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(1:45:20) "I support any headcanons, have fun, do what you want... you don't have to ask 'do you support this?' or 'do you support that?'... your art is about you. We're not gonna support, we're not gonna condemn, it's like - have fun, y'know? We support creativity, we support hard work, we support everybody being chill. Like, the one thing I don't support is anybody going on anybody's twitter or tumblr and saying 'change the way you draw - don't draw this, don't draw that.'" - Alex

"Why would anyone blast someone else for liking-" - Dana

"-whatever, whatever you want-" - Alex

"-anything! it's dumb, it's stupid." - Dana

"Yeah! Like just chill out guys, like it's such a glorious thing to be able to make art, and to create, and to like express yourself. And it's such a waste of time to tell other people what they can or can't draw, should or shouldn't draw, like that's not how art works. the whole point of art is self expression." - Alex

"Art is not about censorship." - Dana

"It's about the person who creates it and what they want to create. And if you don't like it you don't have to look at it. Y'know? It's alright... (joking) there's gonna be somebody that finds a way to spin that in to like, 'oh alex said that if I draw a picture of killing my mom then it's okay.' It's like, yeah it is, draw it in your sketchbook just don't show anybody, but draw what you want." - Alex

"Also, don't do it! (the killing mom thing)" - Dana

"Don't do it! But seriously, like you're not the 'thought police', like you don't have to-" - Alex

"Yeah, yeah this ain't 1984!" - Dana

"Y-yeah, c-c'moooon... someone's gonna write: 'Alex and Dana-" - Alex

"-are thought police!'" - Dana

"-support pedo*hilia.' That's what they're gonna say." - Alex

"Ugh, don't even say it..." - Dana

Okay, the gen side of the Gravity Falls community.

It's weird over there, I'll just come out and say it.

Throwing around a serious word like 'accuse' in the shipping spaces and acting like it's the end of the world because someone said you shipped something that you obviously don't?

I've seen this happen with more than one gen artist, some of whom never even had call outs or posts made about them in the first place and did this purely as a cry for attention and relevancy (not saying everyone does that but it's happened), and boy, you guys are sensitive let me tell you.

Someone tries to say I ship something I don't and you know what I do?

Shrug and ignore them.

I get that's a hard skill to learn and can take a few years to adjust to, but some of these gen people have been in fandom spaces for decades.

Some of these adults, need to stop letting strangers on the internet get to them. They're setting an awful example for the younger generation of fandom coming in and as a side effect are just making things worse by drawing attention to such mundane arguments that they shouldn't have felt the need to "prove" themselves over anyway (I don't care what anyone's following echo chamber says about this in a negative light as a means to display parasocial sympathy to a creator, this is a fact).

It's also sad because this happens in all fandoms not just GF.

And GF literally has a creator that is all for ship and let ship/don't harass mentality (proship if some of you could do the research to get the definition right instead of trying to use it like a bad faith label in some made up war rooted in conservative moralistic purity culture crusade) and so many like to stubbornly ignore that.

Doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on when it comes to shipping, there's always going to be bad apples on either side. You don't promote the rot by paying attention to them, you do you and make what you want.

Unless it's purely the attention you want and you simply want to be popular, rather than creating because it makes you happy, I don't see how stupid things such as a disagreement on shipping stance can be taken seriously.

The only time it should be is when it's being used to try and hurt a real person (ie, someone is making art of you or a sona in a hateful or mean manner with bad intent with regards to a ship you don't like, or someone tries to make ship art of something you knowingly dislike and tries to pass it off as yours, or someone is trying to base who you are as a person "morality" wise on a ship vs ship argument - which is completely subjective in the first place based on the ship's context and therefore shouldn't be used that way - and pass it off as fact, etc).

All that should matter is how you treat others how you want to be treated. And if someone tries to start crap, you block and move on.

Simple.

There is no need to be that serious and make a big deal out of it when it's something as inconsequential as "this person said I like this and I don't", instead of it being: "This person is trying to harass and hurt me by making these things involving me against my will".

Don't become a bad apple yourself.

I have no respect for billford shippers that look down on stancest shippers.

Oh what, you’d have me believe a genetic tie to a partner is somehow worse than being with someone that stabs through your hands, forces you to swallow live spiders, and also SA’s you by having yourself forcibly strip down in public and swing your clothes over your head like a helicopter? (sorry but anyone that forcibly removes your clothes and exposes your body, even if you’re a guy/lacking breasts and it’s just your chest, is committing SA against you. They’re exposing your body against your will plain and simple. Try to write that off how you like but that’s the facts)

The logic behind this baffles me honestly.

There’s a reason Alex titled that kissing drawing as "the worst drawing in the world" and then linked to an amazon BIBLE page (yeah I know that was part of a joke well guess what he frequently uses the bible joke for shipping in general so yeah).

Because he knows it’s BAD, TOXIC, PROBLEMATIC AS YOU GUYS LIKE TO LABEL THINGS. What I see people incorrectly accuse PROSHIPPERS to REPRESENT rather than the actual representation of the LIVE AND LET LIVE CREDO OF SHIPPING.

Ever stop to consider that maybe Alex didn’t do stancest or art involving Wendy/Dipper because he simply a) didn’t like those ships, which is valid since everyone has their own tastes, and he did base some of these characters on his own family so it’s close to home for him, or b) knows how toxic and chronically online a lot of haters are? That he wanted to avoid drama for this stream that he’s trying to milk every cent out of for CHARITY? (It's ridiculous how many times he felt obligated to say "REMEMBER IT'S FOR CHARITY" when shipping came up just to try and prevent any meltdowns from uptight fans and viewers. And even then he still didn't do some because he knew the fact of it being for charity still wouldn't fly for some- because a lot of people would rather watch REAL PEOPLE SUFFER to preserve their fictional sensitivities)

Not to mention he still works with Disney (chibiverse hello), any backlash (the form of false pedo accusations or incest apologist accusations being what happens to be thrown around all willy nilly nowadays over fictional bullshit) could get him blocked not only from working with the company ever again, but lose any input he might have over his beloved passion project and baby Gravity Falls itself?

This is a man who has said COUNTLESSLY that he doesn’t care about ships, has even encouraged people to "be weirder" and made omelet hypotheticals for how much HE DOESN’T CARE BECAUSE FICTIONAL SHIPS DON’T MATTER.

Alex Hirsch is a KING.

And it’s sad to see that so many of his loyal subjets are so bigoted and blind to ignore his own feelings in order to justify their own, or to somehow perform the mental gymnastics in order to absolve themselves of "thought crimes" so that they can feel like they aren’t bad people under the imposition of conservative purity culture.

The terms "cest" and "age" are trigger words now. If those show up in any form, pitchforks come out and roofs get burned. Companies overreact and overcompensate. He said Disney people were watching, so of course he’s gonna say and act in what is deemed an appropriate manner because even companies apparently prefer abusive relationships to ones that have a blood tie even if blood ties are wholesomely depicted.

The age old double standards.

And don’t get me started on bringing up Dipper Goes To Taco Bell. Alex and cast know of that story, they’ve made references to it in a video game and such, immortalized it. They engage with all corners of their fandom, also shown by Jason’s "saving the town" reference on stream.

Another thing, anyone notice how they laughed off the Dipper and Wendy suggestion Jason made, rather than exploded? BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE IT'S NOT THAT SERIOUS - and most likely turned them down because they know there's more drama about characters being aged up and crap so it wouldn't have mattered if they're adults now, there are people who will always see them as "kids".

Point is - If there was such a strong hate on Alex’s part about the darker side of fiction or taboos he’d do all in his power to make sure they were never mentioned again and be active against them. 

He’s a kind, caring man that obviously likes to just get along with people, but he does put his foot down when he feels something is awful. He’s made political posts about presidents he feels are corrupt and spoken out against social injustice. You honestly think he wouldn’t speak out about those taboo ships in frank language if he thought that they shouldn’t exist and that the people who create for them are awful?

Newsflash, he would. Yes, he’d isolate a sadly small part of his fanbase, but he’s shown time and again he doesn’t care about being liked. He cares about what’s right.

And abusing others over which made up character kisses who, isn’t.

If you’re someone that mislabels proshippers too, to mean "problematic shippers", then as a billford shipper you’re one by definition. And yes, I'm including you AU billford shippers too because there is always some degree of toxicity.