So I wanted to know/ask your opinion. I know there’s this theory about saburo being an actual Kirisaki sibling but I’m not sure what proof/evidence supports this. As far as I know there is only the intense reaction to saburos name that jiro had but that could be more related to any mention of siblings (especially since zenji refuses to acknowledge his own presence in front of jiro). Do you think that there was a third kirisaki sibling?
Thanks for reading!
-Anon
There's like a 99% chance Saburo was an actual youngest Kirisaki yes. Off the top of my head:
Zenji saying he had to bring back the doll because it looks like his brother while the doll lacks Jiro's curly hair(season 1 episode 5), which we know Jiro had even as a child (season 2 episode 4)
Jiro's response to seeing the ghost boy crying in pain, and Zenji's response to immediately remove the ghost boy, which allowed Jiro to recover (season 1 episode 9)
Zenji saying that "you've always been there when he needed it most" after Jiro pointed out that Saburo had protected him(season 1 episode 9)
Zenji's response to MC coming up with the name 'Saburo'(which means Third Brother, to Taro's First Brother and Jiro's Second Brother), (season 1 episode 18) and that Zenji "comes up with" the same name in Season 2 before MC feels the need to name Saburo, despite having given himself a rather bombastic penname(season 2 episode 4)
Jiro specifically saying he doesn't have any brothers, plural, when having an attack(season 1 episode 24)
I assume Saburo died pretty early, and he was likely in pain given Jiro's reaction to the ghost boy. Jiro says he can't remember why/when he started studying anomalous medicine, which leads me to suspect he stumbled into knowledge of it while looking for a way to cure whatever was ailing Saburo. I can't help but wonder if maybe Zenji somehow caused Saburo to die or fall ill and that's why Jiro resents him so much.
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I recently re-did the house quiz from the prologue so I can see what Hyde has to say about every house, so here are screenshots in case anyone is curious!
Guys, listen it’s a small detail but I need to talk about it.
In the episode 23, MC recalls this flashback of Kaito from the episode 20.
But she remembered a different version of Kaito: HE WEARS A HAT. Yes, I know it might be dumb because it’s just a fckng hat but the thing is: From the very first chapter of the boat arc, neither Lucas nor Kaito wore a single hat! (Tohma and Jin too).
Why would the developers add this tiny detail? It's the same scene, so the picture should be the same! I want to believe they just wanted to add Kaito a hat for fun but I know that the developers always have something in mind. I mean, they actually took the time to add the hat, which means it wasn't a mistake, right? Maybe it was on purpose…. Or maybe not. (I’m going crazy for a tiny detail, imagine I’m just being delusional but we never know)
So, perhaps it’s a hint about the Time Loop/Parallel Universe Theory? Does this hat-wearing Kaito belong to an alternate memory? The Kaito with the hat could be Kaito from a slightly different timeline.
Listen, I would like to believe that there are no mistakes in this scene and I’m just being crazy but it might be a theory that MC remembers a different memory of Kaito compared to the scene we saw.
Also the prologue of the episode 23: MC had a nightmare about k1lling Lucas and transformed into the Kyklos. I was thinking….. IF this nightmare is actually A MEMORY OF A DIFFERENT TIMELINE? I know I might be insane because maybe it’s really JUST a nightmare but…. I mean, MC never dreamed of this kind of thing, right?
Besides, I remember from the B’s LOG where the developers said: "Please take in every detail carefully" and I wonder if the things I pointed out were part of their details.
Anyway, I just wanted to express my thoughts on the new episode. You don’t need to take this seriously because I’m not psychic 😭 I’m just theorizing. I would like to know what you all think about this. (And I want to know if I’m the only one who is delusional af lmao)
Out of all the characters, they chose to kill the best one.
The first character I've ever loved in tokyo debunker was KAITO, FIGHT ME KAITO HATERS, Yall like Jin but hate Kaito???
Jin treats MC like a slave and only has small moments where he acts nice but he mostly shouts bursts all his anger everywhere, Leo acts like an ass to MC and only has small moments where he's nice... yall ignore their red flags and call Kaito annoying cuz he's a simp. At least he treats MC better than them, AND HES VERY FUNNY, omg :P
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Tokyo Debunker really cares about names and meanings. In fact, each house has a certain theme when it comes to names (e.g Hotarubi and the imperial regalia of Japan) of course it’s also related to their designs/appearance.
I decided to share this so you could speculate their roles and designs.
DISCLAIMER: I’m not a professional. I have knowledge but I welcome any corrections.
Dionysia
Theme: fantasy, magic and theater?
Elias Pratt
Elias is a form of Elijah used in several languages. This is also the form used in the Greek New Testament, as well as some English translations. It’s from the Hebrew name אֱלִיָּהוּ (ʾEliyyahu) meaning "my God is Yahweh". Elijah was a Hebrew prophet and miracle worker, as told in the two Books of Kings in the Old Testament.
Pratt is from Old English prætt meaning "trick, prank". This was a nickname for a trickster.
We’ve met him but he hasn’t gotten a proper introduction yet. He might be added later, who knows?
Shion Genkai
Shion (シオン) is just katakana for Zion, but Shion (紫苑) means "aster" (a purple flower that symbolizes memory, eternal love, and mourning). It can also come from (詩) meaning "poem" and (音) meaning "sound". Mermaids/sirens are known to have beautiful voices.
Genkai (幻海) is a Japanese boy’s name. 幻 (gen) means "illusion, phantom, vision" and 海 (kai) means "ocean, sea".
I’m really curious why Shion is in katakana… but there’s another character like this.
Mio Susuhara
Mio (未桜) is from Japanese 未 (mi) meaning "not yet, future" combined with 桜 (ō) meaning "cherry blossom". I’ve always seen 桜 used in names for characters associated with the sakura in design. “Not yet a cherry blossom” → “The cherry blossom that has not yet bloomed.”
Susuhara (煤原) 煤 (susu) means "soot, coal dust." 原 (hara) is a very common surname suffix meaning "origin, source, foundation." Maybe the full meaning is “Source of Ash” or “Soot Field.”
Jo Kongoza
Jo (丈) means "height", "length" or "man", used as a masculine suffix in given names for a strong or noble tone.
Kongoza (金剛座) 金剛 (Kongō) is literally "vajra" or "diamond/indestructible." In Buddhist context, it symbolizes strength and resilience. 座 (Za) can mean “seat,” “place,” or “theater troupe.” Often evokes an elevated or ceremonial position. So, 金剛座 literally means “The Diamond (Vajra) Seat”. The sacred spot of enlightenment, unshakable and pure, under the Bodhi tree where the Buddha attained enlightenment.
Clementia
This is pure speculation. I’m not sure if these characters are in Clementia, nothing is confirmed.
Theme: spirituality?
Shiki
Shiki is also written in katakana (シキ) which can be associated with multiple kanji and meanings depending on context.
四季 = four seasons
死鬼 = death spirit / demon
識 = knowledge / awareness
Writing entirely in katakana gives an edgy, modern, or ambiguous impression..
Yamato
Yamato (倭刀) is Literally “Japanese sword.” 倭 is an ancient name for Japan, 刀 is “sword, blade.” The name evokes strong, nationalistic, or heroic imagery. The reading Yamato for 倭 is classical, “刀” is often left unpronounced in a stylized name.
EP23 spoiler: Haku doesn’t use the honorific “-san” when referring to Yamato. It could mean he’s just younger than him (since Haku doesn’t use honorifics for the 1st and 2nd years) or they could be very close… or even related. Apparently they have the same home. Maybe brothers or cousins? Haku’s last name, Kusanagi, refers to the legendary sword Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi.
Inamori
I have a speculation that this could be Yamato’s last name…
Inamori (稲荷社) is a little complicated. Usually it’s not pronounced Inamori. If read “いなりしゃ / Inari-sha” it literally means "Inari-shrine."
But names (personal or place names) in Japanese can use special “name-only” readings (nanori), and 稲荷社 can also be read “Inamori” in that context, even though the standard reading is “Inari-sha.”
Inari (稲荷) Refers to Inari, the Shintō kami (deity) of rice, agriculture, fertility, prosperity, and later commerce. Sha (社) means "shrine" or "shrine building." So, 稲荷社 = a shrine dedicated to the Inari deity.
Ina (稲) literally means "rice plant", na (荷) "cargo/load" (In the context of Inari, it is part of the compound “Inari” (稲荷) while for names, it can retain the na reading). Mori (社) still means "shrine" or "company". In surnames, 社 can sometimes be read mori, especially in combination with other kanji, following historical/nanori patterns.
This name carries a religious/cultural nuance, suggesting a family tied to an Inari shrine.
Inari is primarily associated with the fox spirits (kitsune) as messengers.
Haku has been associated with the tanuki..
Ultio
Theme: not sure yet…
Enzo
Enzo (淵造) en 淵 means “deep pool,” “abyss,” or “deep water.” Often connotes depth, mystery, or solemnity. 造 (zō) means “create,” “build,” or “craft.” Frequently used in male given names.
And that’s everything so far. If anyone can correct or help, I’d appreciate it. Have fun with theories.
I will pray for you (or give you cookies). Thank you for sharing! May I also humbly ask you whatever info we have or in which contexts were the mentioned these characters we have not been introduced to yet? Thank you ❤️
