The showâs vicious political satire defined a decade of comedy, but its last season lacked the same punch.
This is really interesting article about Veep and political satire.
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The showâs vicious political satire defined a decade of comedy, but its last season lacked the same punch.
This is really interesting article about Veep and political satire.

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đongratulations on your đŠđđ«đ§đ Emmy Nomination, Anna Chlumsky!
ANNA CHLUMKY NATION LEMME HEAR YAâLL MAKE SOME MFFFFFFF NOISE!
veep getting a writing nomination for the series finaleâŠ. alright thenâŠ. also going from 17 nominations to 9âŠâŠ yikes

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Why do you think Mandel messed up Dan so badly? All the other characters make some sense.
Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think Mandel just fundamentally misconstrued what made Dan an interesting character to watch.
Because for the first four years Danâs presentation isâŠsneaky. The audience is apt to take him at his word in the first episode - that he is every bit as brilliant as he thinks he is, and likely to become Mikeâs (and Amyâs) boss in the near future - for the chief reason that unlike every other man in the show, he looks like our cultureâs vision of success. (This isnât just about Reid Scottâs looks either - itâs at least as much to do with presentation - Dan is the only man in the show to have properly tailored suits, and suits that flatter him - dress Dan like Jonah and weâd have a very different view of the character).
What made Dan interesting - especially in season three - is that he was actually kind of a deconstruction. Because sure, he looked like a strong-jawed, confident, fast-talking, tall drink of waterâŠbut he was fundamentally a fuck-up.
He seemed like someone who should be successful, and so people (in and out of the show) tended to assume that he was, and listened to him as though he was intelligent - despite the fact that every single one of his schemes invariably blew up in his face (particularly in season 1, when, not coincidentally, heâs at his most arrogant and self-focused).
Thatâs not to say he wasnât smart - because he absolutely was - but he was too erratic and too self-obsessed to make a success of things. It was only when he got over himself a little, and started willingly allowing Amy to lead him, that he became even remotely consistent.
Similarly, Dan might have presented himself as a ruthless womaniser, but going by the first four seasons, itâs fairly clear that he was besotted by Amy from very early on. His emotional attachment to her is sufficiently intense that her dating Ed is a significant factor in his considering leaving Selina in season 2. Now, he may not have known that he was in love with Amy, but I think that was kind of the point - that he was so enamoured with a particular image of himself, that it kept him from seeing his true feelings (which were more than obvious to everyone around him).
Thatâs why Iannucciâs Dan was always most interesting - and entertaining - to watch when he was losing. All of the early Veep characters are archetypal, and Dan was a deconstruction of a very particular type of man who get involves in politics - hence the showâs constant focus on his inherent limitations, as well as his unconscious self-sabotage. The point of Dan the character was to show how that kind of man was fundamentally inadequate for the task at hand - and, to a much lesser extent, show that the natural route out of those inadequacies (down which he would only be dragged kicking and screaming) was collaboration with other people, especially women (this doesnât only mean a romantic connection with Amy by any means, thatâs just the most prominent example).
Whereas, I feel that Mandel saw Dan almost as a fantasy figure. Like, wouldnât it be great to say the things he says, and do the things he does, and still be rewarded with Anna Chlumskyâs eternally loving gaze and endless money and success?
As a result, the presentation of the character becomes completely unbalanced the longer Mandel writes him. Being a satirical show, the audience naturally feels that Danâs actions ought to serve a purpose within the satire. The problem is that because the way heâs presented is so celebratory (even in that awful scene where he introduces Amy to his âgirlfriendâ the way itâs presented has an undertone of âisnât it awesome how terrible he is?â that is incredibly jarring) itâs hard to read it as a critique of anything (depict that scene from Laylaâs perspective, showing her horrified realisation of just who she was dating, and it would have worked - instead of having her brainlessly react to his behaviour as though it was remotely normal - but that would require a woman reacting to Dan in a way that made him seem unattractive, and the show was unwilling to do that).
You end up feeling not that Dan is a critique of entitled privileged white guys, but that the writers wish they had the freedom given to entitled privileged white guys, because it is a fucking delightful way to live.
Thatâs not to say Dan doesnât fail, because he does - he gets fired four times in three seasons - itâs that the show refuses to depict his failures as failures. Thereâs no weight to them - Dan bounces from job to job, and woman to woman, apparently without caring much one way or another. He changes career direction three times between the end of season 5 and the finale, and we get very little rationale for how or why heâs made those changes - it doesnât seem to matter to him, so why should it matter to the show or the audience?
Iâve pointed out several times that it would be very easy - and far more fitting with what had come before - to present his storyline in season 7 as his final act of self-sabotage, that through his narcissism and selfishness he destroys the only relationship he values and his precious career, and ends up with no option except relocating and starting over. Present season 7 as his final descent into something pathetic, and I think it would feel far more in tune with the way Dan had been depicted by Iannucci.
But the writers were so enamoured with Dan âwinningâ that even though the structure of that story is present in season 7, they were almost entirely incapable of delivering. The few hints of depth we get are entirely non-textual, coming largely from Reid Scottâs performance (which I do think slipped a little in season 7 - but given the scripts he had to work with, I really canât blame him).
Moreover, what I donât think the writers ever realised is that their version of Dan is boring. Because he always wins - even when he loses - and because his actions never have consequences that last longer than thirty seconds, it becomes impossible to invest in his story. Whatâs the point when the audience already knows how it will turn out? In that sense, Iâm really not surprised the writers gave him almost nothing to do in the finale - theyâd written themselves into a corner, because it was almost impossible to construct a story for Dan within their self-created limitations that would have a dramatic impact. For instance, a natural endpoint would be to have a scene that illustrated Amy being finally done with him - the problem is that because season 7 Dan doesnât care about Amy, or any woman, or apparently retain knowledge of his sexual partners after theyâve left his field of visionâŠit drains any scene with him and a woman of anything even approaching meaning.
Bear in mind, fantasy figures arenât inherently bad - James Bond is a fantasy figure, Peggy Carter is a fantasy figure, and Iâd argue even Elizabeth Bennet is one (albeit a very nuanced and carefully constructed one - itâs just that transforming Dan from a character who illustrated the fantasyâs inadequacies into a straightforward celebration of them was always going to reduce him to incoherence. I donât care what Mandel claims - I donât see any way season 4 Dan can become season 7 Dan absent a catastrophic head injury. The guy who ran out of his own party because Amy got upset at a mean comment cannot develop into a man who laughs in her face while telling her heâs going to fuck a teenager with the name she wants to give their child.
Season 7 Dan is Roy Moore in a slightly more appealing package - Iannucciâs Dan was visibly and vocally disgusted by sexual predators. The two men canât exist in the same body.
Sex-Psychopath!Dan Is The Product of Bad Writingâąïž. Put it on my gravestone.
Where can you see these scripts?
Hi anon, sorry, I am unable to share that with you at the moment. However, the Emmy website usually posts the scripts for episodes that are up for nomination.Â
They submitted 7x07 for best writing, so keep an eye out for that one. Iâll also share it here once itâs up.
Here are links to all the scripts I could find online. Hope this helps!
1x01, Fundraiser
http://thetelevisionpilot.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Screenplay-Veep-Pilot.pdf
3x07, Special Relationship
https://www.emmys.com/awards/writing-scripts-2014
4x10 Election Night
https://www.emmys.com/sites/default/files/Downloads/VEEP%20-%20Episode%20410%20-%20As%20Broadcast%205.26.15.pdf
6x03, Georgia
6x10 Groundbreaking
https://www.emmys.com/awards/2017/comedy-scripts
âVeepâ has, for most of its run, steered clear of explicit real-world references: Its characters are interviewed by fictional journalists, as opposed by CNN stars dropping by for a cameâŠ
How I feel about seasons 5-7.
Every time I look at your header I get annoyed because Jesus Christ that look Dan gives Amy đ©
I MEAN.
I love everything about that scene, the lighting, the coordination of their outfits, the size of the table, how close theyâre sitting, how she almost looks down at his lips for just a split second, how he looks down and shifts closer to her when he says, âwell, Amy,â his eyebrows when he says âaccess,â how wide her eyes get when she realizes what he asked her, his slow blink when he feigns innocence and asks her âwhat?âÂ
And it drives me crazy knowing that we could have gotten more of this in season 7. Their chemistry is so good. And their kiss would have been amazing đ
I just want someone to look at me the way Dan Egan looks at Amy Brookheimer being sassy

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you ever get mad about all of the comedic gold that was wasted by having amy get an abortionâŠ. likeâŠâŠher having gone into labor during the campaign, probably on the campaign bus, in the middle of nowhere, kent using his doula skillsâŠgary passing out at the sight of bloodâŠ.selina loving that baby more than her actual grandkidâŠ.danâŠ..wearing this baby in one of those carriersâŠ..wasted
We could have gotten Botus (Baby of the United States) and Selina yelling at Dan and Amy to get their baby off her fucking desk.Â
We could of had dan whisper screaming at people because the baby is sleeping. Amy ignoring her water breaking and contractions because theyâre in the middle of a campaign event and Dan forcing her to actually go to the hospital. Everyone in the office making bets on whether the babies first word will be âmamaâ or âdadaâ but it ends up being âfuckâ. Gary making a baby leviathan and giving it to Dan and Amy as a present.
âwhy is there a puddle in the green room?â
âBecause my water broke about ten minutes into the debate. iâm fine though.â
meanwhile dan is like â?!??!?!?!?â
dan is suddenly gary to an infant and everyone thinks itâs oddly endearing and meanwhile amy is the SOFTEST mama and everyone is afraid of her when sheâs around her kid because sheâs a completely different person and is actually relaxed when she has her kid with her
WASTED! POTENTIAL!
Never understood why Dan and Amy slept together after Dan got fired. Dan has been fired multiple times throughout the show and he and Amy have been drunk and commiserated before. What was special about that evening? What pushed them together after years apart?
This is where season 7âs fuckery spills backward in a really irritating way. Because based on everything about Danâs behaviour in the first six seasons - in particular his tendencies to be both calculating and transactional in relationships - I would have said that he slept with Amy because he wanted her back.
As in, seeing Amy with Buddy had been the galvanising event he needed to realise that he liked things better when Amy was his - and the best way to return them to that status quo was sex. Which it did - look how smiley and relaxed Amy is with him all through 6.10 - thereâs an ease in her manner that hadnât been there in a long time. She even went into the pregnancy conversation hoping he might take it well (if the âyouâre ruining thisâ comment is anything to go by) which would indicate that something pretty significant happened between them that night.
I actually find it somewhat plausible that Dan might have tried it on with her at their first âdateâ in 6.05 (for all he was being the most obnoxious man in the universe) if Gary hadnât interrupted.
Bear in mind, the entire structure of his storyline that season - where he considers and rejects connections with Jane and Brie in turn - seems to build to the realisation that Amy is the One for him. He tries out two different work wives, doesnât like them, and tries to slot Amy back into that position in the last episode.
This is why I tend to agree with @safflowerseason that the original plan for the final season was probably to put them together permanently - Danâs entire season 6 storyline is shaped to set him up for that conclusion (itâs one of the only aspects of the storyline that is reasonably well executed - as a satire of broadcast news itâs an utter failure). Thereâs just too much build-up.
The problem of course, is that then season 7 happens. And the writing for Dan (though not the performance - and the gap between the two is a problem) relentlessly drives home the point that Dan has no significant feelings about Amy, forgets who she is when she is not physically in front of him, and only slept with her because he could.
Which begs so many questions - if she was so insignificant to him, why did it take so long? If sabotaging his relationship with Amy meant absolutely nothing to him, why didnât he make a move at any time between 4.04 and 5.02? He knew she was interested, he was attracted to her, and season 7 depicts him as entirely driven by sex - so what would motivate him not to pursue it with her? If he didnât value his relationship with her, what was holding him back? Dan in season 7 holding back from sex because of an intellectual or political calculation seems pretty damn unlikely, especially as he was dumb enough to sleep with Selina. (If theyâd given Dan a moment where he actively decided that he wasnât going to try to sustain a relationship with Amy, sometime after 7.03, because he knew he wasnât willing to change enough to stop hurting her, but he also didnât want to keep hurting her, it would hang together an awful lot better).
Basically, the writing of Dan in season 7 is so bad it bleeds back into the earlier seasons and makes utter nonsense of his decisions - because all his earlier decisions only made sense if they were driven by feelings for Amy and a calculating approach to relationships that season 7 says never existed. (I can live with the callousness, but I hate that they made him so unforgivably stupid).
Amyâs side of things holds up a lot better, I think. Sheâd always been attracted to Dan, she was feeling low because of the risk of going to prison, she was almost certainly extremely lonelyâŠand for once in his life Dan made things easy for her by making the first move, instead of forcing her to do it. (I know thatâs not canon, but we all know thatâs how it played out). And Dan, having been fired, was probably slightly chastened, and therefore easier to tolerate than earlier in the season when he was riding high on his CBS success.
I read that Anna Chlumsky didnât think that Amy would be a good mom. If they never took the break and went straight into the last season, do you think Amy and Dan would have had the baby?
WellâŠI would tend to agree - at least regarding Amy as she exists in 7.04-7.07. Because her reaction to the abortion is to become entirely self-focused, driven to achieve professional success ahead of everything else.
Which, incidentally, is just another way in which the framing of the abortion is retrograde as hell - everything about how they depict it is negative - how they handled the abortion and the Michelle storyline are probably the two aspects of the season that piss me off the most. Having an abortion does not make a woman heartless - though perhaps being aggressively bullied into one by the man you love does (which would be fine if the show has acknowledged thatâs what theyâd depicted, but that would get in the way of Amy being âempoweredâ soâŠ)
In any case, Amy in the mindset of âdamn America, damn democracy, damn literally everyone who gets in my wayâ almost certainly wouldnât be a good parent, so I tend to agree with Anna Chlumsky there.
However, because her transformation is effectively an act of despair - everyone she ever cared about has abused and mistreated her (again, thatâs what the show depicts, even if it never acknowledges as much) - Iâm not sure itâs fair to say she could never be a parent on that basis.
Amyâs base character is a very loyal one. It took a phenomenal amount of abuse for her to step away from Selina and start prioritising herself over everything else. Sheâs not naturally a selfish person (unlike Dan, whose instinctive reactions to things are always selfish). Lots of people go through periods where they wouldnât be a good parent - it doesnât mean they wonât ever be one, just not at that point in time.
I tend to think that the original plan was to use the pregnancy to bring Dan and Amy together - though there are certainly ways to do that that would have involved an abortion (and in many ways, I think that would have been the boldest choice). Thereâs too much set up for it in season six - especially when you consider the amount of time they devote to establishing Danâs infertility. The whole of 6.10 feels like a set-up for their story finally kicking into high gear.
Thereâs a reason why David Mandel keeps being asked about it in interviews, and itâs because the way the story played out feels unnatural. We all have a natural instinct for how stories are shaped, and part of it is the sense that actions build to something. As in, itâs never, ever going to feel right to resolve six years of build-up with a couple of cheap jokes. Remember, the pregnancy is the season 6 cliffhanger - for them to come back and effectively pretend it was never a cliff, just a mild incline, how could anyone be excited for thatâŠwell it seems pretty damn disingenuous to me.
I have no idea if youâre still accepting questions but I have to ask you this one. Why do you believe Mandel likes to write off Dan/Amy fans as just âdelusional little shippersâ, I have my theories as to why but Iâm curious if you have any thoughts or opinions on this, is love to hear them!
I always accept questions!
All things being equal, I try to assume good faith, in which case Mandel consistently writes off the possibility of Dan and Amy having a real relationship because he thinks it was always impossible.
It does however strike me that itâs a rather useful rhetorical strategy for him - it immediately places the person asking a question about âwhy didnât the relationship happenâ in a defensive position.
It seems basically misguided to me, in that I think most people who liked Dan and Amy together had hit a point of never wanting Dan to be in her presence again after 7.02-7.03 (I certainly did - I thought it was still possible the writers would put them together, with the way they kept teasing it, but it wasnât something I wanted. Dan bullying Amy into an abortion was always my red line).
The people who were asking about âwhy they never happenedâ after the finale werenât shippers - the shippers had pretty much given up in disgust at that point - they were more casual fans of the show who had the not unreasonable expectation that the writers would do something meaningful with their longest running character plot, instead of using it for cheap jokes.
Bear in mindâŠDan and Amy never even kissed. They never had a moment where either of them expressed their true feelings. But the chemistry between the two actors and the narrative hook of the pregnancy (Amy literally says âIâve been waiting a long time for us to get togetherâ in 6.10 ffs) meant literally everyone - including sophisticated critics with years of experience - expected a resolution to their story.
Which they didnât get. So, for Mandel to position everyone who even poses the question as being âshippersâ is to wildly misrepresent his audience, I think. And itâs certainly convenient for him.
Never forget, there were absolutely ways of splitting them up that would have felt rooted in the characters and would have satisfied the audience - I can think of a half a dozen off the top of my head.
For instance, I donât love that Selina ended up alone and forgotten, because I always rooted for her, in spite of everything. But Iâm also not angry at it as an ending, because realistically, within the story they created, it feels like the right ending.
The problem with how they went about it is that resolving Danâs story (in particular) by saying he doesnât care about Amy, never did, and will go out of his way to hurt her because he canâŠthat canât ever feel like the right ending, because itâs not true to the character as he existed up until 7.01.
Iâll also always argue that it takes a remarkably simplistic view of human nature to present Dan and Amyâs relationship as a straightforward dichotomy between settling down with all the trappings of traditional settled heterosexuality and Dan becoming so brain-numbed by his sluttishness that they donât speak for more than twenty years. Presenting an abortion as part of a loving, supportive relationship would have been far more artistically courageous and also far more âshockingâ in the current culture.
I will never get over their attempts to say Amy being bullied into an abortion by her family, partner and employer was an âempoweringâ choice for her. As a general rule, if you have to say something is empowering, it almost certainly isnât.
Iâm on the same train of thought as you are, Maev.
I know for me personally, had they set up the ending of the show the way they believed they did then maybe, just maybe I wouldnât have been so angry with this season. For me, one of my biggest issues within the past few seasons as a whole has been the complete erasure of what makes the characters themselves.
Sure, Dan was a dick (thatâs a given) but, at least he was a smart dick-the moves he made were always strategic and stepping stones to get him to where he needs to go, and part of the fun in watching that was inevitably seeing him fail. He slept with Sophie in S5 because he believed she could get him a job, strategic move. He dated his bossâs daughter in S1 for god knows what reason but, knowing him itâs easy to assume itâs strategic. But flashforward to him in S7 sleeping with the woman who performed an abortion on Amy, someone who at one point I know he would consider a friend, for no reason or justification whatsoever is bullshit to me.Â
Now, had the show done what we all wouldâve preferred and ended 7x03 with Amy actually being content with the abortion and giving Dan the verbal smackdown he so rightfully deserves then promptly leaving him for good, I really do believe everyone wouldâve been fine with it. I know for me at least, with the way Danâs been treating Amy for the past few seasons, I wouldnât have wanted him to end up with her because quite frankly, he didnât deserve it and under the penmanship of Mandel, it wouldâve never happened.Â
I think the problem people in the fandom are having with Mandel is the fact that heâs taking every chance he gets to prove himself correct with how the show played out. In the recent THR roundtable, within the first few seconds of being asked a simple question, he went out of his way to stake his claim that thereâs no way in hell Dan and Amy wouldâve ended up together and it was entertaining using that as a carrot with an audience because they knew from the get-go, theyâd never end up together. For me, as a fan of a show, I can understand people finding offense to that because not only are you belittling a good 73% of your audience (letâs be real here) but youâre also making yourself a dominant force over everybody that watches the show and making it seem as if your opinion is the only one that matters.Â
As youâve mentioned earlier, the writers were given a difficult task of trying to Trump Trump this season and I really do sympathize with them because that in itself is an impossible feat but by god, did they have to erase everything from the characters weâve grown to love?
(Not to mention the fact Mandel blocked me on Twitter when I quoted his completely inappropriate rape joke tweet with saying âThatâs not funnyâ)

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What the hell is a legitimate hole?Â
Well, donât get me started.
Kevin: Well look, itâs George Looney.
Julia: Look.
Gary: Donât hug me, dont hug me, man.
Julia: Dan has come back from London from having his nervous breakdown. And this episode was shot after our Christmas break, so Reid had time to grow a beard.
Kevin: He had three days.
Julia: He had three days.
Kevin: Yeah, he had to grow it in three days.
Julia: Thatâs right we had off the 24th, the 25th and 26th.
Matt: There was talk of him getting really fat.
Kevin: Yeah.
Matt: But it didnât happen.
Kevin: Gaining 30 pounds or something. For that one bedroom scene or- in-in the hospital and he was like, no, I donât think so.
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