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But the Brandon Roger's black face thing infuriates me. For so many reasons.

1. It's been confirmed that it was dragged up by a person who didn't do it in good faith. It came from an account who shit on Viv in general and seems to like starting drama.

2. The video has been addressed and apologized for by Brandon and deleted. He has since then not done it again.

3. Brandon's brand is offensive and controversial.. This is by far not the only offensive thing he's done because that's the kind of humour he does. He jokes about child molesters, transgenderism, asians, disabilities etc.. Etc.. He's a dark humor comedian. He, himself, have not shown to be shitty outside of it.

As a controversial comedian, finding out where the limits are is part of it. What can you joke about, what can't you joke about? I, myself, think that anything can be joked about if it's not in bad faith, but not everyone agrees. He was 19 at the time, most likely not knowing that this was a limit considering he jokes about offensive things all around.

When he realized that it WAS too far, he took it down and apologized. Despite doing this kind of humour, he listened when he went too far. I, personally, think that's a fantastic trait.. Cus god knows it's much more common to see people double down.

4. Are we not gonna allow people to change at all? He didn't hide it, he learned from it and changed. Is that not the goal? It's fine to be upset that it happened.. But holding him accountable for it 18 years down the line doesn't seem productive at all.. It really just seems like people are getting hurt all over again for no reason. It's not relevant anymore. He's not like that, so why?? What's the point?

On a more philosophical note.. I struggle to understand why that's the limit for some people. I know the history of black face, I know why it's vile. That's not what I mean.. But.. Considering Brandon does offensive things overall... Why that particular one? What makes it worse than the rest?

I, personally, didn't see the video and don't know how the joke played out, and maybe that's part of why it was so controversial. But I see people get mad simply because it was black face too, without the context of the video. So.. I don't know, why is that the limit? Feel free to explain cus I'm curious.

Like I said.. I think you can joke about anything if you're a good person when it matters. I also think that you can clock when someone is intentionally harmful instead of joking about the absurdity of it, but I'm not very good at explaining the difference and again.. I didn't see the video so I can't judge the tone of it. I just think that Brandon's reaction is a positive sign.

Anyway... It infuriates me that it seems to have been dragged up in bad faith and got it's intended reaction... It also infuriates me that people aren't allowed to do better. We have different perspectives. A lot of our mistakes comes from ignorance because we don't live in it. We can know it's bad but not how bad and stumble anyway. In that instance, I think it's more important to notice how they react to being told off. That's where you find their intentions, imo. And I will excuse behaviour made without ill intent. Even if the joke was meant to be offensive. Offensive jokes aren't always made with ill intent towards the victims.. Usually dark humor aims to make fun of the perpetrators. We're supposed to agree that the stereotype is offensive and laugh at it's existence and what not..

1. Brandon barely apologized and made a vague response about it. An good apology address what they did wrong (so people can know without having to search to find out), explan why it was wrong, don't downplay or excuse what they did, and promise to change. Brandon didn't do any of this in the apology. The reason why its so important for public figures to do all these steps is because fans would defend their actions and they have a lot of influence.

2. Even if its a good apology and it was a long time ago, nobody HAS to forgive him. If this is enough for someone to stop supporting him or to resent him, then they are right to feel that way.

3. You didn't watch the video, how can you confidently defend something you barely know anything about?

4. The reason why this is the limit for a lot of people because it was an entire 3 minutes of making fun of black people and doing blackface. He put every stereotype possible and even implied that what black people eat are equivalent to shit. Not to mention that blackface is used to reinforce harmful stereotypes about black, which Brandon clearly does.

(List of stereotypes included in the video, black people eating chicken, kool-aid, cornbread, watermelon, and an entire pumpkin raw. Every black character having a gun. Every black character being violent. Having long and stupid names for all the black characters. The white character being the only normal one. And this isn't even all of it.)

5. People ARE bringing up the other things he did, like yellow face.

6. This isn't just not knowing where the limit is, this is a mockery and a whole 3 minutes of it at that.

7. I understand your sympathy towards Brandon but what about the black fans that might have been hurt by this. Not even just black fans but the yellow face, ableism, all of it can really hurt someone and make them feel unwelcomed in fanbases. There was a black cosplayer who was scared to even wear a cosplay because of how racist the TADC fandom been.

First I want to address the point you made here:

However, you do not hold authority over how anyone else feels about it. I have seen people get pretty harassed for forgiving him too. And that isn't okay either.

I agree with this in essence, but I want to point out that this is not something for anyone who isn't black to "forgive." Just because I don't hold this video as an indictment of his whole character doesn't mean I have a place to "forgive" him for this because I'm not black.

And just like people don't have a right to tell us to condemn him for this, it's also not my place to demand black fans overlook this because no matter how long ago it was, the video was still racist and wrong and at 19, he was still old enough to know better.

If a black fan doesn't want to watch Helluva Boss or watch any more of his content because he did blackface, they're well within their right to do so. It's not up to anyone who isn't black to "forgive" him because we weren't the offended party.

I am, however, questioning the motives of bringing it up and reopening a wound that hasn't been relevant in some time. And It's being spread among people without seeing the video too.

This, I actually do agree with. I don't trust the motives of the person who chose to dig through his history specifically to blast him for this. Because there are many people who didn't know he did blackface, which tells me that people either dug through his history to find something to cancel him over, or that they did know he did this, but sat on the information until it was opportune to reopen controversy in the fanbase.

But regardless of whether the person who brought it up had good intentions or not, it's still a gross thing that Brandon did no matter how long ago it was.

They grabbed onto the blackface part of it and ran with that without the context. And understand me correctly here, I just didn't understand why doing blackface was worse than all the other stereotypes and offensive humour he's done. He's known for this kind of humour. You're absolutely allowed to be offended by it and hate him for it.. but this thing became so big despite the fact that he has similar stuff still up that didn't give this big of a reaction. I'm not saying people can't be upset about it, I'm just confused why the outrage came from this specific thing when this is what he's known for? It felt like a hate campaign specifically for him with information that shouldn't really be surprising considering who it's about.

So here's the thing about blackface, it has a long history of extreme racism in the United States. It was often used to paint caricatured images of black people with not only the expressed purpose to mock them, but also to make white people feel better about the oppression they were subjected to in the United States.

Its expressed purpose was degradation and dehumanization of black people to let people feel justified in their oppression of them. Considering the fact antiblack racism is STILL quite terrible in the United States, and that antiblack racism is still NOT taken seriously, the revelation that Brandon Rogers participated in this very thing broke the hearts of a LOT of people.

Yes, Brandon Rogers is known for his edgy humor, but there is a line between edgy humor and punchdown humor and his Blackface skit was a LOT of punchdown humor that justifiably rubbed people the wrong way. Not only because of its racist history, but also the fact that its expressed purpose, dehumanization and degradation of black people, is something that is still happening in the United States.

Dark humour is a fine line to walk. Brandon has been doing a lot of offensive shit because that's what he's about. He's also mostly been an equal opportunity for all - kind of dark comedian. He'd make fun of anyone and everyone. That's what he's known for. And it is for a specific kind of audience. Even for those who he makes fun of. Not everyone who's targeted takes offense to it because we know that isn't the point. He's not telling us what he feels about the people he makes fun of with his humour, like I said dark humour is usually about making fun of the stereotypes or perpetrators in themselves. Which is why he can get so many people to agree to make fun of themselves, most likely.

To address this point, like I said, there is a fine line between dark and edgy humor and punchdown humor. And his blackface skit had a LOT of punchdown humor. Even amongst people who like dark humor, dark jokes targeting black people can be a VERY easy ticket into being straight up racist because of how prevalent antiblack racism and hate crimes still are here.

Here's the thing about you knowing that he's not telling us how he feels about people. Regardless of how he actually feels about these people, the fact still remains that his blackface video WAS making fun of black people themselves.

"He's not telling us what he feels about the people he makes fun of with his humor, like I said dark humor is usually about making fun of the stereotypes or perpetrators in themselves." Not everyone knows that about him and regardless of whether or not you do, people are still allowed to take offense to the video because the video was gross. Second of all, if he was attempting to mock the stereotypes of black people, he did a VERY bad job of that the video ended up just being incredibly racist against black people.

I know you're not trying to come across as dismissive, but I really want you to understand why people were more pissed off about his blackface video and that blackface carries a LOT more sensitive history in the United States.

Just like people don't have a right to tell us to hate Brandon for this video, it is not up to us to tell other people, especially black fans, to get over it.

And saying that this is "just his brand" is not going to cut it. There is a line and he crossed it, and while I also don't trust the intentions of the person who chose to resurface the video, to reiterate my main point with this:

Antiblack racism is not something that is up to any who isn't black to "forgive."

meanwhile, Pomni is apparently the one who can handle Jax and yet, she just enables his shitty behavior and keeps making excuses for him. the only time she gets mad at him is when he starts acting rude to HER specifically.

But the Brandon Roger's black face thing infuriates me. For so many reasons.

1. It's been confirmed that it was dragged up by a person who didn't do it in good faith. It came from an account who shit on Viv in general and seems to like starting drama.

2. The video has been addressed and apologized for by Brandon and deleted. He has since then not done it again.

3. Brandon's brand is offensive and controversial.. This is by far not the only offensive thing he's done because that's the kind of humour he does. He jokes about child molesters, transgenderism, asians, disabilities etc.. Etc.. He's a dark humor comedian. He, himself, have not shown to be shitty outside of it.

As a controversial comedian, finding out where the limits are is part of it. What can you joke about, what can't you joke about? I, myself, think that anything can be joked about if it's not in bad faith, but not everyone agrees. He was 19 at the time, most likely not knowing that this was a limit considering he jokes about offensive things all around.

When he realized that it WAS too far, he took it down and apologized. Despite doing this kind of humour, he listened when he went too far. I, personally, think that's a fantastic trait.. Cus god knows it's much more common to see people double down.

4. Are we not gonna allow people to change at all? He didn't hide it, he learned from it and changed. Is that not the goal? It's fine to be upset that it happened.. But holding him accountable for it 18 years down the line doesn't seem productive at all.. It really just seems like people are getting hurt all over again for no reason. It's not relevant anymore. He's not like that, so why?? What's the point?

On a more philosophical note.. I struggle to understand why that's the limit for some people. I know the history of black face, I know why it's vile. That's not what I mean.. But.. Considering Brandon does offensive things overall... Why that particular one? What makes it worse than the rest?

I, personally, didn't see the video and don't know how the joke played out, and maybe that's part of why it was so controversial. But I see people get mad simply because it was black face too, without the context of the video. So.. I don't know, why is that the limit? Feel free to explain cus I'm curious.

Like I said.. I think you can joke about anything if you're a good person when it matters. I also think that you can clock when someone is intentionally harmful instead of joking about the absurdity of it, but I'm not very good at explaining the difference and again.. I didn't see the video so I can't judge the tone of it. I just think that Brandon's reaction is a positive sign.

Anyway... It infuriates me that it seems to have been dragged up in bad faith and got it's intended reaction... It also infuriates me that people aren't allowed to do better. We have different perspectives. A lot of our mistakes comes from ignorance because we don't live in it. We can know it's bad but not how bad and stumble anyway. In that instance, I think it's more important to notice how they react to being told off. That's where you find their intentions, imo. And I will excuse behaviour made without ill intent. Even if the joke was meant to be offensive. Offensive jokes aren't always made with ill intent towards the victims.. Usually dark humor aims to make fun of the perpetrators. We're supposed to agree that the stereotype is offensive and laugh at it's existence and what not..

1. Brandon barely apologized and made a vague response about it. An good apology address what they did wrong (so people can know without having to search to find out), explan why it was wrong, don't downplay or excuse what they did, and promise to change. Brandon didn't do any of this in the apology. The reason why its so important for public figures to do all these steps is because fans would defend their actions and they have a lot of influence.

2. Even if its a good apology and it was a long time ago, nobody HAS to forgive him. If this is enough for someone to stop supporting him or to resent him, then they are right to feel that way.

3. You didn't watch the video, how can you confidently defend something you barely know anything about?

4. The reason why this is the limit for a lot of people because it was an entire 3 minutes of making fun of black people and doing blackface. He put every stereotype possible and even implied that what black people eat are equivalent to shit. Not to mention that blackface is used to reinforce harmful stereotypes about black, which Brandon clearly does.

(List of stereotypes included in the video, black people eating chicken, kool-aid, cornbread, watermelon, and an entire pumpkin raw. Every black character having a gun. Every black character being violent. Having long and stupid names for all the black characters. The white character being the only normal one. And this isn't even all of it.)

5. People ARE bringing up the other things he did, like yellow face.

6. This isn't just not knowing where the limit is, this is a mockery and a whole 3 minutes of it at that.

7. I understand your sympathy towards Brandon but what about the black fans that might have been hurt by this. Not even just black fans but the yellow face, ableism, all of it can really hurt someone and make them feel unwelcomed in fanbases. There was a black cosplayer who was scared to even wear a cosplay because of how racist the TADC fandom been.

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