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Hot take: cringe culture isn't dead and that's bc SebaCiels are keeping it alive

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I (pettily I admit) called out someone on YouTube for having Sebaciel in their username and they responded with by saying that they used Sebaciel to describe their dark and messed up relationship and that it was in no way romantic. And like... even if that's true, (which... doubt) why would you use their romantic ship name in your username?! Especially with hearts on either side of it?! I'm flabbergasted, I can't believe that ship is alive in 2019.
hey! i apologize for getting to this ask so late. i’m currently in the midst of clearing my inbox, and i hadn’t even realized this message was there! thank you for sending in an ask.
first off, you’re doing god’s work. (or any deity you want to replace that with, really.) it feels as if sebaciel fans are always running rampant in youtube comment sections. i remember receiving an ask on this blog before with someone mentioning how the kuro fans completely overran the comment section of one of buzzfeed unsolved’s videos about... jack the ripper, if i recall correctly? imagine scrolling down to the comment section to meme something ryan said, only to find 1073938933993 comments that all roughly translate to ‘I WANT TO FUCK SEBASTIAN XD’ and ‘CIEL AND SEBASTIAN ARE IN LOVE 🤪’. gross.
second.. any way you slice it, sebaciel is inherently sexual. even the way yana has drawn certain bits of the story feel.. uncomfortable to observe. (exempli gratia- the corset scene, the asthma scene in book of circus.. the entirety of season one, although it wasn’t directed by yana to my knowledge...?) i certainly don’t think that you can just slap the tag ‘this extremely oversexualised relationship is NOT sexual in my eyes because i think their (uwu) dark and dismal relationship is just platonic!’ on the pairing and move on. i think in some forms, the concept is groovy. an au where seb isn’t a complete abusive asshole. maybe one where seb is ciel’s father, and that’s all. no weird fanfiction materiel. just his loving dad who wants the best for his son. (and even sometimes that’s a little iffy.)
also. i’m going to change my youtube @ to ‘💕sebaciellover69💕’ and then vehemently defend myself every time someone asks me if it’s a little weird by loudly proclaiming that it’s only platonic. find me commenting on old daggerfall and morrowind shitpost vids with completely unrelated topics.
this is so fucking FUNNY who made this i just wanna talk
Honestly again thank you you are like 10 blog i thanked for existing cuz i thought i was only one against sebaciel momment I was in fandom i was creeped out by this ship with age gap
no, thank you! i apologize if this response is late- i’ve been on a break from tumblr for quite a bit and i haven’t been checking inbox messages on any of my blogs. but, all the same, there are so many lovely people that inbox me and i appreciate every one of them! (the sebaciel fans in my notes are a personal favorite because of how incredibly ominous they are half of the time).
unfortunately, it feels like a great deal of the sebaciel fans are young, and the concept of how strange and predatory a relationship like that is, is, unfortunately, just not applicable in their minds. adults who condone it, however, are an entirely different story. (like, gross. but amplified by ten.)
i’m sending you well-wishes on your fandom journeys. here’s to hoping you’ll encounter only kind individuals!
about that 32+ year old t-stray who is highly associated with ciel star/evan
i wouldn’t be talking about t-stray if he wasn’t already highly associated with ciel star, had known him for 4+ years, saw the ins and outs of his “kin” bullshit grooming tactics, and knew that evan was talking to underage kids in those groups as well… and was literally there when I spoke to evan for the first time to agree or not to agree to doctrinaire me into that group while I was underaged. he says he didn’t know what went on during that period of time, but that is literally bullshit for the fact of how many people he did that same tactic with many other indivuals who knew evan, and became of a victim of his. basically he knew much more than he lets on about evan, and saw A EXTREME amount of the grooming that went on throughout the events.
he made some fanfic with some whole ass pedophile chromehoplite, just a regular pedophile in the seba/ciel fandom.. nothing shocking, but like i said i’m talking about this because it’s related to evan. t-stray talked about making a comic about a “aged” up ciel, who in canon is a young child, to justify his rights to sexualize a child because he aged him up for the specific reason of sexualizing him and of course- t-stray said that is not the case.. and it’s for just the purpose of writing ciel in more “mature” situations.
here is something t-stray said about the “fic”:
- Rust & Stardust is not a “pedo fic”, the main characters are adults, it’s an alternate universe where all characters are (sound and look as) adults. There’s no child sexualization and not an implicit attempt (at some antis seem to think) to imagine Ciel as a child, in a sexual situation, while writing it, literally, that defiles the purpose of what an underage character may have a “charm for a pedo” the fact they are depicted as adults. I refuse to accept now that authors are not allowed to age up characters because they are thinking of them as a child, is bold to believe being a mind reader and quite an inquisition-mindset to asume all who do are trying to automatically normalize pedophilia by creating content.
“depicted” as adults.. is bullshit. want to know why i believe that? is because a minor can be thought of as a adult because of how they look physically. it happens often, we see someone who looks older, we think their an adult.. but it happens to be they are underage. that happens all the time, that’s reality. not every minor looks like how t-stray defines “looking like a child”… beside that, here is something he drew of “aged” up ciel:
the op post is linked here but it has nsfw in it, i blocked out some of it, but the tags are very important. ciel is a child, you are just “aging” which just basically means fitting a child into a “grown man” body so you can treat it as though its not inherientally pedophillia.. bc he’s a “man” now. anyways, here is something he said about critism (people telling him hes a pedophile for it)
here is another thing t-stray said in this following post he made:
- It seems is being assumed I’m a shipper since I have shipper friends, part of being an adult is knowing you can be friends with someone without agreeing on their tastes. Enough said, I want to create content without involving any “ship fawn” or romantic content, I want to explore other types of narrative. Stop putting me in the same bag only because I collab with other creators that do like the ship.´This kind of bigotry is insane, I’ve been called pedophile only for saying I don’t hate shippers. Content creators are bieng pushed away from the fandom because none wants to recieve death threats and accusations of real child abuse over a drawing they made or a fic they wrote. The human spectrum is huge and has a lot more complications than “being on my side or not”
the person, chromehoplite, he is co-writing this fanfic of a “aged up” ciel has written countless pedophilic writings about ciel, “aged up” or not. t-stray drew those drawings above for chromehoplite to go with this writing which is nsfw. regular sebaciel pedophiles… just the whole thing, but what t-stray said is being “assumed as a shipper bc i have shipper friends”… you don’t just collab with these creators, you draw them pedophilic art to fit that narrative. being friends with pedophiles, and knowing full well they are a pedophile- makes you also a full whole ass pedophile.. because you see nothing wrong with it.. and continue to make material for them. evan had the same rhetoric he shared publically, fiction vs reality, and thinking that as long as the child is aged up to a adult.. you can fictionally sexualize it. it’s clear how that worked out for him.
unforunately the reality of the black butler fandom, is it is 90% filled with adults who cosume and create pedophilic content. i’m sure if you have been in the fandom long enough (or just seen the tag for 1 minute) you can for sure see that is the case….. we of course can’t take down every single pedophile in the fandom sense there are way to many of them to count, and evan/ciel star is one of them as we all know now. what i want to say is that i believe full well that t-stray is just as complict to the crimes that happened under his watch while being close with ciel star/ evan, because he allowed evan to constantly bring in more and more new underage minors into the kin groups. he was the reason i was APPROVED to be brought into evan’s group, and including many other people.
EDIT: ALSO! quick note, t-stray kinned sebastian at the time of knowing each other, and is infact why they were so close in the first place which gives more to the “sebaciel fantasy”. evan and t-stray did have sexual history. there is sufficent proof to prove this from many people who were around both of them when they were together. this among many other things, is something important to keep in mind. thank you
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if you have anymore information regarding t-stray, please feel free to talk to me.

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I get back on tumblr to look at your blog because boy do I love you clowning on the sebaciel shippers and find your icon to be Zevran can you be anymore iconic
bro this is so sweet! i hope you’re having a lovely day.
i rlly don’t have any images relating to kuro for an icon, so... why not zev? (origins is still the best dragon age even in 2019.)
i keep forgetting to update this blog so there really hasn’t been much content- for which i’m sorry. let’s hope i can find more meme-worthy sebaciel cringe soon.
i first got into black butler when i was like 12 or smth... i immediately shipped sebaciel and like looking back on it... i kinda wanna throw up. i first stopped w/ that shit once an actual adult called me out on that fuckery when i was like 13 and i realized how fucked up it was. like everyone i was around were 100% cool and encouraging about it and it just makes me feel so nasty thinking about it. and most of them were adults too.. sebaciel is so toxic and gross and just... why is it a thing
yeah!! like... it’s so heavily encouraged within the fandom? it’s so gross. i can totally get like,,, thirteen year olds (or around that age range) yelling abt their fave ship (in this case, sebaciel) together (most ppl don’t know any better- i made a lot of cringe choices when i was 13) but.. actual adults encouraging kids abt it? that’s disgusting, and it happens frequently. shipping can be a rlly cool thing! but when ppl start shipping irl ppl (aka dan & phil, shane & ryan, members of exo, etc...) or delving into the sibling / sibling, adult / child, or just straight-up fetishizing (mostly gay ships lol) it’s just... not a good time anymore. thank you!
Okay but I just really wanted to say that your blog makes me so happy and I've barely grinned as much as I have reading your posts please never stop bashing on this fandom- Like, omg I think I love you????? hhhhh
aww ty!! ily too! bashing the kuro fandom can be rlly entertaining sometimes tbh ㅠ_ㅠ
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Ur blog is a beacon of hope because I got so attached to the show because I was his age (12) and related to his PTSD and then I turn around and all of these pedos are romanticizing his trauma? No joke i went to see book of Atlantic and these ppl start awwwhing when Ciel is having a panic attack/flashback and he grabs Sebastian in a fit. I still guiltily love the manga/anime but goddamn!! The fandom is fucking unhealthy and invalidating!
thank you!! that's honestly so valid though- sometimes people just can't grasp the fact that maybe it's gross that they're sexualizing a kid?? i saw book of atlantic last year in theatre too & honestly. what. the fan girls were so annoying i almost left lmao!! the fandom can be, like you said, rlly toxic & gross so you gotta just find people you like who have the same opinions as you and then just block all the gross blogs. (which is like uhhhh 90% of the blogs tbh). anyways that was a long answer but thank you again!!!
i wanna read a fic where elizabeth and RC team up to murder sebastian without telling ciel. Like they figure out about the contract and just find a way to kill him. i feel like that concept has so much dramatic potential... i wish i could write.
oh fuck that sounds amazing. if I wasn’t writing a 200k fic atm i’d totally write that ???
the kuro fandom has a terrible reputation and honestly.... true....
@ the kuroshitsuji fandom
honestly, the discourse for this fandom isn't nearly worth the trouble.
i mean. it’s all thirty year olds who think they’re geniuses because they googled ‘age of consent in the 1800s’ or thirteen year olds who have 'proud fujioshi’ in their bio & call you a dumb bitch so. you’re right.

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you are really testing my fucking patience but i know you’re gonna get a real kick out of this because you don’t take anything seriously.
TW for pedophilia, cp/csa, ddlg, and rape.
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Black Butler has consumed my entire life and I’m absolutely in love with the manga (my favorite is Ciel) and seeing people romanticizing so many abusive relationships in the fandom really discourages me from continuing a manga I love. Every blog I want to follow posts SebaCiel and it makes me extremely uncomfortable. It’s nice to see a blog actively speaking out against it and blatantly stating the effects that supporting something like that has. Thank you! The only bad thing is your url ;)
oh bless!! to be honest- i'm not really into kuro all that much anymore but the fandom just... the fandom is annoying to no extent. i've noticed there's a lot of good people still left in the fandom though! hopefully you find some good people & are able to avoid the gross ones!