This comment was left on my post on Judd Winick’s Jason:
#i still dunno how i feel about jay showing up in star city to ~recruit mia (for lack of a better word)
by @natasharomanovofficial and I don’t really think he was trying to “recruit” Mia. But it’s a whole thing on its own, so, separate post!
This is going a bit into meta and character analysis, specifically around Green Arrow Vol 3 69-72.
While it’s not uncommon for heroes and villains to have team-ups and appear in each other’s books, aside from the fact that GA was written by Judd Winick at the time and he was one of the few writers at the time who actually liked Jason (why did everyone hate him so much? Just for replacing Dick who had kind of outgrown Robin? Jeez), on the surface, it might be confusing why Jason would bother fucking around in Star City with Brick and Ollie. Especially since, while very world-traveled, he has always been very Gotham-centered. And if he was just, y’know, doing weapons deals with Brick as was what was initially displayed (and apparently a cover) it could have been mentioned in passing in Batman or GA, no need for a whole story.
But while Jason is supposed to get weapons from Brick and teams up with him against Ollie and Bruce, (which I will now show you because it’s fucking hilarious)
the key, his goal, is Mia Dearden.
Now I am admittedly relatively new to my interest in the Arrowfam (and my interest has mostly centered around Roy and Lian with Dinah sprinkled in for flavor), so I am unfortunately no expert on Mia just yet. Doesn’t help that there’s been no hide nor hair of her since the reboot of the New 52. Come on, Rebirth era, bring her back!
However, I am capable of reading wikis lol. Also, context clues.
So, what makes Mia so special that Jason would take a crew and leave home just to talk to her? (which, in the end, is pretty much all he does)
Let’s break down the confrontation!
Jason is a dramatic bitch, but also in general inherently intimidating. He’s a big strong crime lord from Gotham’s worst neighborhood (which says something because it’s fucking Gotham) who has Bat-training, world-wide Talia-approved assassin training, and of course, was beaten and blown up by the Joker, revived through no known means(in-canon, but it was SB Prime because he punched the universe), and tossed into a Lazarus Pit. He’s scary.
But he doesn’t expect Mia will be scared. He knows she’s tough and brave and been through very familiar hell. He’s not locking her down and keeping her helpless either. She’s tied up and knocked out so she is forced to confront him alone, but as soon as she’s conscious, he lets her go and gives her her own weapon. Plus, she has home field advantage–not only is it her city, but her school gym. She’s in a familiar environment while he’s not.
This is partly a test and partly proving the point he’s always trying to prove: sometimes, lethal force is necessary.
He’s not even really trying to hurt her while making his point. When he manages to successfully break her weapon, he gives her his own swords. And he gives him her two blades while he keeps just his one flamberge-type dagger (which is so fucking cool btw why doesn’t he have that anymore? It’s so pretty!). And he takes off his protective helmet. He’s giving her advantage after advantage.
And then we get to his point.
“We’re not so different, you and I.” Really, Jay? That’s incredibly cliche even for you, you over-dramatic crumpet.
Except Jason is a detective by trade and he does his research. He does know about her.
So, obvious parallels out of the way first. Jason and Mia are both abused children forced to live on big city streets, surviving by any means necessary, and eventually being adopted by a wealthy playboy vigilante to escape from another abusive situation. They were also about the same age when they were left on their own. While Jason’s father was arrested or killed before that, he was on his own when Catherine died by the time he was 12. While I have no idea about her mother, Mia ran from her abusive father and was on the streets at age 11.
There’s also the drug history. Mia apparently “shot drugs” (which I honestly am not sure means she was an addict or a seller but either way) while Jason watched his addict mom die, and is now a dealer himself (with an explicit rule against dealing to children).
Another important thing to note: this conversation is part of the reason–well, most of the reason, honestly–that people think Jason might have been a child prostitute.
(one other entirely irrelevant similarity is, apparently, both of them like to read! neat little tidbit there.)
But there’s also a meta-textual similarity here.
Did You Know? Jason Todd was initially intended–sort of–to die from AIDS instead of explodified by Mistah J!
This is only because of Jim Starlin, known Robin-hater and writer for Death in the Family.
“Well, I always thought that the whole idea of a kid side-kick was sheer insanity. So when I started writing Batman, I immediately started lobbying to kill off Robin. At one point DC had this AIDS book they wanted to do. They sent around memos to everybody saying “What character do you think we should, you know, have him get AIDS and do this dramatic thing” and they never ended up doing this project. I kept sending them things saying “Oh, do Robin! Do Robin!” And Denny O’Neill said “We can’t kill Robin off”. Then Denny one night got this flash that “Hey, if we get this number where people call in and they can vote on it, they can decide whether Robin lives or dies.” So that’s how it started. I wrote up two endings and the readers came in and voted and I think it was 93 or something, it was this negliable amount, the difference for him to be put to death. And the death won out of course.”
Okay, first of all, fuck that guy. No “let’s have Jason retire” or “let’s make Jason grow up” or “let’s ship him off to boarding school” or something, just jumping straight to child murder. Coolcoolcoolcoolcool.
But also, here’s what Judd Winick had to say about that idea.
“I think it was a stunning, unbelievable thing. In the time of fears and epidemic, to have had a superhero have it, I was stunned and proud to hear about that. But they were not able to do it. I always forget to ask Denny [O'Neil] about that, about what happened.”
Which, fair. This is what he’d said just before that, when asked, actually, about Mia!
“The way that came about was actually a lot like how I ended up bringing Jason Todd back. […] …when it was my turn, I said ‘I think she should be Speedy, and I think she should test positive, and one should be about the other’. In the face of a potentially shortened lifespan, it wasn’t ‘I’m gonna die real soon’, it was ‘every little bit of it matters, should go towards something’. It was that she could give something, not about when she was gonna die. That was always my point. It made sense.”
So Judd Winick knew about the idea of Jason dying of AIDS when he decided Mia would be positive for HIV, and subsequently writing this Red Hood vs Speedy story.
Now a small science interlude because I too am a huge nerd who must know everything.
In the off chance you don’t know, HIV (human immunodeficiency virus), if not treated, can lead to AIDS (acquired immunodeficiency syndrome). They are, as the name suggests, viruses that attack the immune system of the host, weakening it and causing a whole host of problems.
Jason’s demise and the plotting thereof was in the 1980s. This was early in the epidemic, and there were certain perceptions regarding the disease. HIV and AIDS are transmitted through body fluids mostly. If Jason had got it, technically it could have been something as simple as accidentally getting a positive person’s blood on him in a fight. But the most well-documented means of transmission were injections and sexual contact. Now, there’s also the chance that Jason could have gotten it from a bad transfusion. A story also could have been made of him dealing with drugs, which I find less likely–though possible I suppose–considering his mom. Though he could have gotten it from her while caring for her. So many ways it could have gone. But it’s worth noting, it was especially common among not-straight men, hence the increased stigma against gay men. This is also a big and dumb part of why people have to not have had same-sex sexual contact for months prior to donating blood. I hate this fucking country.
Educational rant and theorizing over lol.
TL;DR for that part, Jason could have been given AIDS which is a metatextual parallel to Mia having HIV that was not purely accidental since the writer knew about the idea.
Getting to Jason’s point.
Jason has her on the ropes. He has her pinned down and immobile. He has her disarmed and his hands on her throat.
He connects with her. They have a common history. He knows first-hand that Bruce could never kill anyone no matter how vile, and Ollie has similar values (if not the same because, well…Ollie has killed people. But y’know.).
In my personal opinion, he sees Mia as potential for how things could have been. Robin is the light to Batman’s dark, but Jason is also the down-to-earth and wordly-aware from a harsh life compared to Bruce’s sheer privilege. Mia has the opportunity to be both for Ollie, and to make the hard choices he can’t.
But Jason doesn’t force her to do anything.
(with a little explosion for flavor because he’s a dramatic bitch like that)
He just wanted to “teach her a lesson”. This was literally an educational venture. He extremely literally took her to school.
He schooled her oh my god I’m just getting that now holy shit.
Jason Todd, you absolute literary nerd, you are the fucking worst and I hate you and I love you.
This, to my knowledge, is the last we hear about it.
But Mia’s still thinking about it. Jason’s words got to her on some level. She knows he’s right about some things–they are very similar, and yeah, maybe some people deserve to die.
But Jason is so frequently used as a cautionary tale–the Robin that screwed up–that she is not going to become him.
But maybe that was also part his plan.
But I guess that’s just a theory.
A Comic Theory thanks for–
