Too real, I see this all the time. Joking about how certain people in prison should be taken care of or molested. Two wrongs doesn’t make a right
this is not argue with you just adding opnions /gen
i wholehearted agree with you except for crimes against children then by all means let them rot not death but rotting in prison, death is too good for them
@fall-ofachilles, this post is about you. If crimes against children receive extra-special punishment, then the State is directly incentivized to find an angle by which to define the people it doesn't like as having committed crimes against children.
Y'know, such as defining Existing While Queer as a sex-crime against children. For an extremely non-hypothetical, entirely real world example.
I find this response unsatisfying.
Op says "A lot of people purport to believe fully in rehabilitation but really only apply it to crimes they consider forgivable."
Fall says "I agree except for class A of crime, which I consider unforgivable."
Frustrated says "But what if they included crimes you consider forgivable in class A?"
And Frustrated is right, people HAVE been including crimes that Fall considers forgivable in class A. But Frustrated still has not addressed the core disagreement that Fall failed to see between itself and op, which is that there should be NO crimes on the "rot in prison" list. Frustrated saying "but what if they put the wrong crimes on the rot in prison list" does nothing to affirm the original post. Frustrated has not challenged Fall's view that certain crimes merit rotting in prison.
I mean a valid reason to be against a kind of punishment is "the state cannot be trusted with the power to do this to people." Some people have different reasons. But they can both be against that kind of punishment together.
sure, but that's not "believing in rehabilitative justice", which is what this post is supposed to be about. Like, there's someone in the reblogs straight up saying "You shouldn't oppose the death penalty because pedophiles don't deserve to be punished, you should oppose the death penalty because it won't be the actual pedophiles who are punished." They don't believe in rehabilitative justice at all, they just don't think pursuing carceral justice is the best course of action right now.
I'm tired of my philosophical opponents thinking they agree with me just because they're my political allies.
I almost agree with this, and everyone here makes great philosophical points and also many factual political observations.
Except I wholly believe that pedophiles do not deserve rehabilitation and absolutely SHOULD be skinned alive. Slowly.
So you're saying:
AKA you do not believe in rehabilitative justice.
Two wrongs doesn't make a right.
Which is why its a good thing noone's arguing that. They're arguing that punishment *is* a right. If you dont attach your values to happiness of living beings/humans, but rather attach your values to the idea of happiness/pain given to people in proportion to how much/little they sacrifice for happiness in humans, as is the idea of deservance, then punishment is not a wrong at all. Seeing as this is a very common foundation for people's fundamental arbitrary values, it is hardly irrational that people would believe in non-rehabilitative justice.
Though, regardless of what you think there, the state certainly cant be trusted with non-rehabilitative justice.
