him is highly skewed. They fear him. We can see it for example when he attempts a random act of kindness — Biwako (child) cowers away from him despite the fact he assisted her after she tripped and fell. Was her reaction induced by his fearsome physical appearance or was it elicited because Madara is burdened with a reputation that, try as he might, he just cannot shake off? I lean more towards the latter - It's important to note how:

1) Even Hashirama recognised and admitted that Konoha as a whole, so both the Elders and the citizens themselves, harboured suspicions regarding him, his motives and his philosophy. Madara adds to the conversation that his clan doesn't trust his judgement either and even disregard him - this is a central theme, it's also mirrored in the past at his first defeat at the hands of Hashirama: he lays on the ground and discloses that not even the younger, more fervent warriors among the clan would follow in his footsteps.

Madara is ultimately an unloved man.

2) At the timing of the founding, rumours had begun to circulate. The calumny that propagates from mouth to mouth only damages him further and this malicious gossip also ineluctably ruins his clan's reputation too, especially in years to come.

All in all, considering these factors, I don't think he ever experienced the joy of being truly loved — the closest thing he had to love was Hashirama (and whether this is to be interpreted as romantic or platonic, we'll never truly know, and personally I think it was the latter though I wouldn't exclude the former a priori - what I can say, is that if Madara bore romantic sentiments towards Hashirama, I doubt they were were mutual and reciprocated).

As for the existence of a s/o: I'm guessing that if he did have a childhood friend to whom he grew fond of, they most probably died before the birth of Konoha. That loss could even have represented the driving catalyst to awakening the MS. I'm aware Itachi stated that Madara activated that power by slaughtering someone he was close to, but Itachi also stated that he forcefully took Izuna's eyes again his will which we know to be false.

Now to the hypotheticals — had Madara truly felt unconditional love for someone, I think his nihilistic philosophy on the world would never have been developed. He's a man that can feel, perceive, experience love on an unquestionably deep level. The way I view his character before he morphs and chooses the path of perdition, is that love to him is cathartic.

Yes he had read the stone tablet and the seed of darkness began to bloom in virtue of the revelations he came to understand through those ancient writings, but had there been something so mortally beautiful and humbling worth living for and protecting, I doubt he would have chosen to become a rogue ninja in search of a means to figuratively liberate humanity.

If you add into the equation that his s/o was also carrying HIS child, it would have completely tipped his perspective and overthrown him. The love he harboured for his family and his brother was blinding - I can't see how it could be any different if a child entered his realm. I fully believe that his family nucleus would become the centre of his universe.

And I also think that had that become a reality, nothing could have swayed him either. Not the stone tablet, nor Zetsu's manipulative words, not Hashirama's gradual distance. I feel that Madara would have been a very "love conquers all" kind of man.

But the things is, he was never truly loved by anyone — perhaps by Izuna who in a final act of devotion, admiration and love for his brother and his clan, gave his eyes so Madara would, not-so-metaphorically, never "lose the light".

It's heart breaking that, in the end, lost it anyway as he succumbed to darkness and despair and was to all effects unable to to carry out his little brother's last dying wishes.

Unloved by all, plagued by loss and continuous failure, all Madara possesses by the end are broken promises and desperation - he is intrinsically the ultimate "loser".

Your wrong because it's just assumption no evidence like panel bc we know uchiha were very minimalist and stick to simplicity especially how sasuke and itachi live to simply than other people, it's just uchiha's nature ,they are just simple and traditional and care more about loved ones than senju's over decoration and superficiality and symbol, even though they have sharingan they never copy others jutsu, they love their clan heritage and proud of it, that's why they did not wear armor but they surely have large swords, those armor just senju's traditional clothing and senju doesn't have kekgentai advantage that's why they always seek new power through others or experiment whereas uchiha proud of their sharingan and clan culture that bind them unlike senju who has no common bloodline traits.

from naruto wiki trivia-

"During the Warring States Period, the Uchiha refused to have any armour on their back in order to proudly display their clan's symbol."

even uchiha that killed hashirama's brother did not wear any armor but hashirama's brother did, it's just clan's traditional clothing style nothing can determine its poor economic indication.

hashirama said neighboring countries meaning both were get hired and paid equally such as" lightening daimyo hired uchiha clan once" now back to the point, uchiha started to lose when izuna died and madara abandon some uchiha on the battle field, that's how uchiha stop trusting madara and defectors started to senju, madara became a bad leader after izuna's death and fell to despair, and then there stealing izuna's eyes rumor, all of these reason why uchiha stopped trusting madara and choose to faith in hashirama, madara was not in best condition after izuna's death, that's why he was bitter towards hashirama when he did not confront Tobirama or defend madara and uchiha from tobirama's bias talking and also uchiha are far more emotional than senju, they prioritize more their family , so loss of many caused them to pacifist for the time being why they don't want to follow madara and why they agreed to surrender to senju, mostly bc they feel more pain from losing their loved ones than senju.

Uchih who believed in their own jutsu and sharingan and loved their clan bc they value their comrades and family more than senju, whereas senju value more on their vision and goal or objective and symbols

Hashirama’s and Madara’s viewpoints

Neither Hashirama nor Madara were able to achieve their dream. Hashirama perceives this as natural because how much a person can achieve while they’re alive is limited. That’s why it’s essential that people entrust the rest to those who come after them. 

Madara admits to Hashirma that he might be right about that because his dream lives on, unlike Madara’s dream. 

Hashirama admonishes Madara for not acknowledging the limits of his capability and neglecting to properly teach those who would follow him. Madara could have entrusted his dream to them.

However, that would have been beyond Madara’s capabilites because he always hated having people follow behind him.

it's easy for hashirama as he has no problem killing children, committing genocide for village sake where madara knew tobirama how militaristic mindset he had, he would never treat madara or other uchiha equally, madara at that time only wanted 2 things

protecting children and living with hashirma in peace

and his clan safety; all shattered with with betrayal with hashirama and tobirama's distrust, so how can he entrust anyone with his clan refusal he has no one left to entrust with hashi tobi's betrayal he found himself alone and hopeless this is why he did not believe in entrusting because he lost or see dead people too much which forced him in despair, because he is emotional he could not take it but hashirama can because his main interest is symbol call village not inhabitants living in the village they can be killed, disposable and die at any time for village sake

Madara admits to Hashirma that he might be right about that because his dream lives on, unlike Madara’s dream. 

but hashirama is not right because the system he created built on lies or deceit which will face wars and tragedy time to time, what lives on there dishonest glorification without informing about their dark aspects and history, it's no different than fascist religious belief, difference in real life at one time it would be exposed but in narutoverse konoha would make sure to do anything not to expose, so it's no different that madara's moon of the eye plan all based upon emotional manipulation, it was disgusting how naruto manipulates sarada and boruto into thinking they should die for konoha, really sickening, at least madara stopped war by all nations come together so his dream came true, he is a selfless twisted person who never seek glory, to him he is doing it for peace where no one will die again similar to shinobi village system peace but in there case through the years more people will die but in moon of the eye plan everyone will be unharmed and eternal; village so called greater goods, so is madara's, this is why hashirma's dream may live on, but its premise was full lies and deceit and lack of honesty, it has no value, madara never wanted glory

Hashirama admonishes Madara for not acknowledging the limits of his capability and neglecting to properly teach those who would follow him. Madara could have entrusted his dream to them.

how can hashirama say so when he could not understand madara, talked behind his back even tho madara and the clan trusted him in return madara backstabbed, his brother recently died how can he endure betrayal in such a critical moment, when even uchiha can not comprehend how tobiram and his minions can be dangerous, madara can not, most people deny him both his clan and hashirma, he has nothing left to live for only eye of the moon plan, he trusted them but backstabbed in most painful time, he has no one to entrusted his dream to similar to sasuke, people dear to him leave him, betray and deny him

However, that would have been beyond Madara’s capabilites because he always hated having people follow behind him.

it's not true when hashirama revived hope in madara he started to envision to protect future generation , his clan and village children meaning he was slowly getting ready to entrust his vision to next uchiha clan generation but tobirama's dialogue and clan rejection turned them into his beyond capabilities term,

nor naruto and hashirma had to face such complicated issues like madra and sasuke because hashi did not loose his brother and his twisted vision of peace and others extensive harsh and radical decision and acts gave naruto so many advantages that he did not need to do anything just stand there and fight and more ever he had nepotistic and brainwashing people like jiraiya and iruka have behind him which luxury madara and sasuke did not have,

it was shown that the more you endure oppression the more it cost loss of your something precious, this is why madara would have lived, entrusted his will if uchiha clan showed full trust in him, his dreams might lives on through them that, "always show what inside you have like a buddy without no deception" and "how saving every person lives is so important, meaning village is created to protect children and lives and everyone should protect each with mutual cooperation"

as madara never wanted the any losers or shadow(which is why he went for moon of the eye plan where everyone is equal, no one will be extension of others especially during love, sacrifice, loss, hate regards), this would be madara's will that would transcend or be entrusted to his next generation uchiha children

This segment is often ignored but I like it so much because it shows a glimpse of how ninja society changed in the era of peace (Blank Period-Boruto era). So some changes that happens are :

- Academy students don’t have to be a ninja 

- They can give up or fail graduation exam and will not be mocked for it (unlike Naruto in the past)

- There’s mention of “Former Ninjas” meaning that probably many ninjas are capable to quit being shinobi in peaceful era, probably because of the decreasing demand for shinobi

- Ninjutsu are widely used on non-military routine tasks.

- It’s explained in the novel, but now there’s rule “don’t kill but restrain” in ninja world, so now it’s heavily forbidden for ninjas to kill each other. So now ninjas are not “mercenaries”, at least most of them.

- Now that shinobi’s QoL are improved rapidly, I hope that bunshin will not create employment issues.

It’s so different from old bloody grime that is Naruto era. Kakashi’s era is worse, Jiraiya’s era is much worse, Hashirama’s era is much much worse. Interesting that the dream started with Hashirama (and Madara)’s era, yet the improvement is not instantaneous, but needs many steps. Still, I hope that we will know more about how Konoha and ninja world in general developed from military state into Metropolis during Blank period but Naruto franchise is primary about shounen fighting so oh well.

Some info from novels, spoiler warning for Retsuden series

In Chapter 1

“There are already a lot of things in the Country of Fire, so if they want something, it’s probably land, natural resources or technology. You can buy all of that with money, and buying things with money is much less dangerous than killing people for something, hence nobody dies, which is often cheaper than war.”

lol but how would they get that money, in this way why we even need shinobi meaning kakashi and naruto should turn the village into normal village no shinobi needed, lol hashirama could have thought like that with madara without tobirama's bull shite and why naruto even need to assign children to b rank missions if that's how it is lol crappy writing, no pure logic

“Because this perception pervades among people, the possibility of war is much lower. Instead, economic wars will emerge as the times require.” 

just like how tobirama started political war behind madara's uchiha's back , this is why shinobi uinion exist for balnce economic trade yet iwa country face time to time food shortage crisis, with small villages exist wars would eventually happen if there is no mutual trade or economical organization exist

“That’s not true.” Kakashi shook his head. “Ninja schools that train shinobi still exist to protect the country. They haven’t been able to eradicate crime, and there are terrorist groups who try to break the balance between countries. Still, it’s safe to say that the threat of great wars between nations almost disappeared… unless a leader makes a major mistake in decision-making or a new group of malicious creatures appears (*cough*Ootsutsuki aliens*cough*).” Kakashi relaxed. “I just read what was written in this book in front of me.”

why do you need ninja schools for that, create military camp where adult shinobi being stationed and no children needs to be shinobi they can just master in ninjutsu and when they are enough aged to make their own decision will decide whether to be a ninja or not, seems like they still encouraged vulnerable children to be shinobi soldiers, with technology non shinobi people can become soldier like land of iron samurai, honestly they don't need ninja school for mission and fighting but for chakra usage or tech or others but when they become mature to make their own choice will decide what to be, i see not much personal autonomy for children and shinobi people yet

In Chapter 3 

This man was once a ninja in the Land of Fire. He served as an official during the time of the Sixth Hokage. The fusion of science and technology that was developed in the time of the Sixth Hokage suddenly allowed ordinary people to use the skills of shinobi that had been handed down since ancient times.

as it should be there was always economic and innovative boom after larger wars, in this case ninja population crisis exist, so they focus on alternative for their survival as daimyo would not provide enough budget without violence, wars and shinobi missions so they taught of using ninjutsu like indra and ashura used, it would have been more nicer if they could create tech like lightning chakra infused tech device and sell them, with their power they could have been rich but no they have to glorify there shitty ancestors this is why must preserve the system without much ideological reform of WOF and konoha's legal and law related issues

Before becoming Hokage, Kakashi only knew how to kill. Although he sometimes knows how to keep the other party alive and detain them in custody, they are basically tortured with severe pain, so their well-being is not his priority (made me remember Anbu Kakashi arc episode when he was scolded because he didn’t keep any enemy alive, earning the name “Cold-Blooded Kakashi). With the changes of the times, the country is stable, and "do not kill but restrain" has become a new rule in the ninja world. It is Kakashi himself, who is the Sixth generation of Hokage, who is troubled and confused about how to formulate and implement this rule. For this reason, he also consulted Iruka, who has become the principal of the Ninja School, and was laughed a lot. But what Iruka said later, Kakashi remembered word by word in his heart.

"Don't worry, it may not seem like it, but Ninja Academy also teaches other things besides shinobi education. For example, technique that puts the enemy to sleep immediately, technique that makes the enemy stiff, whether it is old tricks or new tricks, we all have those good hereditary or handed down techniques.

what kind of enemy they refer to vulnerable kekgenkai children why not they work with all villages to track down these shinobi so that they would not become enemy especially making some survey or database of these shinobi similar ryogi and shin clones, you have so many skilled ninja to do quickly, sasuke alone can track down these people, then you don't need to use restrain or kill, but adult ones must punish if its serious for creating deterrent , sasuke injured 1000 people without killing, shinobi don't need to kill unless they extremely powerful like akatsuki or ninja tech or kekegenkai trope, guess they think a academy children with high chakra can be refer to enemy to them, ryogi treatment proves that, but for that nor they need to kill or restrain just capture if the person is not maniac like orchimaru, restrain and kill do not need as secrecy culture stopped

Naruto Retsuden

In Chapter 3

“I’m not familiar with shinobi, but I know that there are two, by far the most powerful human beings existing among shinobi. One of them is you, and the other one is Sasuke. The reason why the five great nations were able to stop the war is because you two wanted peace. The Sixth Hokage focused more on developing the economy to stabilise the country than on military (like the Fifth Hokage did). It was very difficult to adjust like that, but it became a success because of all the backers. It also acts as a deterrent to war. Hatake Kakashi built the peace of the present by making good use of the economic development.”

how actually did he develop economy by shinobi mission, daimyo budget or simple trade of chakra, ninjutsu or normal goods, it seems there is no exclusive currency for trade meaning all mutually divided shinobi missions by shinobi union or daimyo budget, he did not develop or reform any economic, social or legal, its all just rebuilding then used those skyscrapers for tax and real estate or hiring business then there train service, but really he did not do any significant change, he was forced to go alternative for survival but did not really change anything that really give him credit most wisely he just rebuilt, sustain and preserve without necessary reform and transformation which was needed when you think how oppressed many shinobi were throughout konoha history

Before the reign of the Sixth Hokage, chakra was only used as a tool in battle for a long time. It was an era when protecting the country was the highest priority. But now it’s different. Modern scientists can devote themselves to their research. Our research results aren’t judged by whether they are useful or not as tools for war. Many scientists are grateful to you for creating this peace.”

but shikimaru shinden novel tells you that naruto did not come out with solid technique or long term plan to bind nation together, shinobi uinion solidarity can be broken and he thinks next generation will be as strong as him to become symbol of peace, that's stupid he is doing same mistake as hashirama and hiruzen, everything at the mecy of hokage and naruto, can create war any times , feels like naratives will become plot device for naruto's stupid sob story based solution which is not workable in the long run what about mtual disscusion or binding with mutual benefit and sharing, this peace of naruto world is like mixture of pain, sasuke and madara's moon of the eye plan, core theme get destroyed

This segment is often ignored but I like it so much because it shows a glimpse of how ninja society changed in the era of peace (Blank Period-Boruto era). So some changes that happens are :

- Academy students don’t have to be a ninja 

- They can give up or fail graduation exam and will not be mocked for it (unlike Naruto in the past)

- There’s mention of “Former Ninjas” meaning that probably many ninjas are capable to quit being shinobi in peaceful era, probably because of the decreasing demand for shinobi

- Ninjutsu are widely used on non-military routine tasks.

- It’s explained in the novel, but now there’s rule “don’t kill but restrain” in ninja world, so now it’s heavily forbidden for ninjas to kill each other. So now ninjas are not “mercenaries”, at least most of them.

- Now that shinobi’s QoL are improved rapidly, I hope that bunshin will not create employment issues.

It’s so different from old bloody grime that is Naruto era. Kakashi’s era is worse, Jiraiya’s era is much worse, Hashirama’s era is much much worse. Interesting that the dream started with Hashirama (and Madara)’s era, yet the improvement is not instantaneous, but needs many steps. Still, I hope that we will know more about how Konoha and ninja world in general developed from military state into Metropolis during Blank period but Naruto franchise is primary about shounen fighting so oh well.

Some info from novels, spoiler warning for Retsuden series

(i always felt like after the war shinobi system should have totally removed turned the village like hot spring village who don't need no shinobi or revision in age limits, clan treatment, civilian treatment, shinobi ranks, hokage selection and its authority and does everyone have platform to say about their opinion about certain thing about hokage or their respective rights or improvement, did they have court or social activism, equal rights etc. because most of the problem in main series happened because of distrust, inequality, power imbalance and brainwashing and propaganda that fed to people of the village, story abandoned the main issues of series, justice has not been served to oppressed of the main series, even in boruto shinobi and former hokage are glorified and no truth and lesson of the past being taught or teaching everyone what peace means and how excessive shinobi system destroyed past , they still hide the dark sides of the WOF and shinobi system and it culture and how kage have no accountability for their misdeeds, we still punish nazi and others as much as we can but naruto world even in boruto you can have no legal issues aginst if you are with the village authority and the kage)

academy students don't have to be a ninja its natural because most of the skilled fighting shinobi died there are no one to entrust like iruka did to naruto and feudal lords investing more on other sources as lack of old skilled shinobis in the village from recent novel naruto retsuden, but what about age limit for these courses, as we know ninjutsu can be dangerous, only chakra or ninshu are harmless

you said about academy student but what about some very skilled shinobi especially in adult age can they gave up being ninja suddenly or will be punished we don't know, never showed deeply, in what term they can quit being a ninja, there can be exception, we know hokage has the ultimate authority, he can decline anyone's request, so no fair or legal rights for them has shown and can they leave the village permanently?

former ninja can be mean who used to fight in war, as i said most ninja population died, no wars no mission no profit so they switch to different professions even in dark era many used to do non shinobi works, it's not a big deal, i don't understand why do they even need shinobi culture, it should have been banned creates police and especial military for inside use who will not be stationed in only konoha but in whole land of fire and border police and especial ninjutsu fighter to counter aliens, this is why all shinobi villages should turn into like hot spring village named yugakure

ninjutsu usage is not the problem here because dark times they used to do so but it did not generate much profit for which they can not sustain shinobi lifestyle now that they are less shinobi and you hashirama cells like many miracles its easy for one person to use without many shinobi, what kind of law regarding it, can shinobi used for their personal trade or can they sell it to other village , did hokage give these people freedom operating freely is the main issue that needs to highlight not through other's dialogue

restrain in what manner or term, in what conduct, we have seen ryogi like rogue kekegenkai kid sent to prison who was victim yet shin clones go to orphanage but they try to kidnap sarada, weird contradiction for naruto's term meaning there are no especial term and consideration for 'restrain' operation, no highlight

naturally it would improve since after every war there will be economy boom similar to real life but what about small villages like amagakure or former shinobi like kawaki's father, they said so many shinobi died yet they could not track down impoverished shinobi like kawaki's father with the help of shinobi union,

may not be mercenary but in recent boruto chapter konohamaru forcefully evicts civilians from luxurious house for eida's accommodation, similar to mercenary work.

its peaceful when most of your shinobi population died that you can not sustain ninja village or lifestyle turn to alternatives yet wars would eventually happen as long as small villages not included in 5 kage summit or shinobi village stop being dependent on feudal lords mercy and budget, shikimaru shinden is reminder of that, why not become a normal village whose main objective should be using chakra only or some non fatal useful ninjutsu not any violent shinobi works

Thing is Sasuke's revolution had its merits, we know through many revolution and lessons of violent wars and loss and human greed today we achieve constitutional republic where also prioritizes lives and rights of minorities like uchiha clan civilains(not rebellious faction who planned the coup but innocent children like izumi uchiha and yashiro's 7 years old son who did not agree and know about the coup) or vulnerable and naive child like rin and ryogi and boruto who would indoctrinate to the system without knowing truth of shinobi past, even think of its honorable to die for the village, sad ending,conclusion and execution and future. That's why support sasuke's revolution, his first task to create deterrent and make 5 villages hate him and some might fight against him and defeat them only killing the strongest shinobi would be enough to slowly shinobi losing their desire to fight against him and but they will stick together for assistance and in case of shortage of power if sasuke attacked suddenly with that sentimental fear, then slowly sasuke would go for social,law related change then political then with progress go for the economical change and they go for the continental and international change thus totally destroy the shinobi system and past, only new way chakra usage with strict laws and regulation for every sides with equal footing so that no one used it for wrong purpose or be questioned immediately, sasuke needs only 60-100 years to destroy this system and create another one to make people used to the new system without no existence of shinoi army,ranks,missions or structure or kage dictatorship, for that long he needs to acquire immortality and reincarnation with powerful able bodied chakra power like demi god of shinobi only problem jigen and momo even he can destroy kara organization completely.